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Nothing like using the holidays as an excuse for an anti-choice screed…

What a sore loser. Do we remember Chris Royse? He was that Pillsbury Dough Boy who showed up at Citizens’ Time each of the last 10 BOCS meetings before his pathetic showing in the 2007 election. He would always give the same nitwit campaign speech. Always the same! County staffers used to mouth the words to make fun of him.

I won’t even respond to the argument that people of any particular religion should be restricted to any particular political party. Obviously the consecutive defeats were too much for Dough Boy to take, and he’s lost any sense of pride he had left.

My, my, my. It has been many years since Christians persecuted one another simply because they had another point of view. It is un-Christian. In fact it clearly has nothing at all to do with religious faith of any kind.

This is zero percent about religions faith and 100 percent about politics.

Chris Royse looks at the calendar and sees the birthday of Jesus Christ is around the corner and what does he do? He announces that this is a good time to use religion as a political weapon to attack people?

It reminds me of a cheap shot taken by our BOCS Chairman at the V.O.I.C.E. event.

The religious community had organized against anti-immigrant political maneuvering. In fact, we are repulsed by frauds like Chris Royse and Corey Stewart who see no worth to any issue unless it divides people and invites lost souls to turn their fear and frustration into hatred.

It appears that Mr. Royse is just trying to keep that old Rep. “wedge issue” alive for the next election cycle.

“Judge not, and you shall not be judged: condemn not, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven.” –Luke 6:37

Chris Royse, I know you are disappointed, but it is time to forgive Frank Principi for Barack Obama’s victory. In case you didn’t notice, Mr. Principi was not the only American who voted for him.

Chris Royse, this is the holidays. There is no election coming up. Why are you practicing politics at attacking a fellow Catholic?

Chris Royse, if you really want to be a politician when you grow up, I suggest you come up with something to say besides “here is a good reason to hate.” Whether it be immigration or abortion, there is more to politics than judgment, resentment, and hate.

Chris Royse, you need to come to terms with the fact that voters in Virginia are no longer foolish enough to be led by the nose by your “wedge issues.” National security, the economy, education, health care and many other issues are more important.

That letter was over the top. Actually, it really has nothing to do with someone being pro-choice. Mr. Principi is pro-life and has stated so even back during his campaign. (see link) What Royse is saying, in essence is, that if you don’t vote democrat then you lose communion. That really isn’t up to him to say.

There is one Catholic church in the nation that has come up with the same plan.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/11/priest_says_no.html

I suspiciously am thinking that someone who shall go unnamed is giving Mr. Royse some real bad campaign advice. There is no way he can win in PWC once the voters find out he thinks he can report people in order to make them lose their communion privileges. That is just supreme arrogance. There is only one person who puts a spin on things that badly……….(fade to gray)

Witness Too,
You nailed it! Yes, this is un-Christian like behavior at it’s worst.

A true Christian would’ve wrote their thoughts on the reason for the season and left it at that. I guess when you have a case of what appears to be sour grapes, you resort to penning such letters.

I’m not Catholic, and I don’t think it’s Mr. Royse’s place to call on religious leaders to deny communion to those that which he(Mr. R) disagrees with.

I was very disappointed to read this in the paper the other. I read the actual paper, and don’t read online. However, after all this I will have to go there and take peek.

Oh, I will be using Lafayette on this thread. I have no desire to have my name confused with the “other boy Chris Royse”

corr: I have no desire to have my name confused with the “other Chris (boy)Royse”

I don’t think anyone’s learning anything new that Lafayette is Chris(poster on this blog)

The Bible isn’t particularly anti-abortion. It makes great pains to explicitly condemn the eating of shrimp (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/what_not_to_eat/lv11_03.html) and to tell you how much to pay a woman’s father after you rape her (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt22_23a.html) but nothing really on abortion.

Believing in the Bible in the first place is idiocy, believing in your own idiosynchratic interpretation of it is double idiocy. Being Catholic is I think a third form of idiocy.

Man, I’d forgotten who it was that Frank Principi spanked in the 2007 election. What a loser. This is how he puts himself back in the public eye?

