WP: Stay at Home Moms (featuring Elena, Katherine & Myself)
January 7th, 2009
In today’s edition of the Washington Post entitled - Prince William’s Mothers of Dissension, an article about Stay-at-Home Mom’s, featuring Elena, myself and Katherine Gotthardt with quotes from Kris Nohe as well. Honestly, I started to doubt whether this story would ever appear, you can tell by the photos, which were taken in the early fall that this story has been in the making for quite some time.
Keep up the good work. You guys are like a light in the darkness. Alanna, I am sending you an e-mail today.
Congrats girls on the article. Remember the thread on the “dark screen” on 22 July 2007, “I Get Some Press”. I guess your press time has come. I liked GL’s quote about you not focussing on specific issues to improve the community. I guess he has foregot the results of elections the last two Novembers. IMHO they have improved the community and I think in no small way because of this blog. Well done! Keep up the good work.
Great picture ladies! The post does take it’s time with getting articles to press. The article makes crystal clear that bvbl is not the only blog in PWC. It also shows you don’t have to “build an army” to have YOUR individual voice heard.
Oh, oh, oh - Greg must be seething! Good for you ladies!
Not only is Captain Hate Man seething, he sent out an email alert asking people to post anti-immigrant comments on the WaPo thread.
When are they going to realize that virtual people isn’t enough to cut it any more. If there really is such an appetite for racism, why are the HSM meetings so desolate these days. Why are there no old people at the Board meetings screaming about having brown skinned neighbors?
Thank you Alanna, Elena, M-H, Katherine and everyone on this blog for having the courage to stand up to ignorance, fear, and politicians who try to capitalize on ignorance and fear.
I am heartened that in the bloviated pedantry (irony intended) that is the blogosphere, someone wants to do the right thing. Good for you. That’s what America is.
Wow!!!! Front page! Congratulations ladies. I am in awe of what you have done in such a short time. I hope that this represents the future of the American democracy. If more ordinary Americans learn to participate like you do (like we do on this blog), it will no longer be possible for a small group of radicals to take a county, or a country, in the wrong direction.
Anyway, since you are now the people’s voice in PWC, can you do an thread updating us on the budget process for FY 2010? I hear they might axe the left over vestiges of the Immigration Resolution. But what else will we be losing now that Chairman Stewart has destroyed our local economy?
Look in the mirror Greg.
A nice article. While not always in full agreement with your postings, I think you add a much needed balance to our local “blogosphere”. Please keep it up.
Kudos to all of you! I am thrilled to hear of such strong input from fellow Moms! Best of luck with your furture efforts!
Thank you Poor Richard. We are glad you are here. Come back often.
As religiously as Gospel Greg reads this blog (not that it has supplanted him), I’m surprised he couldn’t come up with a quote that shows that he reads it.
This blog has a lot of great suggestions on how to make this community better. Many of them come from Chris P, who used to be part of Greg’s warped little church, but he didn’t allow sanity and good judgment in his church, or on his blog, so now Chris is with us! Wooo-hoooo! You see, if you only allow people you can easily brainwash to have a voice on your blog, you lose all your other customers.
Sorry Gospel Greg. You lose.
That was an encouraging article. I’m sure the article as well as yourselves and your involvement in the community will inspire others to stand up.
Congrats, ladies, on your positive involvement in our county. You can’t begin to realize how relaxing it is to start the day by reading this sane blog and not having to rely on the other for local news. I can eat my ice cream in peace without worries of leprosy contamination. Also no more worries of the devil stealing the Christmas parade or children being presented as dog food. No hysterics screaming about an invasion. No old people being whipped into a frenzy of fear by political drones. Whew…what a relief. And I have a few fearless women to thank. Thanks again for a job well done.
Censored, great post, except there still are some old people being whipped into a frenzy of fear by political drones. Luckily their numbers are dwindling, there are only 10 people remaining in Help Save Manassas.
What about Sharon Pandek, Senator Colgan, Frank Principi, Hilda Barg, just to name a few, Greggy? Man up! You trashed those individuals horribly.
You vilify anyone who doesn’t agree with you and throw them off your blog. You don’t even have the nads to tell people.
Poor Richard says it best. Look in the mirror. Hypocrite!
Excellent point, Mary and Richard.
Letiecq’s level of denial goes beyond any Jonestown koolaid drinker. He’s been breathing his own exhaust pipe fumes for so long he doesn’t even realize how ridiculous he sounds when he calls so many kettles black.
I’d bet during the interview with Kristen Mack, he said 10 or 12 other things that were patently false and humorously so. The man just can’t string six words together without lying. Thank God no one of any intelligence pays any attention to him. This quote is the first I’ve heard of him in months.
I was thrilled to pick up the paper this morning and see the wonderful article on the front page! Congratulations!!! I am forever grateful for your bravery and persistence in taking a stand against bigotry. You were truly a light in what seemed like a descent into darkness. THANK YOU.
I have been doing battle all morning with Anti-Immigrant clones on the WaPo website. Here is a sample:
Kahala, if Alanna (Conservative Republican) and Elenna (Moderate Democrat) are so “silly” and “puky,” why did the Board of County Supervisors vote unanimously to change the Immigration Resolution exactly as they advocated??????
Yes, the PWC Board of Supervisors (4 Moderate Republicans, 2 Extremist Republicans, 2 Democrats) sat and listened to citizens inspired by Alanna, Elena, and Katherine pleading with them to repeal the “Probable Cause” portion of the Immigration Resolution.
There is nothing “bleeding heart” and certainly nothing liberal about wanting to avoid expensive racial profiling law suits.
As a long time PWC resident, I for one would not have wanted to see a U.S. Supreme Court case called “United States vs. Prince William County.” That is where we were headed before these Citizen Mom’s took charge, and the Board responded by voting WITH THEM to change the law.
So, if you want to accuse someone of bleeding hearts, accuse the entire BOCS. By the looks of their 8 to 0 vote on April 29, 2008, THEY didn’t want to get sued either.
My quotation is a little out of context, but it isn’t used incorrectly I suppose. All in all, its a pretty good article. (It’s also a really good picture of the two of you.)
Yes. Gospel Greg, Corey Stewart, and John Stirrup certainly ARE right wing extremists.
But having the COURAGE to stand up to extremists does not make you an extremist of the opposite persuasion.
That’s where the clones have got it all wrong.
Alanna, Elena, and Katherine and the rest of the people who power this blog do not agree on most things. If anything we balance ourselves out politically. But Alanna, Elena, Katherine, and Chris lead the way because they are practical, they love this county, and they have the courage to stand up to extremists. That’s what unites them.
Now who would object to a blog that is uncensored, encourages community involvement and stands up to extremists?
Supervisor Nohe, I know what you mean about the context being confusing re. “don’t always agree.” But that was the point I was simultaneously making. The fact that we don’t always agree on this blog is what makes it so valuable to this community. That’s the very reason why this blog rendered the old blog impotent. The old blog, by way of censorship, did not allow the free exchange of ideas.
Supervisor Nohe, don’t worry. Those of us who keep up with PWC government know that you cherish free and open discussion. We know that you love your job, and that you love this county, and that you love the process of governing (which includes dialogue with citizens). Thanks for being supportive of this blog. It really has made a big difference to know that you are reading our comments and that you care about what we think.
