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I would pay ten cents to see this, much less 10 dollars. Those of you who aren’t disturned by the bias of these carpet-bagger Michael Moore-wannabes, enjoy the “cathartic experience” and the “shared comprehension”. If they put it up free, I’ll watch it.

I still suspect this is a nefarious plot by those two to start producing Spanish-themed porn.

“It’s like seeing the world in color for the first time!”

Okay. When he says something like that in earnest seriousness, so proud of his won work akin to a 5-year olds pride in his crayon drawing, are more of you out there likely to throw up? or to chuckle?

Upcoming Byler/Park productions :

“Charlie Deane : A Man For All Ages”

“The Rise and Fall of the Rule of Law Resolution”

“9500 Liberty Part 2 : Free Rivera”

“Corey Stewart and Me”

“Look at Me Mom, I’m a Filmmaker”

M-H thank you for posting this. I can’t be there Friday. I hope the discussion afterward is productive.

Glad to see Carlos quoted — Leadership Prince William, Class of 2010!

Cindy, you will be missed.

Rick, I have an email from Eric offering to comp your ticket if you will introduce yourself.

Bad me. I ad libbed something and didn’t get it right. Sorry.

He is serious. I am your witness. Free ticket for Rick.

Ok, more news in from Eric. There will be a comp list for REGULARS from antibvbl.net. Email me at moon.howler07@yahoo.com if you want to be on the comp list.

I will check that email up until 3 pm tomorrow afternoon.

Free tickets for skeptics? Can I have one as well?

See above. Email me please.

Reconciliation. Well, at least that word gave me a good chuckle.

Slowpoke, will you be there? There is a ticket with your name on it, all comped.

I’m afraid my Friday evenings are sacrosanct. I would enjoy meeting some folks, though!

Sorry you won’t be there. That is how my Sat evenings are. I will speak for myself. I would enjoy meeting you, although I expect you might walk in as Battle Cat.

I’m very sorry to say I won’t be there. Of course I was at the private local screening when Eric had the cops called on him while taping in WestGate.

Lafayette,
Did you think the movie was fair? I keep hearing from people like Rick et al that it panders completely to one side. It would be helpful to hear your opinion.

Slow,
I guess we won’t meet in person yet then. I am hoping to make it there tomorrow night also.

Lafayette,
I’ve not spoke publicallly regarding the film. The best way I can put it is it’s an unbiased as it can be with one side refusing to participate. I was asked to be interviewed numerous times by Eric and/or Anabel before May of 2008. It was not until after the attack on Chief Deane’s meetings that I was willing to sit down with them. I really wish I’d taken them on one of my infamous “field trips” from the beginning.

I will say I certainly do NOT feel that my thoughts were edited to suit the needs of Eric/Anabel. There’s one thing that I think I’ve been consistantly clear on, and that is that my stance on illegal immigration has not changed one bit.

My goodness…I was responding to Elena and not myself.

I’m sorry Slow won’t be there too.

Rick,
I really think you should take Eric up on the offer a ticket. You really should this with your own two eyes. Heck, we could pair up to get those “volunteers” we were talking about on another thread.
All jokes aside..you really should consider going and judge for yourself.

Moon-howler :
Sorry you won’t be there. That is how my Sat evenings are. I will speak for myself. I would enjoy meeting you, although I expect you might walk in as Battle Cat.

Well, it was him or He-Man!

I have a ticket waiting for me under Larry Bernard Hawkings.

People may reserve tickets under anonymous names if they want.

For example, if Slowpoke wanted to come as He-man instead of slowpoke, that would be fine. Just email me moon.howler07@yahoo.com and say 1 ticket for He-Man. I will let Eric know.

“I really think you should take Eric up on the offer a ticket. You really should this with your own two eyes. ”

Maybe. Then I could criticize it in more depth.

Let me know, Rick. He made the offer.

I appreciate that offer, but I wouldn’t take a free ticket after blasting him repeatedly. If I can get free tonight I’ll pay and reserve my impartiality.

Rick, maybe someone will make a bootleg copy tonight and post it for you to see.

I hope you will make it, Rick. And I respect your integrity on the blasting part.