Being that I’m a big fan of Frank Principi, I’d be happy to see Royse run again, except that Royse’s campaign would be so dirty and ugly that it would open up fissures in the community that I hope will have closed up by then.

But from a political standpoint, I’d love to see the Republican party nominate clowns like Chris Royse again and again. Meanwhile the Democratic party will continue nominating competent, intelligent, reasonable, and practical public servants in the future. Where did you find Chris Royse, Corey Stewart? Please, send us more demagogues for sound spanking in odd-year elections!

The comments section for that article are running 10 to 1 against the guy(Royse).

I guess the Dough Boy Ploy has backfired.

I must say this does not surprise me coming from Mr. Duecaster. This was one of the more sane comments I read when I visited the newspaper,and he’s also, posted there.
I agree with his second sentence completely

I didn’t realize that the newspaper comments section had the nastiness seen on blogs. I should’ve known the ugliness has spread to all public forums. I can only imagine what someone that’s not from around here must think when the visit the Messenger for local news and read some of those comments. They must think this is one anger community.

corr: ANGRY communitiy.

“They must think this is one anger community.”

It sure as F@#* is, out where the common people live.

Lafayette, you don’t have to change your tag name, LOL!

Chris Royse has disgraced himself, not all people named Chris!

To explain: “Chris” announced above that she was changing her moniker to “Lafayette” because she didn’t want to be confused with Chris Royse.

The bible doesn’t mention abortion at all. One must interpret.

However, Mr. Principi’s position is clear. Royse has one hell of a nerve questioning his word.

That is a real slime ball way of getting your name in the paper. I would liken it to putting plastic dog barf in a Christmas card. NC!

Rick,
I live amongst the common people. There’s nothing elite about WestGate, trust me.
Agreed there are still some angry in the community, but I do not think the entire community as a whole is as angry as the things I read. As things continue to improve within the communities the anger will fade. There will always be those that are angry about something.

NotGL.,
Thanks, for the laugh it’s much needed

I just can NOT be confused with this man’s opinion on this issue. Well, I’m an Independent, and do not want to be accused of being a Republican or a Democrat.

Principi fights for the rights of his constituents to kill chickens in their backyard … Royce cries for the unborn because he thinks the Pope told him to … do I have a third option here?

I see. If you had posted as “Chris” on this thread, people might have thought it was Dough Boy coming on here to do damage control.

I wish he would.

Where are you, Dough Boy? Too scared to exchange a few words with people who can answer you uncensored?

NotGL,
Thank you, and you are right.

Maybe, he’s like all those others that love to chant “I don’t blog. I only read”. Yeah, effing right! I don’t think most if any buy that BS line for one minute. imho.

I think Royse might be the last person you would bump in to around these parts.

Oh I don’t know….stranger things have happened.

I think the Catholic Church (and all religious groups who dabble in politics attempting to make doctrine law and influence elections) should lose their tax exempt status.

I believe everyone is free to believe what they want; however, once they cross the line and attempt influence political outcomes as well as attempt to legislate doctrine into law they should lose their “free ride” on the public dime.

Chris Royse is off my Christmas (make that Holiday) card list for good!

I will send Chris Royse a lifesize cutout of Frank Principi this christmas.

Reminder, the Chris Royse spells his name with an “s” not a “c” like the car.

Meanwhile, here is a video where you can see who we’re talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db62JchGgOc

Rick Bentley said:

Believing in the Bible in the first place is idiocy, believing in your own idiosynchratic interpretation of it is double idiocy. Being Catholic is I think a third form of idiocy.

I hope you were joking when you said this, Rick.

The two Board members who are not afraid to stand up to Corey Stewart’s bullying, snarling, and manipulating are both Catholic: Frank Principi and Maureen Caddigan.

I am thankful that Catholics are known to speak their mind. Catholics have contributed much to our democracy over the centuries. Whether I agree with them or not on certain issues, I think that a religious person should have the same right as anyone else to speak their mind.

The only place where I am uncomfortable with religious people voicing their opinion is when they start to get intolerant like Chris Royse sounds in his letter.