Supervisor Nohe, I’ll echo what NGL said - don’t worry. I’m probably much more liberal than you are but I know which supervisors have the County’s interests at heart and which are political opportunists. I’d put you in the former group.
Our political views are varied but we have the freedom to express them here. That certainly wasn’t the case on the darkside.
Right you are Censored. My comments were deleted from the dark screen for merely extending an honest and sincere invitation to participate in the “Study Circles”.
Still proud to be a Republican.
Still proud to be born in Prince William County.
And ever proud to be represented by Marty Nohe.
WHWN,
I’m still proud to be an INDEPENDENT.
I will always be proud to be a PWC N8V.
Marty is a N8TV too, he’s invested in our county, and not just some “transplant”. He will be he long after those that came here to use our county as the political stepping stone.
I don’t really know if there is an Independent Party, Chris. I’m an independent person. I don’t want to jump off the GOP bandwagon just because we have hit a bumpy patch. But it is leaders like Marty Nohe that give me hope that the GOP will reform and rebound. That’s the sentiment of my post above.
The “transplants” your refer to, Corey Stewart and John Stirrup, are better known as Carpetbaggers. Letiecq is also a Carpetbagger, although he didn’t go to the trouble of running for office before making county policy. Carpetbaggers have come to PWC and ruined the reputation of our county in short order. It’s a real shame.
But the true source of pride comes from within. These Carpetbaggers haven’t changed the county; they’ve only changed the perception of the county. Same with the extremists who took over the GOP.
WHWN,
I vote for both Democrats & Republicans. I voted for an Independent candidate for Sherrif in 2007. I would not join up with either political party in this county or anywhere for that matter. Both parties are out of touch with the vast majority.
Carpetbaggers they are. I’ve called them that myself. I don’t need you to define for my benefit. Let’s not forget “perception is reality”.
The perception of this county has changed, and I can’t say it’s been for the better.
Also in today’s WaPo is a good style section article headlined ” Hawaii’s Still Waters Run Deep for the President-Elect”. Perhaps you can invite Greg and Corey to a “ho,oponopono” and serve Spam musubi? It might get them in an aloha frame of mind. (”… aloha, translated literally means the breath of life …. and is also sometimes interpreted as an acronym for five words meaning kindness, unity, agreeability, humility and patience.”)
President Obama, a favorite son of the “chop suey” people, has much to share with us.
“I have been doing battle all morning with Anti-Immigrant clones on the WaPo website”
Although I do post there, I think there’s probably not much overlap between people who post there and people who post to bvbl. I think the main demographic consderation you’d find is that people living in neighborhoods full of illegal aliens, undergoing personal stress and feeling abandoned by their political “leaders” are there angry and posting. I vented my anger on there well before HSM existed and before I had a glimmer of hope that my neighborhood would or could ever get better. I still do it because the embers of my anger burn brightly, but no one tells me to or makes any call to action that I’ve ever heard of.
Rick, we know that you’re no clone. You are an independent thinker and you are respected for your ideas even by those who do not always agree with you.
I agree with Rick. Although they sound the same, the BVBL people are not all clones. They get their information all from the same place and/or they all live in the same area and are of similar demographics.
Since when is ‘respecting life’ not a vision???? Oh, wait, the anti site doesn’t determine which life is worthy of respect!!!! Sounds like a vision to me.
Congratulations you two - how nice to see something POSITIVE about PWC in the news.
NotGregLeteicq, 2. January 2009, 10:34
Not only is Captain Hate Man seething, he sent out an email alert asking people to post anti-immigrant comments on the WaPo thread.
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NGL please post a copy of the email alert. Greg is claiming he never sent one.
I forgot to include that the thing the probably ticked Greggi off the most is the number of hits on his site and this one!!! Tee hee…..
(shooting for the Michael “most posts in a row” award)
Hey, what ever happened to KG? She hasn’t posted in forever??
Rick, my anger still burns too. I’ve just witnessed a neighbor of forty years walk to the next door neighbor’s house and take a leak beside the trash can. I was on my way to take my teenage daughter to a job interview. We both witnessed this, and thank God public urianation had stopped for about a year. It ended once the flophouses had vacated. I contacted the police, but I was told I have to call while the incident is happening, and not after the fact. This is almost impossible, and especially since I didn’t have my cell phone on me for a quick trip to Ben Lomond Park. Now, was I supposed to make my daughter later for interview and go back home and hope I could talk to a dispatcher as my neighbor from Luray is still mid stream. They could only come to my home and take a report. I told them I would try to talk to my neighbor. Merely taking a report doesn’t seem to solve the problem. I’m very disappointed.
Hey supermoms! You are featured on our blog today! Keep up the great work and visit http://www.immigrationimpact.org to see our post about you all!
Chris
I don’t understand. Your neighbor that you’ve known for 40 years did this? Where’s your camera!!!???
I don’t get it, Chris. A neighbor of 40 years pissed outside when he has a house of his own on the street with bathrooms presumably inside it? Okay. So that’s really bad manners. But it’s not about immigration and you’re not saying it is, right?
But that is just hilariously funny! You have to call the police while public urination is still happening. That’s about 40 seconds. They obviously don’t want to enforce that law, otherwise you’d at least get a 15 minute window.
Juturna, great minds think alike!
Why should people have to walk around armed with a camera just because some redneck decides to relieve himself on someone’s house. Is he demented? Otherwise that is really bad manners.
Maybe Mr. Chris needs to go have a talk with the old goat about keeping his weenie in his britches.
Chris, you are telling us that this is an old white man, aren’t you? Wait! I thought according to what I read on the WAPO today only ‘illegals’ wee wee’d on the sides of buildings. Did one of them lie??
Juturna, maybe Rick and JustinT are right. The clones all sound the same because they all sound the same, not because they receive talking points from Gospel Greg. I jumped to conclusions. It’s possible that Gospel Greg receives talking points from FAIR, the same place Lou Dobbs gets his talking points, and so it all just becomes one repetitive mantra.
M-H, I had the same thought about the wee-wee.
NGL - need to show us that email from Greg. He is posting that he never sent anything.
I thought Chris never went anywhere without her camera.
NGL - Well I thought they all sounded alike because they only say two or three things repetitively??!!!
Who they hate
“Liberals” are the root of all their problems.
Yes, all this is a neighbor of forty years that did this. I didn’t have camera due to the short trip I was taking. I really didn’t expect to see anything while out. Well, that’ll teach me to not even cross the street without being armed with my Cannon(camera, of course).
This has nothing to do with immigration. I will say that I’ve not seen any public urination since the flophouses vacated. However, I’ve never said that the immigrants where NOT the first ones I’d seen pee outside. I’ve seen this man over the decades pissing outside. He’s not learned basic manners. We do have indoor plumbing in WestGate, and in fact his house has 3 full bathrooms. And if he insisted on pissing outside so bad, why not piss in his own yard. Why trespass on someone elses property to take an outdoor leak?
This is a neighborhood not the open air of Luray for crying out loud.
My blood is boiling over this one ya’ll. I’m going to Lafayette mode.
Oh, this is the same redneck that dubbed me the “Governor of Lafayette”. Hence, the moniker Lafayette was born.
Juturna,
Well, you see what kind of stuff happens when I don’t have. This is exactly why it’s on my 99.999% of the time.
I got a camera for Christmas - it fits in my pocketbook. You made me think of wanting one that size. My hero!!!!