And, you might find the film is fairer than you had imagined. Never can tell. You know how I feel about that freaking ‘wall’ and I felt 2 sides were shown…or at least the footage I saw last summer.

Of course there are somethings Rick would blast, but nothings perfect. However, I agree with Madam Moon you might be surprised, Rick. I would love to hear Rick’s own opinion.

I’ll be there! This will be a great day for Prince William County as we try to heal our wounds from the past two years’ pointless immigration debate. I wonder if Greg Letiecq will be there. He should come if he isn’t a coward.

Starry, I seriously doubt Mr. L will be there. BTW he is NO coward. You may disagree with him, but a coward he is NOT. Didn’t we have this discussion last week with someone? Not saying it was you starry,but I don’t remember who said “coward”.

Starry, we consider you a regular. Email me at moon.howler07@yahoo.com if you want a comp ticket. You may do it anonymously. Make up a name for me to give Eric. It will be yours.

I have just received word that the comp list will be kept by a church volunteer who will have no interest in anyone’s identity. People who have emailed me need to just give the name discussed. Blog identities will be protected.

So, if you are Slowpoke Rodriguez and have given me the name He-Man, then tell the volunteer you have a comp ticket for He-man.

Thanks Slow, for the use of your name. You are always a good sport so I figured you would not mind, since Friday nights are sacrosanct to you and we are not expecting He-man to be attending.

Please note, I had email wrong ( dot net)

yahoo is a dot com.

correct address: moon.howler07@yahoo.com

If you have my real email, feel free to use that. I just don’t want to post something coming to my house on the blog.

I’d love to come, but I’m in FX county and have to leave for Richmond at 6am on Sat to teach at VCU.

It’d be pushing my energy to the brink.

If there is ever a showing in Herndon, and we NEED IT!!! count me in.

Otherwise I wish for the best…

-R

Does Eric have your address, Rod?

If not, you can leave it at my email and I will pass it on to him. I never assume the ones people leave for us are real.

I’m on Eric’s e-mail list…I shot some b-roll material for L-9500 in 2007 during the last Herndon Election, but I don’t believe it made the cut as Herndon is just too complex a subject to interject into an already complex issue.

I really wanted to work with E and A on the production, but my day job and side obligations consume most of my time and energy.

Even finding a spare minute between crisis’ to spirt out a thought or two on this blog is not easy.

Herndon does seem unique. Sorry you can’t make it to the Woodbridge showing. I avoid Woodbridge at almost all costs. I worked there for over a decade. Just the drive over ……shudder.

Safe trip to Richmond, Rod.

If the church person reads this blog, then he or she will be the only person in the county who knows our identities! How exciting. I think I will change my nom de plume to Greg Letiecq and see how I’m recieved in that case.

@Starryflights
Starry, the Spanish speakers of the county are about to find out the bogus and frankly racist propaganda that Letiecq has been spreading about them over the years. People like to refer to opponents they despise as cowards. Terrorists, for instance are always called cowards by the government they are resisting. Fine by me.

My take is that Letiecq has shown he is not afraid of confrontation in the past, and thus coward is one word I would not chose to taunt him with. If he were to take a pass on the free tickets invitation tonight, I’d think no less of him, not because he would fear confrontation, but he might be just a little ashamed of what he’s done all in the name of politics.

@LastBestHope
You should come if you can. I’ve seen an advance screening and its very good. But be warned… if you are who I think you are, then you’re in the movie yourself.

LBH, with your luck, you would be right behind the real Mr. Letiecq in line. Snicker.

LBH, have you emailed me yet to get on the list? You are considered a regular, for sure.

@Last Best Hope
LBH, the problem is, GL HAS no shame and neither do his cohorts. They are proud of what they have done and continue to do. However, we, as a majority of thinking people, can be proud knowing extremism and hatred are not what we want PWC to be known for.

Pinko I agree with you generally speaking but LBH has a point that name calling adds nothing at this point.

I would like to think that Mr. Letiecq is capable of shame and remorse. If so, I’m sure that one day he will regret that Help Save Manassas is all he is remembered for. If it were me, I would be grief-stricken. I feel sorry for him, and this is not intended as an insult. What a tragic legacy.