It is just frightening for me when people try to use religion in an intolerant way for political purposes because if you look at world history and current events, it can often happen that a charismatic religious leader can lead people down some pretty dark paths. Intolerance is always the first step down that that path. Shame on Chris Royse!

Mackie,
LOL!! Good one!!
Now, see isn’t that better than posting a youtube.

“I think that a religious person should have the same right as anyone else to speak their mind.”

Absolutely. I am not trying to curtail freedom of speech.

But I’m serious about finding it (religion, catholicism) completely idiotic and unapolegetically saying so.

If grown adults went around believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, am I not supposed to say anything about it that makes them feel silly? Well that’s how I feel about Catholicism, Mormonism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Scientology, etc.

Rick Bentley, are you Christopher Hitchens in disguise? (=

So Duecaster is disgusted by Chris Royse humiliating himself.

Corey Stewart, who is Chris Royse’s master, is silent on the issue so far. But let’s recall what Stewart said in the Washington Post about religion and politics:

“We don’t need them as an intermediary. They need to do what they do best: serve their congregants and attend to their denominations and not get involved in partisan politics.”

So of the three most notorious right wing extremists in Prince William County, that leaves only Greg Letiecq to defend him, and defend him he is.

How do you like that for a fracture within a fracture of a faction of the Republican party. Two of the three most notorious right wing extremists in PWC disagree with Chris Royse’s desperate act of sour grapes/hate politics. And only Greg Letiecq, the most disgraced, most humiliated, and most discredited politician in the land is willing to defend him.

Nice going Dough Boy.

No, and I’m not a big fan of his, but I see the similarity, thanks. I read one of his books, a ranting screed about the Clintons, and it was hard not to be entertained by his invective. I can only produce it in small doses.

Rick, do you feel the same way when religion is called upon to justify prejudice toward gays and lesbians?

I read Hitchens’ book “The Trial of Henry Kissinger” and it was great!

Rick, I do agree with you that there is too much “faith-based” thinking in political decisions like how we vote or what issues we advocate for. I can’t for the life of me understand how, in a time when there are two wars and and an economic crisis verging on depression, people want to spend their time and money and votes on social issues like gay rights or abortion.

Hating gays or targeting pro-choice people is not going to solve any of the problems we face as a country, or as a county. What’s the point if the only impact someone like Chris Royse is going to have is injected more hate into an already tense and unhappy landscape?

Yes. Or even when it’s used to justify not eating meat on Fridays. Or even when it’s used in more cheery and positive ways.

The use of fairy tales is having a negative effect on the human race. No one thinks that naything bad can happen, the polar caps are melting, and we ruined the ozone layer in part for the sake of hair spray. Let’s stop teaching kids that some God is going to fix it all if we just pray to him/her hard enough.

This is wrong on so many levels and since I am a Catholic I will recuse myself from this discussion except to say that this is the first time I have actually witnessed one Catholic making a public judgement regarding a sacrement on another Catholic since Jackie Kennedy married Aristotle Onassis…… But that was because she violated the re-marriage aspect of divorce. Do you think Mr. Royse condems all Catholics who violate church teachings or just the ones he likes. As someone said somewhere, accepting all the teachings of a religion is mighty difficult. It is so much easier to pick and choose. But faith is not supposed to be easy – if it was people wouldn’t die for it.

I think MH summed it up quite nicely but not as directly as I will. Clearly Greg is losing his control in the community and this is an pathetic attempt find new people to control. Greg’s hatred of Gerry Connolly is well documented along with his hatred of Principi. Sooo…. Greg, if this is the best you can do, you are slipping man. Even Advocator bailed on this one……. Marshall and Royse, now there’s a winning team for Virginia.

“I can’t for the life of me understand how, in a time when there are two wars and and an economic crisis verging on depression, people want to spend their time and money and votes on social issues like gay rights or abortion.”

I’ve thought about this a lot. i thought about it a lot after watching the 2004 election, slack-jawed at what happened and at the re-election of Bush.