Juturna, I don’t have an email like that, sorry. Why and where is Greg making claims about sending things or not? One would think he’d be proud to take credit for having so many minions at his fingertips.
Huh??? Isn’t that whay you said here:
NotGregLeteicq, 2. January 2009, 10:34
Not only is Captain Hate Man seething, he sent out an email alert asking people to post anti-immigrant comments on the WaPo thread.
Lafayette, don’t take it personally with the guy who wee-weed. Maybe he is just losing his marbles. If it becomes a public spat, it can get out of hand. Exhibit one: Chris “Bitter Boy” Royse. Exhibit two: John “Appoint A Raving Lunatic To The Human Services Board To Prove I’m Not A Racist” Stirrup.
Juturna, my apologies, I read it on another blog but I don’t know if it is true. Back in his heyday, Gospel Greg was always sending out emails like this. But I’m not getting them anymore. I assume he is still sending them but has refined his list.
Rats. I read your comment to mean you knew he did it. Which blog?
Great article, ladies. Congratulations.
(I hope your husbands don’t mind if I say that you’re both very lovely.)
“You have to call the police while public urination is still happening.”
That was pretty much their approach when someone broke into my car and stripped it for parts too …
NotGL,
Oh, I don’t think he’s loosing his marbles. He’s quite capable of carrying on a conversation and driving a vehicle. I think he’s just a country boy that wishes he were in the country and not in suburbia. Again, this is NOT the first time I’ve seen this man do this! I will not get in a spat with my neighbors. I will talk to him, as will others in my family that live on Lafayette.
Chris
I’m not sure. But perhaps we are robbing ourselves of an opportunity when we dismiss them as clones of Gospel Greg.
I think there is a deeper reason they clones all sound the same. It’s a formula that stems from way before the immigration issue became the rallying cry of the way-out-there wacko fringe right.
When they were talking about Freedom Fries and invading Iraq “because they attacked us first,” they were very careful to stick to the same formula. It started with the extremist jingoism confusing love of Republican politicians for love of country. In both cases, a “patriot” was someone who advocated an extreme right wing position, and a “traitor” or “aider and abettor” was anyone who said, “Wait a second is that wise?”
Remember “with us or against us?” It’s sort of the same mantra. They just rolled it from invading Iraq into turning the United States into an anti-immigration police state.
Oh, and Freedom Fries? That was a way of punishing French people by not mentioning the word “French” when talking about fried potatoes. Why did they feel it was necessary to punish French people? Because the French government dared to point out that there was no credible intelligence to support the lies that Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld told us to advertise for the war.
Rick,
I would be upset about the car getting broke into. The thing that really gets me is I saw with my own two eyes the guilty party of the public urination and trespassing.
Are we supposed to walk around with video cameras on helmets to record everything in order to get an type of “real response”?
NGL, that’s my point. Letiecq should not get all the credit for indoctrinating his followers. Who is Letiecq other than a follower himself of a much more powerful world view, who happens to have a blog and OCD.
What a busy day today! Thanks to all of you for making this the great blog that it is!!!!
I have yet to read the comments on WAPO and probably won’t! I’d rather read the positive comments here on this blog and believe that better days are ahead for us all. Thanks WHWN, for defending us against the rage.
BTW, thanks Marty
Oh, I forgot to give a shout out to Kris Nohe! What an awesome quote about the worthiness of stay at homes, THANK YOU Kris!!!!
It sounds like the ICE mini Vans on patrol, Lafayette. Maybe you should make a phone call!
Congrats Alanna and Elena! Thank you for your hard work, for being positive and for the level-headed input into the community. Thanks for being a voice of reason and giving people a place to express views openly without the retaliation of being banned.
A big shout also goes out to both Chris and Katherine for their diligence and hard work to make the community a better place.
MH,
OMG!! I almost forgot about that! I need a laugh, after fuming over the neighbor. I want to know where was the Neighborhood Watch while this incident took place. I’ve yet to speak to a single person on my block that participates in the NW or was even given the opportunity to decline or accept. Remember, the neighbors had expensive work equipment stolen from the vehicle the same week the blue sign went up.
Marie,
Thanks. I will continue to do what I feel is best for our community. I will not give up.
Those posters on bvbl sound like they need some prozac or zoloft. They are totally cranked up about the article in the WaPo.
Well Marie, it’s of little wonder they are upset. I imagine they felt like the world was their playground a year ago. Now, their world is an echo chamber.
Marie,
Is it the “usual supsects” that are all fired up over on bvbl?
Another post I’d like to share from WaPo:
If you want our economy to start growing again, if you value the greatest generation and their quality of life, if our national security is important to you, then you should support Comprehensive Immigration Reform, to vastly increase the number of immigrants who can come to this country and replenish our dwindling workforce.
The social security program depends on having a larger workforce than the ranks of the retired. But with modern medicine, people are living longer. People are having less children than they did during the Baby Boom. And guess what, the Babyboomers are retiring.
So many of you have fallen prey to a childish scare tactic if you believe that immigrants hurt our economy. They work harder and work longer than we do. They commit less crime than we do. That’s right. Less crime. They use less public services. That’s right. Less. They contribute more in taxes while receiving less.
When our economy starts to grow again, we will need millions of new workers, and we cannot afford to discriminate about what country they come from, what native tongue they speak, or what color their skin is.
If you value America, then you must value more than the racial breakdown and white majority that you are accustomed to. You must value and cherish the ideals on which our nation was founded. Inalienable rights that are afforded to all human beings, regardless of whether they annoy you or look funny to you.
Police officers cannot properly keep us safe from REAL crime if they are saddled with the federal government’s job of immigration and customs. If minority communities perceive the police as protecting whites but not minorities, they will not report crimes. They will go to gang leaders when they want protection instead of the police.
The Immigration Resolution was a wrong-headed policy foisted upon our county by political opportunists. And these good citizens deserve the accolades they are getting for helping us regain control of our government and set this county on the right course again.
Fontbonne, you are correct. Alanna and Elena are lovely ladies and it’s a lovely photo with all due respect to their husbands.
Lafayette, could you please tape record your conversation when you confront your incontinent neighbor?
WHWN,
I’m sorry to say I don’t have one of those pocket recorders. Hey, speaking of those do you remember that “bright idea” being entertained in lieu of video cameras in the cars? This was before all immigration checks would happen post arrest?
Maybe, I could use my video camera and make a youtube? I wonder who would be first to post it Red Dawn or Mackie.
Hmmm.
They are cranked up over there. BUT, when posters don’t have facts when criticizing Greggi, it’s not good for ANTI. Please keep that in mind.
Emma fuming over books. Probably banning/burning is next on the skimpy agenda.
This is the most comment activity BVBL has seen in ages. They have nothing to say over there unless they are instructed on who to hate/resent. I know why they hate us: “They hate us for our freedom.”. LOL!
Welcome Wendy!
Thanks for your support!
Many have slithered from their rocks to join the chorus of howls about Alanna and Elena. They seem to be swarming like angry hornets. It is fun to watch.
Great article, ladies! I really appreciate all you’ve done for this community. And, Alanna, I love the new haircut!! Very posh.
Wow…it’s been so long since I last posted that the post I just left is in moderation!! I’ve been away a long time, I guess.
I’m tempted to sneak a peek but I’ve been so good about not visiting the stinking bathroom, even if the writing on the stall doors is juicy ugly gossip.