However, let’s not forget the County Chairman who enabled Mr. Letiecq to serve essentially as Co-Chairman-at-Large. Men like Mr. Letiecq are not rare. Men like Mr. Stewart, thankfully, are rare. What of Corey Stewart’s ability to feel shame or remorse? I have seen some signs, but there are those who say he would sing the same song again if he could just get that spotlight to go on again.

Finally, I will be there as myself and I will not be needing a free ticket. It really marvels me that to this day we are afraid, most of us, to say who we are. What does that say about this county? Also, it saddens me that there are people whose sense of self is so tied up in their loyalty and adoration for Letiecq and Stewart, that they cling to fictions that have years since been disproven. Naturally, they are angry about the fact that this frightening chapter in our county’s history was recorded on film. I would guess it is for the same reason and that they are so angry at the founders of this blog. With their whole identity tied up in Stewart and Letiecq’s fiction, a second blog springing up to challenge that fiction is an unbearable thing.

I see their comments on this blog every time I check in here. Two years later and they won’t let go of that anger, just because someone decided that it would be okay for two blogs to comment on county affairs instead of one.
This saddens me even more than the legacy of Letiecq and Stewart. At least they had some agency in choosing their fate. I get the feeling their most devoted followers, the ones who still cling to their twin kings almost two years after their great fall, are under some psychological compulsion that we in the world of reality may never comprehend.

Unfortunately Mapquest screwed me up big time tonight. I had intended to go and to subsequently write a small review, but armed only with scribbled directions that lead to nowhere, I couldn’t find the Church.

So I’ll have to just confine myself to critique of the film’s online synopsis :

“9500 Liberty reveals the startling vulnerability of a local government, targeted by national anti-immigration networks using the Internet to frighten and intimidate lawmakers and citizens.”

THAT is complete hooey, the people that I know were fearful of what they saw around them, not anything that some activist dreamed up. I guess FAIR is also responsible for the empirical evidence that residents are more satisfied with the County since the resolution’s passage.

“Alarmed by a climate of fear and racial division, residents form a resistance using YouTube videos and virtual townhalls, setting up a real-life showdown in the seat of county government.”

There are a heck of a lot of residents who have never heard of either board, but have strong opinions on these issues. And hence the 9-0 vote favoring the resolution. The real battleground is the ballot box.

“The devastating social and economic impact of the “Immigration Resolution” is felt in the lives of real people in homes and in local businesses.”

Was there no social and economic impact to all the unchecked illegal immigration? Am I just imagining that we went far into the red financially even when we were pulling in tax money at an unprecedented rate? Am I just imagining the “white flight” for want of an updated term that I saw happen all around me, people who had lived here for decades leaving in disgust?

Do the filmmakers really think that without Corey Stewart and Greg Leticq that we would all be living in some type of peaceful coexistence with middle-class Americans embracing the undocumented? From what I saw, from the way I know myself and other people feel, and the things I heard people (not-activists, non-HSM members) say I think it more likely that bad feelings would have erupted into real violence.

The filmmakers, from this synopsis, are chasing ghosts. Greg Leticq is hardly going to take over the world, or the County.

FAIR has practically no impact on the political beliefs, or voting patterns, of County residents. Directly or indirectly.

John Stirrup and Corey Stewart are up-front and honest about what they believe and are trying to do. There is no hidden agenda. Did Stewart think he could ride the issue high and hard? I don’t know. Maybe. I know that if he hadn’t embraced it he would probably have been out on his ear.

The real villian is not any of the above. It’s the average middle-class County resident who resents illegal immigrants, doesn’t want to live next to them in bunches, and doesn’t want undocumented people all over their neighborhood. Whether these people (I’m one) are entirely rational, or entirely irrational, they should be the topic of discussion. The reality, though it may be painful to some, is that unless you change the average American’s mind there will be no cross-cultural embrace of the undocumented, and at every level of politics Amnesty will continue to be a non-starter and Americans will continue to be very unhappy when anything happens to them like what happened here in PWC.

The elites have given it their BEST SHOT and failed. Hence Lindsay Graham’s tears. It ain’t happening. Eventually this gridlock will break, and the will of the American people is eventually going to be done.