I believe we are at such a level of comfort and decadence that many of us have a luxury our ancestors didn’t. We don’t have to care so much any more about what’s real. we can live in myths and vote based on myths, and it’ll still probably work out okay for us.

The Iraq occupation had little in it for the average Bush voter, but they clung to myths almost desperately (Iraq had WMD, Kerry will cut-and-run, bush is a strong leader). I believe that the myth sold here was “we are good people who will sacrifice for good over evil, like the ‘Great generation’ did in World war II” and that the American people cared more about that myth and about feeling like heroes than they did any semblance of reality. it meant even more to them than their own economic security.

And let me get this in – I said it on the other board, and think it quite nice – perhaps it’ll turn up in bartlett’s quotes someday -

Combining politics and religion is, to me, like mixing feces and urine in a bucket … they both get arguably worse …

I’ve never notice bvbl being the great defender of Catholics, let alone like the thread today. Hmm. I’ve seen many nasty comments about All Saints Catholic Church on bvbl. Any ideas what may have caused such a change of heart?

Rick

I don’t pray to a God to fix things. Free will and all. I do pray to a God for guidance and strength. Anything else is a myth, I agree. Religion is the opium of the people when it follows the myth route.

Church is an outward sign of religion, the way you live is an outward sign of faith/spirtiuality. There is a huge difference. Showing public community involvment is one very very small aspect, how you live, how you treat people this is faith or spiritualilty or morality and is really all that is important.

It is easy to spot the ones who believe in the big show on Sunday, but can’t carry it past the church foyer on the way out.

Laf

No heart involved. See my post at 15.50

Rick and Juturna, you both have represented your view well. Thank you.

Juturna, this one takes the cake:

Clearly Greg is losing his control in the community and this is an pathetic attempt find new people to control. Greg’s hatred of Gerry Connolly is well documented along with his hatred of Principi. Sooo…. Greg, if this is the best you can do, you are slipping man. Even Advocator bailed on this one.

Yes! They are seeking new people to control. Corey Stewart did the same when he grasped at the abortion straw recently. Greg Letiecq and his followers are seeking new people to control.

When you allow someone to make you hate, you give your power away. You allow liars like Corey Stewart and Chris Royse to control you.

I think there are very few people who are so willing to give their power away. If hate and resentment are the motivation, then the cause is never worth giving your power away.

Its not like they are going to outlaw abortion in PWC so what is the point other than anger

We call angry religious zealots terrorists don’t we?

Juturna,
What about “send them back with love”?
Are you saying that didn’t come from the heart?

I don’t know about anyone else, but reading all of this, I am starting to feel sorry for Mr. Letiecq. It’s hard to believe that this is what he’s been reduced to. He once had platform and the respect of a lot of people. Now he’s lost both. In fact, he is now the opposite of both. That must feel really awful.

At least Chris Royse never achieved any influence. He doesn’t have to cope with or try to explain what led to a precipitous fall.

That was a despicable use of religion. In fact that tape reviewed by a few behaviour analysts was verra telling.

Who reviewed what tape? Behavioral analysts and what?

ShellyB,
Here’s the tape in case you aren’t familiar with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAWEMOgAJw
I’m too am intrigued by Juturna’s post.

You don’t think experts have reviewed that tape?

I have colleagues in the field who have made unofficial opinions.

No feeling sorry for Greg Letiecq allowed. (=

Seriously, he is a radical right wing extremist, possibly a fanatical religious zealot, otherwise he’s just a fraud. He defends radical right wing extremists like Chris Royse because he wants radical right wing extremism to rule over the rest of us.

His views were always radical, even when the rest of the county was blinded by the fog of anti-immgrant hysteria, the man was way out there on the edge of insanity with his extremist political views. Those views have not changed. They were always counter to American ideals, they were always hateful and offensive.

Stewart, Stirrup, Letiecq, Duecaster, and Royse. There are five of them who stand out and will stand out in history as the most outrageous extremists of this decade and maybe this century in PWC. They have five or so followers remaining faithful to them, and that makes 10 of them. The fact that their views are so extreme that they are now in such a minority is no reason to feel sorry for them.