Thanks for the updates though. It’s really gratifying to know how resentful and helpless they now feel, all because someone proved that two can play at the community blog game.
Casual Observer, you popped up after I posted! Didn’t see you. Welcome back!
Thanks, NGL.
I’ve been lurking….real life stuff has kept me from doing much more. You’re all holding the fort quite nicely.
NGL, the black velvets should be reminded that they have no one but their fearless leader to thank for the existence of anti. Had Their fearless leader not thrown people off the dark screen, often without telling them, there would have been no need for anti. People weren’t thrown off for rudeness or inappropriate remarks; they were thrown off for political thought that the fearless leader did not approve of.
As I made my reading rounds yesterday, I noted with interest that both Elena and Alanna were attacked as stay at home moms who should have been paying more attention to their children and not blogging. Sitting in a bar I can understand. Blogging? Get serious. Find something else to be critical of. The personal attacks were entirely childish.
If I am to believe what I read, sounds like the velvets should have some pretty demanding, self centered children if they devoted every waking second to their children. Since I am pretty sure that isn’t true, then let’s give these ladies a break. Be adult enough to accept that you disagree politically with them and cut out the personal attacks.
I am NOT a stay at home mom. I fill in so they can spend more time with their families. This fact has not gone unnoticed on the dark screen. Maybe I should spend more time with my husband. Sit on the floor and play games with him and the dogs. If I choose to sit in a chair, does that make me a bad dog mom in the eyes of the velvets?
The adversarial, personal comments need to be replaced with dialogue about ideas and policy.
Moon, all they have left is personal attacks.
I wonder how they feel about stay at home moms with jobs?
Nevermind, they would bash that that too!! I guess it boosts some egos to put down others.
I think these people should realize that MOST kids go outside the home for public education. This frees up a few hours a day. Furthermore, NOBODY needs to explain their day or time to “bloggers”. They will spin to suit them and their agenda.
I personally have a problem with SAHM that think they are “educators”. HAHAHA!!!
If these “Home Schooling Moms” were so concerned about their children getting an education with religion. Why don’t these HSM(home schooling mom’s) get a real job and send their kids to get a “real education” at a private church based school. Of course they could be SAHM’s, if their husband’s could support the family.
Ivan, do you mean like Lafayette’s little attack?
Emma,
Cool your jets, woman!
I attacked NO one personally. I was merely stating my opinion. Just like you state yours. I just felt that this were two types of mom’s that were left out of the discussion. I’m sorry if you feel my opinion was an attack. I can assure it was NOT! I had a daycare provider for my daughter that home schooled her two sons, and she’s was an amazing woman. I just feel kids schooled at home are in for a rude awakening when they are not in the four walls of their home. I went to school with a couple of people in high school that were home schooled they were like scared chicks away from the roost for the first time. I felt very sorry for them.
I would never have the patience–or the broad-enough skills–to homeschool my kids. But most of the homeschooled kids I know are some of the nicest kids around, fit in well with public-school kids, and get into good colleges. They take music lessons, participate in sports and generally have the same frenzy of activity that every other kid Iknow has these days. They are by no means sheltered, nor do they need pity.
Well, Emma. I have nothing bad to say about home school kids. I was on speaking from personal experience. My daycare provider’s sons both went to college and were on the Deans’ list the hope time. Oh, yes I have a neighbor with a home school child she seems very happy with it. I think there’s a lot more options for home schoolers today, than in 25-30 years ago. We have virtual high school they can take classes on if it’s something best not taught in the home. Technology makes it much easier for groups to form, etc. This makes for more well-rounded home schoolers than in my day.
I would NEVER have the patience to even be a stay at home without a job. Now, I love be a working mom in the home that gets to venture out once a day for work. However, I can’t say the courthouse is always the “best” option for leaving the “compound” to work. I have the utmost respect for those that have the patience and nerves of steel to stay at home with their kids, and this includes those that educate at home.
I really hope you understand I merely felt these “moms” had been left out of the equation. Of course their are also, part-time moms, and many others that haven’t been mentioned. I really think again due to technology more people are able to spend quality time at home.
Lafayette. I’m using Chris she’s not as fiesty as that Lafayette.
Yikes, Emma, I don’t want the “grammar police” after me. These were the two that jumped out at me. I’m sure there are more. I think you get my point.
Corr: I was ONLY speaking from personal experience.
and
and were on the Dean’s list the WHOLE time.
Emma, I was referring to “chicko’s” remarks on BVBL.”The photgraph nice, from the waist up.” Of course my favorite is “I’m thinking “gotturd” is likely the NGL person incognito.” If these classless remarks are all you can bring to a discussion, then you have lost.
Some home school kids are well educated. Others have no skills at all. Unfortunately, the standards for home schooling can be very lax.
I can’t imagine having the patience or, as Emma suggested, enough broad based skills to attempt to educate my own kid.
I feel sorry for some of them I have met. Some have been kept away from other kids and have been pumped full of religion all day long. Some, not all.
Some kids are home schooled because they have gotten in trouble. I am sure no one minds that.
Wow Chris:
Were you dissing Mrs. Nohe with your comment,
I personally have a problem with SAHM that think they are “educators”. HAHAHA!!!
If these “Home Schooling Moms” were so concerned about their children getting an education with religion. Why don’t these HSM(home schooling mom’s) get a real job and send their kids to get a “real education” at a private church based school. Of course they could be SAHM’s, if their husband’s could support the family.
Oh elite one.
Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions there. I’m concerned about kids being taught by “educators” that might not have the education to teach. Each of us have OUR own set of priorities, and they all differ. I wrote further on home school kids. I guess you didn’t bother to read that part. Edit away, dear!
What about those kids that get expelled from school on drug and/or weapon charges? Those children need to be schooled at home, privately, or worse yet have to move to another jurisdiction where they can attend public schools. They certainly deserve an education too. Then what if the same or even worse happens in the second school district. These children are at huge risk for being expelled from ALL public schools in the commonwealth.
Students thrown out on weapons charges are not entitled to a public education. They are a danger to others. For drug use, they should be able to reapply after a year.
The safety of the group is more important than individual rights in this case.
I find it very interesting that amnesia seems to transcend rational thought over on the “dark screen”. Here is a little reality check. Mr. L had NO job when he was in the process of financially destroying this county. Where was the outcry against this “stay at home dad” ?! Ahh, the insidious smell of hypocrisy rises like rotting stench on BVBL.
Well, I’ve been over to bvbl. I see they are steady making their assumptions of me and others as well. I love Emma calling my comments “slamming” over on bvbl. Yet, had a reasonable exchange of thoughts with me here. I was slamming no body. I guess as usual when I make general statements it hits a nerve with the “guilty parties”. They rat themselves out with their “guilt”, when their name has never been called out. I’ve had these guilty parties contact me regarding “general comments” and they want to know if I was talking about them. It’s very telling in my opinion.
Again, I’m not singling out anyone person on this or any matter. We all have different ideas on who we want to live our lives, educate are children, etc. I personally prefer to have my child in public school where she will be exposed to all types of people. I can’t say I’m pleased about the people she might attend school with, but at least she will know that ALL groups have their good and their bad. We are allowed to still think and speak freely in the US, aren’t we?
