AntiBVBL

Wow! That’s impressive. I expected a short statement but that document has a 160 pages! I will need some time to view it.

Thanks Cindy. I learned a lot about my denomination and their stance. I plan to review more later.
Chris

Off topic alert… Admin, can you please start a thread on Cap and Trade? Congress is voting now, I strongly urge everyone to call or email their rep and ask them to vote ‘NO’ on this.

It’s only going to hurt U.S. manufacturing and send jobs overseas: http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=48552

Also, not only would every American citizen and every American business have to pay more for electricity it would raise the price of all goods. Not to mention that Europe has had a similar program in place for a few years and it has done nothing for ‘global warming’.

Look at these figures:
The conservative Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis used an econometric model of the U.S. economy to measure the projected impact of Waxman-Markey and found that by 2035, it would:

§ Reduce aggregate gross domestic product (GDP) by $7.4 trillion,
§ Destroy 844,000 jobs on average, with peak years seeing unemployment rise by over 1,900,000 jobs,
§ Raise electricity rates 90 percent after adjusting for inflation,
§ Raise inflation-adjusted gasoline prices by 74 percent,
§ Raise residential natural gas prices by 55 percent,
§ Raise an average family’s annual energy bill by $1,500, and
§ Increase inflation-adjusted federal debt by 29 percent, or $33,400 additional federal debt per person, again after adjusting for inflation.

This is an outstanding collection. It must have taken significant time to compile these pieces.

Hello, I will try to put up an open thread over the weekend. I don’t know enough about that energy bill to really take a position. What I find scary is that no one else seems to either. Supposedly no one has ready the entire thing. It passed the house.

Thank you for sharing this Cindy. This document is a treasure. If only more people throughout history practiced religion as it was meant to be.

Too late, hello. The monstrosity cap-and-tax bill passed. I’m sure Al Gore will be jetting victory laps around the nation in his private plane to celebrate. This is disgusting. Wonder how the Suburban drivers who refuse to remove their Obama/Biden bumper stickers will enjoy $4 a gallon gas again.

The cap and trade bill was another really dumb idea, that people refused to believe will end up costing a lot of money in the long run. Well, they’ll start finding out soon enough.

That great, big sucking sound you heard last night was what was left of American jobs and the economy leaving and going to China, India and others who don’t give a rat’s @ss about global warming and will inherent all of our coal-dependent industries. In a recession. At a time of record joblessness. Someone needs to follow the money trail on this outrage.

And the net effect on carbon emissions and climate change? Count the smokestacks in China and India in a few years and then get back to me on that one. Thanks Obama. You have now officially failed us.

Not to hijack the thread, but one effect the cap and trade bill will do is to force energy companies to provide a certain percentage of their energy from renewable sources. On paper this sounds great, in practice that is a more expensive form of energy, and both the development of those sources and distributing energy from them will be costly and passed onto the consumers. It is also debatable what effect it will have on global warming.

It also has provisions to cause more jobs to go elsewhere than the USA, which is just great during these economic times. What were they all thinking?

Hey, this is the party of NAFTA we’re talking about.

And believe me, I’m not excusing the Republicans who voted for this, either. Those nine votes could have defeated this disaster.

Whooooaaaaa….Obama is not Congress.

Secondly, let’s not hang all of NAFTA on Democrats. The original agreement between the 3 countries was signed by George Herbert Walker Bush in 1992. Last I looked he was a Republican. Clinton, approving what President Bush started, sined NAFTA into law following congressional approval.

Good, bad or indifferent, NAFTA was bi-partisan.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradepolicy/p/NAFTA_History.htm

The impetus for NAFTA actually began with President Ronald Regan, who campaigned on a North American common market. In 1984, Congress passed the Trade and Tariff Act. This is important because it gave the President “fast-track” authority to negotiate free trade agreements, while while only allowing Congress the ability to approve or disapprove, not change negotiating points. Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney agrees with Reagan to begin negotiations for the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, which was signed in 1988, went into effect in 1989 and is now suspended due to NAFTA. (Source: NaFina, NAFTA Timeline)

I am as guilty as the nice guy, but let’s move this conversation to the open thread. Let’s be compassionate to Cindy B.

thanks Cindy. I found a very comprehensive statement by the Jewish organization of Greater Washington.

So basically after glancing over the document I can only conclude that America would be much better off if we opened the southern border and let the tide overwhelm us. What else can you conclude? The document on average doesn’t indicate that there are any problems caused by illegal immigration, and specifically sets out to dismiss as myth each talking point from the anti-illegal immigration side. Therefore if you adhere to this premise, then the more illegals the better, right? You tell me. Yes, they are all human beings, we get that!

Apparently you spoke too soon, Cindy.

We still all need to get into good blog habits and not hi-jack the topics.

Second Alamo, I don’t think anyone is saying that here. Perhaps I am wrong. I have never heard anyone here except one person give any indications that they approved of open borders. I certainly don’t feel that way.

Thanks Cindy for the information.

Second Alamo,
Did you read the document? The Jewish Federation of Greater Washington looks at immigration comprehensively. Their statement included border control.