Oh, that tape. Yeah, that was the first I ever saw of Gospel Greg. But what’s the analysis. I’d love to know. I have my own theories but have never shared them.

What about “send them back with love”?

Wasn’t that Stirrup and Stewart’s economic plan – send all the illegal immigrants back to their countries? But…they took their bucks with them. Now we have all these foreclosures.

Juturna, that Gospel Greg tape and the one where he bragged about inundating the BOCS with FAIR-generated emails were his undoing. Pride goeth before a fall…

NGL, I think Chris Royse is more of a follower than a leader in the right wing extremism gang of 10. But with that horrific video in mind, I should have said I ALMOST feel sorry for Greg.

Horrific video? He speaks gospel truth in it. It WAS/IS the main issue of interest to his constituents, and even as he was speaking the illegals WERE exploited by those around them.

Father Bob to me is the imbecile in the video.

You know, lost in all of this is the fact that Principi is pro-life / anti-choice. I am pro-choice, but I respect Principi for being able to stand up for what he believes in. If he weren’t courageous enough to do that, we’d still have the unconstitutional version of the Immigration Resolution on our books, and probably being sued by the U.S. Department of Justice.

I guess the “Dough Boy Ploy” (Chris Royse’s attack on Principi) is tantamount to attacking a pro-life Democrat like Harry Reid and saying you can’t be a Democrat and be pro-life. But Royse is especially disgusting to me because he is trying to impose his political views on someone else’s religious faith.

Rick, we have a miscommunication here. The “horrific video” I meant was the one where Greg Letiecq talks about how God put Corey Stewart in office and therefore we should not question him. Send them back with love was slimy and disingenuous, but to me the problem is that certain leaders are somehow god-like. Yucky yucky scary scary.

As for the Royse video, he was just being a political opportunist like any pea-brained politician would have been during that unfortunately divisive time in our county history. Ironic, though isn’t it, that Royse is followed by Father Bob?

I respect Father Bob as do most in the religious community of PWC, as does the BOCS except for Corey “god-like” Stewart.

Yeah, I did not know Principi was Pro-Life. I have no problem with a man who is genuinely religious extending God’s mercy to the unborn. The important thing is that he represent his belief as his own belief, and not the word of God to be imposed on others. The fact that his belief comes from God’s word is a personal matter, and not to be used for political exploitation.

I think the fact that Royse used religion to attack a political opponent says a lot about how he sees religion. It’s just another weapon to him. Sick, sick, sad, sad.

I had no idea that the Salvation Army was a religion. I learn something new everyday

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6409127

Anyway, I actually liked the bible verse Chris was quoting about being HUMBLED. It starts within ONESELF first. It is okay to speak of what you believe but to cast judgment and call for a public stoning/shunning is not the way to have someone with opposing views turn their ear up and open their heart.
I have actually learned a lot of things by wanting to understand where the other view is coming from first and finding the common ground.

SHellyB said:

The fact that Royse used religion to attack a political opponent says a lot about how he sees religion. It’s just another weapon to him. Sick, sick, sad, sad.

Using religion as a political weapon is EXACTLY what is wrong with Royse, and exactly what is wrong with the extremist wing of the Republican party. It is a problem within the various churches when leaders preach politics from the pulpit. That can be dealt with.

But when politicians preach religion with the official stamp of government, that’s when we all should be concerned. Religion cannot be used as a weapon by politicians!

We have lived by this wisdom in America since the founding fathers conceived of the separation of church and state. That’s why you find unanimity on this blog among conservatives and liberals, pro-lifers and pro-choicers: Chris Royse is out of line and out of touch. He should apologize to Principi and Connolly and retract his call to have them denied Communion.

“Rick, we have a miscommunication here. The “horrific video” I meant was the one where Greg Letiecq talks about how God put Corey Stewart in office and therefore we should not question him.”

Sorry. Okay I watched that one too. I don’t agree with Greg’s thinking in that segment at all, in regards to God electing public officials and the rest of us needing to obey. Nevertheless, I think that his leadership of HSM has been fantastic and that he has helped to rescue this community.