Also, another “myth” over there is that I’m on the WaPo board. It’s common knowledge I have NEVER been able to read the comments on the WaPo. In fact, when the article was in the Post of Allison and myself people would cut and paste the comments and send them to be via email. I find it very interesting, especially since I had to write my comments for the WaPo and email them to Allison, who in turn posted them for me on the WaPo. It was very clear that I could NOT post on WaPo. Nothing has changed in this regard. I saw where others are able to read comments on newspaper’s comment section.
Madam, the “little lady” wasn’t working or home schooling either. I would think if you could live without either adult working in the home, that you’d be living somewhere far nicer than Sudley.
“I personally have a problem with SAHM that think they are “educators”. HAHAHA!!!
If these “Home Schooling Moms” were so concerned about their children getting an education with religion. Why don’t these HSM(home schooling mom’s) get a real job and send their kids to get a “real education” at a private church based school. Of course they could be SAHM’s, if their husband’s could support the family.”
What on earth does this even mean? Are you saying women should not choose the way in which they spend their days? Are you saying families should not choose they way in which they educate their children?
Results of homeschooling are all over the charts, as are results of public/private schooling. It isn’t the where of the education, it’s the what and the how.
Fontbonne,
I said more on the matter than that. Are you taking the Emma approach? Each child has his/her own needs as to what’s best for them. The parents make that choice, and I do believe parents do what they feel is BEST for THEIR child. I said I don’t have the patience or desire to do it myself, and have respect for those who do. I will repeat myself once again. I have respect for those that want/can school their children at home. It’s not my cup of tea, and don’t feel that public schools are the ruination of children.
Everyone is free to do what they want. I just asked what about other types of mothers. Sounds like you might have an ax to grind with public education. That’s just my perception of your comments. I’ve not meant to offend anyone. However, I’m not on this blog to make friends or enemies. I’m here to exchange I ideas, and my comments here uncensored, and without risk of being deleted.
Emma,
“people in glass houses”, do you know that saying? You have been quite vicious towards Alanna and I, as far as I can tell, not only on bvbl, but also possibly the wash post comment section. Although I may not necessarily agree with Chris’s premise regarding the quality of home schooling, I find it interesting that YOU would be the one to admonish someone on attacking others.
Let’s not focus on what Chris said. I have seen a great and mighty effort turn to fixate and deflect on Chris’s words rather than on the vicious attacks on Elena and Alanna that has gone on for over 24 hours on the Post blog and on bvbl.
Chris isn’t the guilty one here. Those who have had a hay-day at the expense of Alanna and Elena are the guilty ones. Emma, how dare you question how either of these ladies spend their day! I have always believed in the birds of a feather axiom. I would work on Ch!cko becoming a human being rather than how much quality time Elena and Alanna spend with their children. If you work on Ch!cko the s!cko it will be a full time job. Perhaps he won’t have time to leave gutter scum remarks on this blog.
Emma, all of us have tried to be fair with you, but let’s face it: you have been 2 faced and hypocritical. That’s too bad. You are bright and articulate. You are wasting it being nasty.
Did you read the Wash Post comments, Elena, where I was “possibly” vicious to you? You and many of your friends here would do best to take some of your own advice about glass houses. Funny how the mere mention of my name brings out the self-righteous dander in you.
And Chris’s comments did smack of personal attack with the reference to “HSM/homeschoolers,” and was glaringly ironic coming right after Ivan’s comment about personal attacks on bvbl. Apparently I’m too much of a sinner in your view to be allowed to point that out. Did I touch a nerve?
MH, I do not own Chicko’s remarks, and it’s not my job to police him/her. I have called him/her out in the past on the physical appearance stuff, but I’m not in charge in what seems to be an open forum, so why do you bring Chicko up in relation to me? Do you own Mackie’s remarks? Should I assume Mackie is representative if this blog as a whole?
Emma,
Even though clearly I have no idea who are as a human being, I was pleasantly surprised when you visited here with kind words for New Years Eve, and yet, a mere three days later, you have gone back to your cruel words, directed at me. I guess on some level, I am just disappointed. I thought maybe we had turned a corner with you, maybe not in belief, but at least in tone. What a shame I was wrong.
I’m sorry you feel that way, Elena. Sometimes it’s not all personal. Sometimes it has more to do with the complete lack of objectivity on the part of the reporter and the newspaper as a whole when it comes to the immigration issue. Let’s start with the photograph–lovely, by the way, and I mean that sincerely–which gives the impression that you and Alanna are next-door neighbors talking over the fence. There is a certain amount of reader manipulation that goes on there and throughout the article that doesn’t require a lot of sophistication to see.
Maybe you would like it better if I took a page from Mackie’s endearing little book. You don’t seem to mind his foul, race-baiting spew.
Emma, which newspapers and news magazines do you think are totally “objective”? Do you think editorial staff - both news editors and photo editors - make content more or less objective?
Emma,
FYI-That same person you think I was attacking. Was the person who I said had a very well adjusted child, and was happy to be homeschool. Patty’s child is the most “normal” acting homeschooled child I’ve ever met. Nice try Emma. You’ve said before you don’t know me and HSM people. So why is it you seem to “know” who I was talking about.
I would also like to note that so many are complaining about Alanna and Elena taking their kids to board meetings. Well, I didn’t hear anyone say boo when Patty took her child to a couple of board meetings. Nor, did I hear any complaints from anyone when I took my daughter to a BOS meeting, and she decided to speak as we drove down there.
The WaPo used to have a blog - On Balance - by Leslie Morgan Steiner author of “Mommy Wars”. It was a popular blog and its focus was how to find balance for SAHMs (and Dads) and working parents. Nothing said on this thread wasn’t already covered on Leslie’s blog. There was an occasional foulmouth that would say something similar to what is spewed on BVBL by a couple of the regulars. But the WaPo has often covered the subject of SAHMs. An article about two women who are SAHMs and yet are politically active would absolutely not be an unusual subject for the post to cover.
Chris, I have no idea if you were attacking a specific person or not. You might have me confused with another poster. I was commenting on the interesting juxtaposition of comments by you attacking HSM/homeschoolers, and Ivan complaining about personal attacks on bvbl. You don’t seem to be able to see the irony there, but there’s no point beating a dead horse from my little glass house here.
Emma, I’d not seen IVAN’a post when I posted. Look at the times. His went up as I was typing my posts. So, IVAN’S warning wasn’t even there for me to see with my own two eyes.
You can claim that you don’t know if that’s the person I’m talking about or not. Yet, you assumed I was talking about HSM’s. HSM and it’s members not have the market cornered on home schooling. For someone that claims not to know them you sure do seem to know a lot about HSM. Oh, well you sound like a couple of other women I know that love to chant “I NEVER blog. I only read.” That’s BS if I ever heard it. You really sound them.
I’m able to see plenty of irony. The question is are YOU?
Why do you keep beating a dead horse, Emma?
“I personally have a problem with SAHM that think they are “educators”. HAHAHA!!!
If these “Home Schooling Moms” were so concerned about their children getting an education with religion. Why don’t these HSM(home schooling mom’s) get a real job and send their kids to get a “real education” at a private church based school. Of course they could be SAHM’s, if their husband’s could support the family.”
Your words, Chris, not mine. I have no idea whom you were attacking specifically. You keep coming back at me because you won’t own your own words, and now you’re embarrassed.
Enough said.