Rick,
It’s too bad you didn’t find the church.

The map on mapquest was fairly screwed up. G Street was shown on the wrong side of the street.

Rick, I really wish you had seen the film. You are right about people’s fears and their neighborhoods changing. However, you cannot disregard the political implications that were driving much of what happened in this county. An election had to be won and some folks found a way to do it.

Hmmmm. A lot to process from last night and I am still processing. It was a long night because the film was followed by a panel with many of the main players and very lengthy comments from audience members, some of which never got around to a question.

The film caught me off guard in that a lot of incidents I expected to be shown were not shown, and it was filled with surprising incidents I had no idea had occurred.

Billed as a film that “makes Corey Stewart look like an idiot” (this was the big quote in a MJM article from someone who got a sneak preview), the film revealed nothing I did not already know about him, while omitting many of the things he did to make himself look, if not idiotic, at least unhinged. There was nothing about Stewart instantaneously forwarding internal BOCS emails to Greg Letiecq so that the Letiecq Internet Frenzy machine could be used to bully the Board into firing Chief Deane. That was Stewart’s lowest moment and a glaring omission from the film.

Stewart’s second lowest moment, or most brilliant depending on your agenda, was using county funds to send out a political post card during his “fighting illegal immigration” reelection campaign setting up the circus act BOCS meeting in Oct. 2007. While this is 10 times more predictable, it was also 10 times more infamous and more discussed at the time. I was looking forward to seeing Maureen Caddigan’s brilliant move to hold the Chairman’s feet to the fire when he tried to limit the very people he invited to participate to only one minute at the podium. I believe Stewart lost the vote 6 to 2, and the result was 12 hours of Citizens’ Time to delay a vote that was already decided before they showed up. But this was skipped as well.

Other low points I expected to see from Corey included his laughable performance in the Channel 7 debate where a simple question from Sharon Pandak got so hot under the collar that he turned red in the face and broke into a boxer’s sweat. I also expected to see Stewart saying “over my dead body” in response to a Post reporter’s question about whether probable cause was going bye-bye, which it did of course the very next week. Basically Stewart is not in the film other than Board meetings, and I’m not sure this alone makes him look like an idiot.

I sound as if I am complaining but really I am only expressing surprise. More after coffee…

Okay, enough about what is not in the film. What is in the film, right?

Well, as expected there is quite a bit of time spent at 9500 Liberty Street in Manassas, and no it is never explained that Manassas is a separate locality. There were a lot of pretty shots of immigrants having picnics while painting new messages on the wall and being shouted at to “Go home!” or “Speak English!” as people drive by. The film explains the way the wall reflected the mood of the community, or at least its owner, over the course of the year. But for the most part the scenes just gave us a breather from BOCS meetings and talking heads.

For those who thought they knew everything there is to know about this politics involved, as I did, I recommend most of all the second half of this film. I would need to do some of my own research before giving my reaction, but the film does in fact document the assertions made in the synopsis (ATTN: Rick Bentley). For instance, the influence of K Street lobbyists on our county government is established by a K Street lobbyist, who takes credit for the whole fiasco with a smirk on his face during a Civil Rights Commission hearing. The social impact is obvious throughout, but the economic impact is not sufficiently established in my view. How are we to know how much of our local recession was just a precursor to the national recession? I would have liked to see more statistical analysis comparing PWC to neighboring counties. There was one graph where the comparison was startling.

In any case, the last half details in intimate fashion the movement to defeat the probable cause lunacy in 2008. This is more valuable than the 2007 portion which covers territory that was accurately covered by the media. What happened on 2008 was not accurately documented by the media, so this film will be the only reliable historical record. I was pleased to see that the true Conservatives, both on the Board and in the public, got their due for spearheading the effort to end the short-lived era of probable cause. Marty Nohe in particular comes off well in the film, and he represented himself well in the panel afterward despite the mostly Democrat crowd who did not begin to grasp that all the things they cheered for in the second half of the film would not have happened without four Republicans on the Board standing up to the unhinged mania pressuring them from the far right.