Red Dawn,

That’s a great point. The Bible quote idiot Royse used to justify his attack on Principi and Connolly can easily be turned against him.

He has foolishly allowed his sense of helplessness over Democratic victories to blind him to his own hypocrisy. In an incredible ill-timed act of poor sportsmanship after an election, Royse has tried to use the Bible to exalt himself, and he has been humbled.

Of COURSE a song comes to mind…lol

“The girl (me) can’t help it” -that is a song too but this is the one running thru my head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDyx10eukUI

“He should apologize to Principi and Connolly and retract his call to have them denied Communion.”

Why should he? Just because the touchy-feely political corectness we expect from politicians and candidates from either of our two corrupt major parties demands it? Let him have his opinion.

Okay Rick, I back down. I’m not demanding he apologize. But he ought to if he wants to remain a viable candidate for public office. This is backfiring on him big time and he needs to stop the bleeding.

I would think that that is somewhat true.

This is the better version! LOL…I didn’t recognize THAT MULLET….hah hah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30&feature=related

The issue of the unborn is an extremely important human issue. Unfortunately Mr. Royse utterly diminishes its importance — and perhaps reveals how important it really isn’t to him — by objectifying unborn innocents in order to score political points.

He’d have done better to discuss the children in PWC who are already born and who may be suffering, and then encourage people to take part in activities that could help them.

Especially during Christmas, where “good will toward men” is as foundational to this holiday as the “concept” of birth.

Wow. Two amazing things. Rick and NGL agree was amazing enough. But Robb Pearson that analysis of Chris Royse’s inappropriate use of his faith is SUPERB!!!

Not only does it show how unimportant the real issue of the unborn is to Mr. Royse, it also shows what a thoughtless and heartless person he is. Christmas time tells him he should attack people to score political points? That’s just beneath contempt.

I am pro-choice and make no bones about it. I am extremely offended on behalf of Mr. Principi who I know is not pro-choice. The same trashing and misrepresenting was done to Senator Colgan. It was unacceptable.

Mr. Royse’s letter to the editor was a cheap way to take a dig at someone who beat him in an election. I wonder if Mr. Royse will support his president come Jan 20.

This attack isn’t really about abortion. It is about attacking Frank Principi.

I suppose I am finding it odd that 2 men are hiding behind the shield of abortion. Corety did this in the VOICE gathering. Now Royse uses the same shield.
Does anyone else find this odd that both men hide behind what ultimately can only be a woman’s issue?

I’m a little surprised that no one is willing to defend Chris Royse on this other than Greg Letiecq. I should think that is a good sign. Perhaps the days of hate first think later are over in PWC, and over in America?

I agree Dolph. I stay out of the abortion issue myself, since there are so many other issues that make it obvious to me that I am support sound policy over social issue fake posturing.

That said, I do respect Mr. Principi and others who take stands on this issue as a matter of faith. And the fact that most of us didn’t know that he was pro-choice means he is not the type of leader who imposes his faith on others. Nor is he the type to use faith as a political weapon like Mr. Royse.

Dolph,
How nice to see you here! Did you decide to make a big splash when you saw
Lafayette?

I sure know we took a fair share of heat over the issue of abortion back in the bvbl days. I’m with you. Where do these mean get off thinking they know what’s best for pregnant female? This is somehting they’ll never have to worry about. At this point I think these kind of men wanting to inflict their religious beliefs on laws regarding women are the lowest of low. Maybe, they fantasize of being a woman.

Opinion, today I am going to agree with you.

Rick, You aren’t going to get the gasping and awwwwking over here when you make anti-religious marks. You have the right to think all religion is hooy if you choose. So the shock jock treatment won’t work.

As for Royse apologizing to Connolly and Principi–I don’t expect it to happen but it should and you know why it should. You are a smart enough guy and none of us need to paint you a picture. If I deliberately misrepresented you and lied about you, should I apologize?

Witness, it does look like Greg is the Lone Stranger out there defending Royse. For all we know, he talked him in to doing it. Stewart and Stirrup are silent. Duecaster very politely suggested another method, (Duecaster was in immenent danger of becoming the darling of Anti for a few brief moments today), and only Greg is defending him.