Emma, why not explain your statement about the WaPo and its writer - “Sometimes it has more to do with the complete lack of objectivity on the part of the reporter and the newspaper as a whole when it comes to the immigration issue.” Just what was missing in the article that caused it to have “a complete lack of objectivity”? The topic of the article was Alanna and Elena, not immigration. Immigration was mentioned as part of the article - to show Alanna’s and Elena’s activism in one arena but not as its primary subject. Should the article on Greg have disputed everything he said? Should the article on Chris and Allison have been balanced by pointing out Corey’s lies and FAIR’s influence in order to give a fairer view of the impact of immigration on PWC?
Emma,
I have no problem owning those words you’ve posted. I also, own the other words to that went into further details on my view of home schooling. You should be embarrassed for not presenting all of my comments. You choose to pick one comment out of several.
Anyways, no are the one that keeps coming back at me.
Enough said, indeed, Emma. You can keep wasting your time on it. I’m done wasting time on you and your comments. You own the crap you spew too.
Emma, I haven’t yet read the crap you spew, but can you spew some on the new thread? No one is defending Corey, Weasel John, and Gospel Greg. I’m starting to feel sorry for them.
Emma, I once saw you chew out ch!cko and his many other names (I can’t recall which one) for making nasty personal appearance remarks. I applauded you for doing that. Yet I don’t see you distancing yourself in other areas. Has he bragged to you about the vulgar, nasty, hate spewing remarks he makes several times a week here? Some of them are extremely vulgar.
I am sure you know that Mackie and I often disagree. There are several people here I just glaze over and do not bother to read. However, you cannot accuse me of cozying up.
Now that we have covered that territory, I agree with Elena. We have talked about how glad we were to see you and your less hostile attitude at us. I certainly do not mind you disagreeing with me. I disagree with my best friends over things. We still are friends. What I mind are the nasty attacks.
When I read the article I thought what a nice article it was. I thought the same thing about some of the articles that involved people who where not associated with anti at the time. What I really object to is the nasty parenting cracks made about Elena and Alanna. Those remarks are undeserved and without merit. Both are extremely involved moms. Their children are involved in a variety of activities and they are there every step of the way. In fact, I would say both of them are role models, rather than objects of derision.
And finally, much has been made over on your place about me being here much of the time. Just why do you think that is? I am not a stay at home mom. I have time to spend that Elena and Alanna do not. I fill in so they have more time with their families. Yet that ,too, is criticized. Why doesn’t
everyone just admit the 3 of us can do nothing right.
Rageaholism is an interesting behavior. The WaPo response section is filled with it- as is BVBL. You can see the rage building as posters respond and feed on each other’s posts. Any article on immigration will get many of the same posters, the same responses, the same rage. It’s not the same as being contrarian. It definitely has an extreme anger to it - an anger that would make sane people leave a room were it to be expressed in their actual presence. Just as alcoholics often are in denial, rageaholics are as well - they always feel justified to say the most vile or over-the-top thing.
In over ten years of posting on various message boards, I’ve read enough manic rages to feel some posters are interchangeable in their similarity.
“Sounds like you might have an ax to grind with public education. ”
Not even close.
No, MH, Chicko doesn’t brag to me about anything–I don’t know him/her at all and I’m not the blog police that monitors everything he/she says. I also haven’t spent any time speculating about how much time you run the blog at what you call my “place.” I consider all of this to be more of an open forum.
I stand by my assertion about bias in the article. Additionally, the Post tends to take turns alternately slamming SAHM’s and working moms, especially during slow news cycles, and it irritates me to no end to see them glorify one side of it, only to tear it apart in the next article to keep the newsworthy “Mommy wars” going. But that is beside the point.
Emotions run high on these issues, and my opinions are fairly strong and set. But I will apologize for my initial statement about Gymboree and all that–it was more in response to the tone and the bias of the article and the usual Post nonsense than it was intended to be a personal attack. I will think twice before I hit “send” in the future.
M-H,
Thank you for your very thoughtful post. I think that you made a great point, it is clear that for some, no matter what we do, or don’t do, we will always be the object of their distaste. Your help in writing threads, has been invaluable, especially during the busy time of the holidays. I am sending you a big hug right now!
Emma,
Thank you for your expressing your intent to “think twice before you hit “send” in the future” and for the apology referencing some comments you made.
Emma, no, you cannot control what others say. Very true. Perhaps I am wrong that you have been a cheerleader to some of the crap that has been hurled our way. If that is the case, then I sincerely apologize.
I read the article because I know Elena and Alanna. Working moms/SAHMs are concepts I no longer worry about. My kiddlies are grown and most of the time I was a working mom.
I hope that you will help diffuse things rather than ignite them. I feel certain there is much common ground. The war mongers just want to stir things up. Ex. If both ’sides’ were happy on April 30, that should have been a spring-board for working towards common goals. I appreciate your ‘pausing before hitting send’ sentiments.
MH
Elena, you are more than welcome.
M-H, and CensoredbyBVBL, you have posted some really intelligent words here on this thread today. I did not know there were comments being posted on blogs 10 years ago. I thought this whole thing was new. Go figure.
Also, good to see Emma playing nicely but I admit I don’t fully grasp the meaning of the disagreement. Women should be proud to be stay at home and proud to be working moms. Either way, a mom is the best thing a person can be in life. Moms are the MVP’s of human history.
whwn, awww thank you.
I don’t know that the expression blog was used 10 years ago. There certainly were those news boards and chat rooms then. Certainly things have gotten more sophisticated.
Censored, I didn’t realize there was an actual name for Rageaholism. Tell us more about it please.
WHWN, I have no children but found Leslie Morgan Steiner’s blog because of a subject featured on the WaPo. I was amazed at the animosity among the posters for the different choices they had made in life - all very legitimate choices. I thought of my siblings (all female) and the different choices they had made and the financial constraints and division of work at home that pushed them onto one path or the other. How to raise children, how to educate them, and whether to have them to begin with are all very personal choices. Sometimes people have a lot of leeway in making these choices and somethings none at all.
I’ve noticed your rational posts in the response section. Months ago - maybe even a year ago - I tried to rationally present my point of view there as well. The rage that builds when any immigration issue appears just drowns out the rationality. The ragers aren’t interested in logic. Their reaction is one of emotion -a legitimate response - but it quickly goes on to become emotion out of control. I think many of them are people who are perpetually angry in life. Immigration is but one issue for them to rage about.
Moon-howler, I first heard the term “rageaholic” on a message board. The term was being discussed by a couple nurses but I doubt that it’s made it into the DSM. People were discussing anger that they thought would fit into a personality disorder but the nurses were adamant that there was an addictive nature to the anger. I don’t have a background in a pertinent field so I would not dare say. I’ve seen the behavior in a couple people on boards where I’ve been a long time member. These people can not walk away from an argument. They become “manifesto” queens and kings after a big explosion- vowing to never return only to quickly do so. They are addicted - painfully so. The anger has affected all aspects of their lives - family, work, social contacts. They don’t seem to feel alive without the anger.
There’s a little on wikipedia about the term. I’ll see if I can find more. I wonder if “Anger Management” classes deal with this issue - the addiction.
Censored, thanks for that explanation. Do you think immigration brings out rage or do you think that people who go nuts about it are angry anyway and that is just one of the topics those people pull in? Not sure I asked that right.
How come those of us who see immigration in more moderate terms (not open borders, just not massive deportations of all men women and children) do not get rage like anti immigration folks? I noticed back in the day when we were on the dark screen….some of them got so filled with rage at us over several topics, I might add. We weren’t that angry. Go figure.