In some ways, the movement to repeal the policy was inspired by Stewart and Letiecq’s disastrous plot to turn the county against Chief Deane. (Chief Deane was there and his conduct was exemplary even in the face of partisanship and dubious claims of racial profiling from he audience) But the real story as I see it is that the behind-the-scenes machinations to gut the resolution were underway almost as soon as the 2007 election was over, and the attack on Chief Deane was an act of desperation to head it off at the pass. It’s always been clear to me that the Supervisors and the citizens prefer Chief Deane’s leadership to Corey Stewart and Greg Letiecq’s. When, in the film, this becomes clear to the Board, the policy is gutted and the story ends on an uplifting note. Uplifting, that is, for everyone except the three not-so-foolish “fools,” and for Sen. John McCain, who, “did not deserve what he got,” as is explained by former Senator Mel Martinez, recently mentioned in the watershed Gerson column.

The film is useful, and will have an impact beyond this county because it underscores what Gerson wrote about the raging whites only culture war that has infected the Republican party (see previous thread). Culture war politics not only leads to bad policy in the short term, it will be political suicide in the long term. The only advantage is short term political opportunism, which, as we all have seen, is simply not worth the cost.

Witness Too,
You bring up an excellent point in the fact the film did not address the fact that the Senor F’s sign was in the City of Manassas. This is a very important fact that should’ve been included. The City of Manassas has it’s own governing board. The sign critisized a policy in Prince William County. This just really makes for an undeserving black eye on the City of Manassas.

I made up my mind last night that I would try to view the film as if I were from another part of the country or state. I would not look at the screen often to imagine I was an outsider.

It was very disappointing to see people get up to ask a question of the panel and they did nothing more than talk. There really should have been a time limit of some sort. I would’ve like to asked a question or two.

Great movie. I’m guessing 9500 Liberty Street will work its way into several Political Science cirriculims (if it hasn’t already). It could easily be the focus of a semester.

My only regret about last night’s screening is the fact that no one with an alternative point of view appeared to attend or participate in the questions. I understand if there were such folks in the audiance and perhaps they felt uncomfortable speaking up. I would have loved to hear their perspective. (IMHO) Bringing both sides together is the true path to the reconcilliation that we seek. It would be interesting to offer a screening at an HSM meeting (and get some of the same folks who showed up last night to attend).

I wish the question & answer section were handled differently. There were too many folks using “our” question time for self-promotion or editorializing. I hope any future sessions will go to written questions (on 3×5 cards perhaps) to move things along. I also would have liked to ask a question or two.

I posted my initial reactions here on my own blog: http://luxuriouschoices.blogspot.com/2009/10/9500-liberty-complete-documentary.html

But several other things have come to mind.

It has always bothered me the way GL and clan have used military terminology to express their intent. That usage came through loud and clear when GL was talking to the conservative party and Duecaster talking to just about anyone.

Both of them have served in the military and now, they are using what they know to threaten people HERE. They don’t do it by sending emails that say, “I am going to kill you.” They do it subtly online and in person. They try to intimidate. They carry weapons. They SAY they are carrying weapons. And they know they can do whatever they want so long as they package it as free speech and the right to bear arms.

I have always resented GL and Duecaster using their military backgrounds for their own purposes before, but after reviewing those sections of the film (mentioned above) and analyzing their language and tactics, I resent it even more.

We have soldiers out in the field RIGHT NOW fighting for their very lives in the Middle East. We have families suffering because Mommy and Daddy are gone to war. People are being killed in the streets of Baghdad, yet GL and Duester are referring to CHILDREN as weapons right here in our country. An invasion?

Put them both on the REAL front lines and then we can talk about an invasion. If they are that hungry for war, then let them go fight one. But they are NOT allowed to continue one here on our soil.

The first gentleman with a question for the panel asked Chief Deane if anyone was keeping an eye on HSM/BVBL because they have weapons and have said they will use them. Chief Deane, of course, legally can’t say too much on that. However, if the Chief is smart (which he is) then yes, he is keeping tabs on the people who believe that any old excuse for violence will do. They are dangerous and should be treated as such.

Non-violent people don’t run around talking about themselves like they are real “foot soldiers” and say they are coming back with weapons. Non-violent people don’t try to create fear and hostility which was what was created in those HSM meetings. Non-violent people don’t try to dehumanize others and in the hopes that those “others” will be persecuted enough to want to leave.