Greg has his work cut out for him on this one because the entire letter is totally indefensible.

LOL!!!

in re to men hiding behind women, etc

I was looking for the origin to the saying : behind every great man there is a woman and found this…..I dedicate it to Mackie, my brother. Love your white sista xoxox

Taste the rainbow! LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmrNAfXtZmI

Wrong video!!!

Here is the taste the rainbow video…LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auuTYwaag9M

You all have got to check out Tyler Perry’s (aka Madea) plays/movies
here is another video I guarantee some laughs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMryEzCwflQ&feature=related

Royse won’t apoligize, CLEARLY it’s not his religion to do so. I am not sure, but I would imagine this may be the topic of a very interesting homily. I still can’t get over the fact he did this. The church is against re-marriage. Will Mr. Royse condem those that are divorced and remarried as well????? I just can’t figure out the motivation of this one other than sheer stupidity. Which convinces me he is a puppet.

Wow, first immigration divides the Republican party, and now abortion. They should split into two parties: the Republicans and the ultra right wing zealotricans.

Juturna, if Royse was ever a puppet, it was when he was giving Corey Stewart speeches at Citizens Time last year. Now I think the puppet has cut his strings now and is saying things that even Corey Stewart couldn’t condone. Royse sounds like a Taliban theocracy nut. Stewart is too smart politically to say something like that, or defend it.

Or were you saying Royse is a Greg Letiecq puppet?

Yes, he is a Letiecq puppet. Leteicq is madly searching for support for his agenda.

What on earth is Letiecq’s agenda? He is completely vanquished politically. I agree with previous posters that Letiecq is just looking for new ways to control people through their anger and fear.

A comeback? All his friends are now working for PWC on strategic teams…….. except him. Wonder why no one tapped him for a team? Something to ponder….

~splash~ yes hi Lafayette. Sorry I forgot to splash at you. Serious topic. Oh yes, I remember the misogynistic remarks. Who could forget. I am surprised we both weren’t burned at the stake.

I recall you were.

Dolph,
Serious topic, indeed! We will never forget!!
Oh God-less one! (That was the worst imho)
Juturna,
Not burned bad enough we still can’t make our voices heard.

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oh damn, this is my jam LOL !!!!!!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SymoyXbjTTo

Laf, that’s right, I was Godless. Or were you Godless? Or were we both Godless.

It’s too bad more people don’t ascribe to the live and let live philosophy.

~~splash~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nC5Lw8rGM8

I can’t decide which is more pathetic, Letiecq’s only friend is Royse, or Royse’s only friend is Letiecq.

Letiecq’s only real chance for a comeback is to move to a part of the country where he isn’t known and his tricks are still new.

YES, hello to Dolph! I check in from time to time..LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My manners are dull or our friendship is sound! I would say ( KNOW) our friendship is sound.

Now, back to business hand. Enough with the x’s and o’s for Dolph!
Red- Thanks, you know I enjoyed the Metallica!!

Dolph,
I’m pretty sure we were BOTH called God-less!! I do have those exchanges copied. That just shows they don’t have a real argument. They would much prefer to come of holier than though. I sure hope they don’t think they are fooling anyone. If there are two that are ready and willing to battle this issue it’s surely the two of us.

Ohhhhh SNAP! For MUSIC purposes ONLY…well,I do have to get in the bed .It is BRUTAL out there or will be to have /keep a J.O.B!!!!

I am signing off with this song .
Good night!

ASK your FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHY!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jACrmwTsi08

Change hurts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA3mOT8L4Eo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1T8xgHdMEM

My last word on this one: We should be mindful not to allow our criticisms of Mr. Royse to bring us to the point of imitating the very same ungraciousness he employed.

Instead, if our criticisms are to have any merit whatsoever, we should be doubly gracious toward him.

Tis the season. So let’s live it authentically rather than merely talk it up when we see others trip (no matter if it is over their own feet).

A true Catholic and self professing supporter of life would have opposed Obama and Connelly, Principis support of Connolly puzzled me because of the way Connolly attacked Fimians Pro-Life stance among other attacks on His Catholic Faith.