M-h, here’s an Anger Management article which touches on the problem.
http://www.angermanagementseminar.com/articles/just_another_addiction.html
I couldn’t say for sure which came first but my instincts would lead me to believe that the people most furious about immigration were angry to begin with. Otherwise, why wouldn’t they tackle some of the problems which affected them by calling the pertinent county staff - zoning, NS, police? When I had similar problems in my neighborhood, I didn’t ask PWC to round up all the drunks, dopers, and country boys and drive them to the border of Fairfax County and dump them off. I asked county staff to address specific problems that concerned behavior- too much noise, too many untagged cars in various stages of repair, dogs that roamed the neighborhood, construction materials stored next to the road. None of these offenders were Hispanic, but most of the problems were solved by county staff. Public urination, as Chris noted, seems to be the hard problem to solve if you have to catch them watering the lawn.
Censored,
Thanks for the article. Yes, I was angry and the condition of my neighborhood as you know. However, even angry you must contact and work with the county departments to get these types of issues addressed. Neighborhood Services from 2006 to 2008, had cut their response, and compliance time drastically. I feel that this improvement was due in part to “anger” on the citizens’ part. Now, this is anger was working for good. (imho).
I will say that there were times I also got angry over the way I saw a few things handled by NS. I also, so their level of service improvement at least from my standpoint. However, as I learned how limited the powers of NS are and the length of time for due process, my anger subsided. I know one thing, if it had not been for the work of Senor Chavez in November of 2007 we’d still be looking at “the coke machine” sitting in Mario’s driveway. When I sensed Senor Chavez’ frustration with this problem, it restroed my faith in NS, along with some meetings with Michelle Casiato. Neighborhood Services will listen to ideas, and help citizens understand their limitations. I’m very pleased to the increase in fines for violations, and the more powers given to NS over the past couple of years.
Watering the lawn!! Classic that will be filed away with the many “classic quotes of Lafayette Avenue”. I did see a couple of vehicles of those that belong to the two nearby NW. I wonder if they went cruisin’ down good ole Lafayette on WW(WeenieWatch)? This is not meant to offend or discredit anyone that may have gone down our street slowly yesterday. It’s very funny to me that someone that’s lived in the same neighborhood for forty years would honestly think wizzin’ on the neighbor’s lawn is acceptable behavior. To add insult to injury the owners that got their lawn watered aren’t even in town. This joker next door is probably assigned to watching that house. I would never ask that man to watch my trash can in a wind storm.
The bottom line is life is too short to be angry. It took me along time to learn that. I still get angry from time to time, as we all do. I just try to keep it to myself, and not inflict it on others.
Chris, public peeing isn’t a problem that’s going to be solved easily. LOL. PWCPD is not going to waste tax dollars doing a DNA analysis of the watered patch.
I found zoning - not sure NS was in existance at that time - to be very efficient. One case needed a bit of prodding. Years later when I had occasion to call again, I wasn’t impressed with NS. I’m in a position to know what can and can’t be done as well as what constraints it faces and I felt that NS had dropped the ball. It seems to have improved lately. Maybe the anger from citizens forced it to become more aggressive in solving some issues.
I do think it was “public outcry” that caused them to step up to the plate.
Oh, I was contacting back in the days of Zoning too. I’ve found the follow up and keeping the complaintant up to date to be drastically improved. I also, think they are working more with the citizens making the calls that report violations. I really think they are to be commended for their efforts over the past couple of years. They continue to record number of calls from citizens. I always send “photographic evidence” with my complaints.
DNA analysis. tee hee! No I’ve seen public peeing from time to time throughtout my life on this block. Nothing new, and it’s not going away. Oh well. I’ll just have to laugh about it.
I must Supervisor Stirrup and his staff where instrumental in getting a meeting set up with Michelle Casiato with the residents. I am very thankful his and staffs efforts. It really made an improvement.
We all walked away with a much better understanding of what NS is faced with. I would also, add Michelle Casiato walked with a better understanding of the citizens in this area. You know a large portion of calls to zoning are right here in the 20109 zip code.
Censored,
Excellent observation by your comment at 4. January 2009, 8:54.
I think there are people who just feed on anger. They have to be pissed off over something. A few velvets come to mind but the condition is not limited to them, for sure.
Watering the lawn…snicker…haven’t heard that one for a few years. I am drawn to 3 ideas. 1. the old man is doing it because he is an old man and he can. 2. He is marking his territory or showing contempt, like a dog. 3. The old man is in the early stages of dementia. If that is the case, it isn’t that unusual.
Does this old guy have family or does he live alone? Perhaps the family needs to be paid a visit.
The man lives with his wife. I’ve lived with dementia & Alzhiemers, and I don’t think that’s the case.
I’m starting to wonder if he might not being “hitting the hooch”. This was an individual lost their license in the 70’s and wasn’t able to drive until the mid 80’s again. In fact, we both got our license about the same time. I do plan on paying his wife a visit. She will not be happy at all. She’s one of immigrant neighbors that’s been a US Citizen, and votes for decades now. She’s from Germany. I’m not going to get too, too worked up over this. As I’ve said this is NOT the first time I’ve seen “unbecoming behavior” from this man. I do want to get along with all my neighbors.
Numbers One and Two above both apply.
“I’m starting to wonder if he might not being “hitting the hooch”.”
Chris, that was the source of the problem in my neighborhood as well. Booze lowered the inhibitions and filled the bladder.
I left off being a drunk. Sorry. Should have added a 4th option.
Robert L. Duecaster has no decency and knows no shame which is evidenced by his diatribe on an American mother and her child. Much has been made on the dark screen about Alanna supposedly calling her children anchor babies. Such is not the case. Her words were to the effect;
According to Robert L. Duecaster on Bvbl (5 Jan 2009 at 5:03 pm: )
Mrs. Almeda is an American born citizen of the United States as are her children. Her husband is a documented immigrant. Her children are not ‘anchor babies,’
To attack people’s families is unconscionable; to single out their children is to exist without honor. In a world where we use civilized manners and apply the laws of decency, people do not direct these sorts of tirades to people’s families simply because of political disagreement.
On that same blog, a thread below where you can find Deucaster’s nasty harangue, there is a thread containing much whining and outrage over a troll remark about the blog owner, Greg LeTiecq’s children. Why do these same rules not apply? Most people find both totally unacceptable. Oddly enough, on BVBL, it is fine to make rude remarks about Alanna and her children and heinous to make rude remarks about Greg’s children. I would say it is wrong to do both.
Thank you ISO Decency for posting your comment here. Robert Duecaster is just a sad human being, to be so hateful and angry.
Duecaster is a racist nutjob and everyone who knows his name also knows this.
Don’t sweat it, Alanna. You know the only reason why they’re so enraged is that you’ve stolen their thunder. They had delusions of grandeur once upon a time. Now they’re nothing. They blame you and they ought to. So you got like 8 or 10 people really angry at you, and the rest of the county is tremendously in your debt.
The hypocrisy is totally amazing. The bullying continues. I just read the thread and the lies over there continue. I don’t know if it is intentional or if some don’t know any better. Some, not all.
Duecaster, monkey and a few others should be ashamed of themselves. UFB.