We have a real threat of domestic terrorism sitting right in our back yards. I hope someone is paying attention.

I thought the movie was great. It was nice to see some of you that I have not seen in awhile.
PAP,
You look fabulous and I am sorry I didn’t get a chance to say hello be fore you left.

I agree the discussion was a real disappointment. I don’t know how to make it better though. Certainly a time limit on those darn questions.
As for the military and war approach that Letiecq and Duecaster took, well that’s politics in a majority rules democracy. There were only a few dozen active members in that group. Gainesville is only one of seven districts. It was 40 people trying to rewrite the Constitution and take over a county government with 360,000 residents. If you are outnumbered you use intimidation tactics, that’s just what you do, and yes even threats of violence to get the government to do what you want. These military rejects in our county are certainly no worse than the Death Panel fanatics, at least they had some semblance of an argument that a war or invasion framework was called for.

There have always been insurgent groups and there have always been intimidation tactics. The question is what can ordinary citizens do to protect against these tactics?

I am open to suggestions on this. Some how the quotient of racial difference drives people bananas and it is very easy to manipulate that into a political force. There is no ready counter force that I am aware of, other than the sort of courage we saw in the second half of the film. I am confident that America will defeat these tactics in the long term. My fear is that there is not enough courage within the Republican party to defeat an attack from within.

Last Best Hope, Ordinary citizens can fight back. How about an organization called 9500 Liberty Street in the County? There’s an election coming up next year, now is the time to start educating the public and “counting votes”.

Stories such as this don’t get better with age (and remember the election coming up next year). Perhaps it would be worth investing a bit to send copies of this movie out to the VFW, American Legion, Chamber of Commerce, Optimists, Churches, Synagogs, Mosques, etc., etc., etc., to tell “the rest of the story” regarding what happened here. Christian churches will be particularly offended by the mis-use of Christianity and biblical quotes to justify what is clearly (IMHO) an “un-Christian” and “un-charitable” course of action. The absence of Hispanics in the audience was noticed by many. Has this movie been shown in venues where Hispanics actually “hang out” (now that it has subtitles)?

I’m guessing the Democratic Party might just buy a few hundred of the CD version of this story… and start telling it now (I would). I’m surprised the Democratic Party isn’t using this movie, the events of 2007 & 2008, and Frank Principi’s bold leadership as the centerpiece of their campaign for 2010! I would add a plug for donations at the end of the movie and a web site to collect them (tax deductable, I understand there’s a 501c3 involved) to keep the story going (and that time of year when some of us make donations for tax purposes is coming up quickly).

While there are a few good men on the current BOCS, I wouldn’t want to be a Republican in Prince William County next year IF the Democratic Party really understands the power of this Movie’s message and the shifting demographics of PWC – did someone mention 20% Hispanic now? I also understand that minorities are behind the housing “boom” (affordable housing for immigrants). I would be out registering those folks.

That’s just my opinion.

I’m curious as to what Chief Deane’s actual answer was to the question about keeping tabs on HSM/BVBL that Pinko mentioned. Anyone?

Emma, he told the guy who was sacarstic when he posed his question basically all those that were suspected of breaking the law were be watched. Note: this is not a direct quote from Chief Deane. I think those want to be “scared” of something will always find something or someone to blame. geesh.

I really felt the kid was being a total smart ass in his question. He sure didn’t seem to have any concern for those on the other side of the issue’s safety. hmmm. Why not be concerned about the safey of ALL HUMAN BEINGS.

Chief Deane, of course, legally can’t say too much on that.

He didn’t specifically comment. Why would he give his political enemies any advantage?

There was not a direct answer. He was very vague and left me with the impression that exercising your first amendment rights was not the issue.

Under the Patriot Act, law enforcement can swoop in and do pretty much anything they deem necessary to protect the homeland or individuals. If someone comes knocking at the door for IP addresses, they aren’t going to have to beat my door down.

I am interested in the person in the film who was, I think, the membership director of Help Save Manassas. She seemed to have a change of heart when HSM went after Chief Deane. Did I get that right? There was laughter while she was speaking so it was hard to hear what she said.