Justin T is right. When you see the swarming and frothing there on the dark screen, know that you have hit a nerve. Most of the county respects Alanna. There is a small contingency who are in a mindset all of their own who obviously do not appreciate her efforts to force our county to look at a problem with compassionate conservatism. Not every issue can be bull dozed through.
I actually think 95 percent of the county would not recognize Alanna’s name. And, until this Washington Post article, 90 percent had never heard of either blog. But, the people who follow county government and know what’s been happening the past year all appreciate Alanna for rescuing the county from the undue influence of BVBL.
That is why racist nutjob and the rest of the crazies are crazier than usual.
ISO Decency,
I hope your moniker is NOT why you went to bvbl.
Shock jock is for radio. What is comparable for blogging. As for BVBL, decent people don’t go there.
Can you imagine what
Nancy Regean would think of those two! The most conservative blog in VA! LOL.
Marriage of convenience? What the hell is that? What an old fogey term that means nothing. I would say a close to 20 year marriage, a house in the country and 4 kids is hardly a marriage of convenience.
How dare some supercilious fools think they can stand in judgement of someone else’s marriage and family. Marriage and family are the cornerstone of our society. Yet people, under the guise of calling themselves conservatives, attack the very foundation, the building blocks of our society because Mrs. Almeda married an immigrant? Many people have married immigrants.
The truth is, people do not like Mrs. Almeda because she insists that our county treat people with respect and that they not be reduced to sound bites and called names. That’s really all its about. Some folks don’t like being held to that high of a standard.
Excellent post M-H!!!!!!
Family values must be the cornerstone of the republican platfrom that some on BVBL, like its owner, must have forgotten!
Well MH it can’t get much lower than this. You can’t teach or shame people like them. They are devoid of any breeding and nothing can make up for what is missing genetically.
Apparently some of the last remaining faithful on BVBL are having a hard time coping with an African American President plus a front page article hailing stay-at-home Moms/activists Alanna, Elena, and Katherine.
They must be tearing at their own faces, reducing themselves to a puddle of blood, as they try to notch up the hate beyond the hate they’ve sustained for two years.
They don’t know how else to cope with January 20, 2009, and it’s just going to get worse for them every day afterward for 8 years.
I love it!
They should implode soon.
Poor old ch!cko the sicko has done some shape shifting. Throw that guy a banana. He is going to end up being a cheetah next.
That’s mighty quick shape-shifting. I suppose that was more like cloning. How is that banana? Is it true that cheetah’s don’t change their spots?
Lots of criticism of Alanna and Elena for their activism because they are mothers. Mothers have changed the world over the course of history because they want a better world for their children.
Hypocrisy seems to be on a roll. Old grouchy-looking deportem goes to meetings every night is seems at least if she is to be believed. Isn’t she a mother? She spoke of her kid being leered at by those big bad Mexicans.
It must be A-ok for her to be an activist but not Alanna and Elena. ”
You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:5
Gospel Greg II reporting in, with love.
Thanks black velvet reporter, it’s nice to know that people notice the hyprocrisy over on BVBL
Leftie is still complaining and acting all innocent because we dare to mention her name.
She needs to learn that what goes around, comes around. yes, that is gradeschool. She should have learned it then. Learning curve must very steep.
Its pretty simple. Leave the people here alone and you will be treated in kind, missy. You cannot talk trash various places and not expect to have it returned. And I expect you are blaming the wrong person. You do not know me at all.
Black velvet reporter, you are the pot calling the kettle black… and yes, I do know you. You live two streets away from me.
Hypocrite? I think not. You quoting the bible to me is hypocritical.
Good day!
@Loudoun
Everyone KNOWS that individual can’t write like black velveteen reporter, and NOT known for quoting the bible. You’d be wise to listen to black velveteen reporter.
Move on, nothing to see here. You’re
No LouLou, you don’t know me.
Don’t assume. Don’t guess. It causes frown lines.
I am assuming you are aware of karma. You need to treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. How about that?
Chris - you told me before that you were information only. So quickly you forget…
And I also know you because at one time we were friends. I know your writing style (missing words, misspelled words, etc.), and the fact that you frequently use the term “missy.” It doesn’t matter which moniker you use, I always know when it is you.
I know the Golden Rule and live by it. I don’t go around badmouthing you on bvbl.
So how about you take your own advice?
Good day!
Allison,
You stopped being my friend. Missy is not a term I use, that’s someone else of an older era than I. I can assure, not that you care or believe me, I am NOT black velvet reporter. I have more important things to do than look at, let alone report on bvbl.
I would not out your moniker on bvbl.
I truly am sorry you feel so angry at me. I started to say hello to you last week, and you turned your head. I would not turn my head you attempting to exchange a greeting.
Please, life is too short for this BS.
Shiver me timbers! Chris is not back velvet reporter. Chris is not every screen name on anti nor has she had a sex change operation. And no Loudoun, you don’t treat others as you would like to be treated unless you are a masochist, but whatever turns you on.
Would you like for someone to point out your writing flaws, just as an example? Do you consider that kind, decent, golden rule-like?
Actually, after trash mouthing the admins of this blog you really have one hell of a nerve even coming over here.
Had one of the administrators been aware of this outting, loudoun, your remarks would have been taken down. We do not allow outting of readers or guessing about others. It serves no purpose. This really isn’t the place to air your perceived problems with Chris.
Chris, please let one of us know if this behavior continues. We don’t check the roll over threads all that often. Had you not answered, the remarks would have been removed.
The three of us will try to be on the look out for this type of harassment in the future.
“Loudon”,
I am not sure what your goal is coming here, but it is clear you have nothing positive you would like to add to the conversation.
The Torah says “you shall love thy neighbor as thyself”, a rabbi, Hillel, at the turn of the common era explained that this phrase within the Torah had an even deeper meaning and that once you understood that primary foundation, you could then move on to study the remaining laws contained within the Torah.
You see, your “neighbor” is your fellow human being, be they white, black, hispanic, legal, or “illegal”, we all bleed red.
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Someone who is a regular reader of this site forwarded to me nasty postings on this blog about me. I came here to refute those nasty posts.
I have not harassed anyone. Yet the harassment on this site against members of HSM, certain membrs of Neighborhood Watch, and bvbl posters is continuous. How hypocritical can you get? Obviously I disagree with your opinions on illegal immigration, as you disagree with mine. Rick Bentley disagrees with you as well. Are posts written to Rick like the above-referenced posts were written to me? No. Why not? Because you are hypocrites.
There is only one person on this blog who knows my screen name on bvbl, and that is [name removed]. Therefore, it is logical when a poster here attacks me and that poster infers personal knowledge about me, then I know who that poster is, regardless of what moniker that poster uses.
I don’t need any religion lessons. The Bible also tells people to obey the laws of the land. Illegals don’t do that. I don’t care what color or religion a person is - if they are here illegally - they need to go back to their own country.
Please stop with the holier than thou attitudes, won’t you?
Good day!
People on this blog have various opinions about immigration, both legal and illegal. It would be very difficult to assign a general blog opinion on illegal immigration. The broadbrush does not work here.
There are a few people who still comment on both the dark and light screens. I would say that many people know your identity both places. Remember, many people here were originally on bvbl.
It is unreasonable to ask people to allow ugly remarks to go unchallenged, regardless of where they were made. I sure didn’t see a ‘nice article, Alanna and Elena’ out of you on Jan. 2. Perhaps if you had, the dynamics would be different.