The discussion was disappointing. In addition to several of the questioners, Marty Nohe spoke way too long in answering every question he was asked. I thought he came off well in the movie also, but it did not seem like he thought so. Then again, others have told me he tends to go on at length regardless, so maybe that’s all it was.

Opinion, the film exposes the flaws in extremist Republican theology/political philosophy. That would be two members of the BOCS. I thought Caddigan, Nohe, May, and Covington came off quite well. They kept their cool under fire, stood up to intimidation tactics when necessary, and guided the county to a policy that adheres to the Constitutional while still addressing some of the concerns of the radical right. That’s what I took away from the film. The entire Board cannot be painted with a broad brush for the actions of only two. If you were to ask me the two that came off looking worst were Democrats.

So if this film is used to encourage the Virginia Republican party to allow more mainstream candidates to emerge from a primary process instead of a smoke filled room, that would be fine by me. But if it is used to slam Republicans in general and celebrate Democrats, the public will see through that. We suffered through that unfortunate experience together, not as separate parties, and we fixed the policy together, not on a party line.

The film needs to fully expose Corey Stewart. He wanted to ensure he won an election. I wished I had seen the segmant where he sent the email from his colleagues to the bvbl.blog. It is only when all the political tricks are exposed in the light of day that this kind of dirty deals will halt. All of the misdeeds should be documented and follow Corey. Who will be the next political victims when he needs to win another election?

Last Best Hope,

My observations are what could happen… neither you nor I will actually decide what does happen. I’m an independent voter. The scenario I presented is purely hypothetical. The hypothetical strategy I proposed would be up to contemporary campaign standards (unless you missed the Deeds/McDonnell campaign, didn’t watch the last Presidential election, or don’t follow contemporary political campaigns in general).

We were not well served on this issue by some of those we elected (although I agree some were better than others). It is a fair point of discussion for the next round of campaigns. IMHO, too many innocent people and businesses were hurt to let this one go by without examination and discussion. I believe the point worth exploring is the influence an un-elected private organization had on implementing policy. The film clearly exposed the actual author of the infamous “resolution” (and it wasn’t the folks we voted for). The movie 9500Liberty is phosphorous in the hands of Democrats when engaging in such discussions. I suspect this weapon will be deployed early and with extreme prejudice.

But then, I’m an independent… and my post was purely hypothetical… and our opinions on this issue really don’t matter that much (unless you are someone’s campaign manager). The only opinion that will matter is the one we take into the voting booth.

I guess I’m thinking “Never again” these days.

Knowing that a recognized hate group authored Prince William County public policy offends me. It should offend everyone.

Opinion, yes indeed. The most important thing the film does for county residents is put the words “never again” firmly in our minds. The hate group classification, as I understand it, comes from a series of “guilt by association” trails, something I don’t readily go for unless the evidence is solid.

It bothers me more that they are from outside the county, and from all places K Street, and that their interests, which seem to be fighting immigration in general not just illegal immigration, is not consistent with American values. They would have looked forward with glee to our being sued by the feds over this policy. It would have given them a chance to challenge Constitutional protections, etc., but it would have bankrupted the county.

http://standing-firm.com/2007/12/13/southern-poverty-law-center-lists-fair-as-hate-group/

“Knowing that a recognized hate group authored Prince William County public policy offends me. It should offend everyone.”

Hey, if that is true – and I’m not stipulating that it is, I’m not familiar with the arguement – I would still support the resolution. Strongly. Just as I support the US Constitution and government, founded and defined by slaveholders who were prone to boning their daughter’s enslaved playfriends.

But I have to question the precepts here. The “Southern Poverty Law Center”? That’s who you’re relying on for your semantics?

You know, I can create a website and an organization that defines the Southern Poverty Law center as racist, or pro-pedophile, or whatever.

@Red Dawn
Thanks, Red! Sorry I didn’t see you! I had to cut out shortly after the discussion began. Sounds like I didn’t miss too much.

@Moon-howler
It could be that, but it’s more, I think. Several people have lodged complaints against GL and the clan. Deane has to be very careful about how those complaints are handled, even if he isn’t addressing them directly.