PWConservative, is it up to God or man to decide who is a true Catholic and who is not? All day long I have been getting this feeling that some were trying to see who was more Catholic than the other.

I would think that a ‘true’ Christian would leave the politics out of their religion. I guess that would be too much to hope for.

In a pluralistic society where many religions exist side by side, we just can’t have this kind of behavior. It reminds me of the Taliban. Churches should be free to tell their own parishoners how to behave but that is where it stops.

if nothing else, take a look at what has happened recently to the Episcopalian Church–modern day schism.

I do have sympathy for Mr. Royse, not because I am a secularist who opposes abortion, but because I recognize the pain he must have suffered over this past year. Those who have never run for office cannot fully understand what it is like to lose an election for public office, and to have your hopes dashed in such a public manner.

Clearly, he has not fully recovered from being rejected by voters in the Woodbridge district election last November.

In addition, Mr. Royse saw the Immigration Resolution on which he staked his campaign, significantly curtailed as it was only a few months after its implementation, woefully fail our county. And last month, the repudiation of anti-immigrant candidates in the Republican primary, the defeat of the anti-immigrant legislators in the U.S. House, and the election of a pro-immigrant African American man as President must have pushed Mr. Royse over the edge.

I do not condone the tactic Mr. Royse employed to lash out against Mr. Principi, the man who won the election that began Mr. Royse’s downward spiral. It was childlike, transparent, and insulting to both religious people and secularists who oppose abortion.

During the past 8 years, I have learned that being personally against abortion does not necessarily mean setting all other challenges and issues aside, nor does it mean blindly throwing support to whichever candidate utters the strongest pro-life sound bytes.

When it comes to the abortion issue, sound bytes during election season rarely translate to any real change in policymaking. After 8 years of Bush fiascoes, I am no longer willing to be manipulated by my personal aversion to abortion, because there is too much at stake when we make the wrong decision in selecting our nation’s leaders.

What is most puzzling about Mr. Royse’s private breakdown … made public in his letter to the editor … is that he justified and contextualized it with the Christmas holiday. As ineffective and empty as pro-life sound bytes have proven during election season, they are even more ineffective and empty when there is no election in sight. Christmas tis NOT the season for petty, inaccurate, and childishly vengeful hatchet jobs in news print.

Finally, I would never presume to define a “true Catholic,” a “true Republican,” a “true patriot,” or a “true American.” I’m not sure why we would listen to a defeated politician or a high school dilettante attempt to do the same.

WHWN,

I suppose the fact that the timing was completely bizarre is just one more indicator of how irrational Royse’s thought processes have become.

Why are these men all of a sudden joining the old abortion wars 20-30 late? It is just real hard to take 40-50 year old men like Corey Stewart and Chris Royse seriously when they start bemoaning that abortion exists or make out of context remarks like ‘the scorge of abortion.’

It is enraging for grown men to be using something that might just be the most gut-wrenching, tear-jerking, life-altering decision ever made in a woman’s life as a cheap political ploy.

Talk to a woman– young, old, affluent, poor, educated, drop out–facing an abortion, for whatever reason. Spare me the platitudes. There are none.

Spend the afternoon with a child–any child–whose mother might have not had the resources to make the decision for that child to be there, with you. Priceless.

I’ve read that letter again. I see very little in it to do with Christmas, and whole boat load of bashing one’s fellow Catholic.

MH
Why don’t these people understand “pro-choice” is just that, and I don’t believe anyone is “pro-abortion” as these right-wing right to life zealot types scream. I know many that personally oppose abortion, but they do not feel it’s their place to tell another person what they can and can’t do with their body in such a manner. Therefore they are “pro-choice” Especially, when they are men or should I say of the male gender.

Alanna, the sad thing is that many real people out there walk the walk instead of talking the talk…like the politicians do. We know who they are…the real people. Unfortunately, we are learning who the bs artists are also.

lafayette, I simply do not know why people do not know that pro choice is not pro abortion. Too bad that political issues are driven by the abortion question. I don’t believe it should be a political issue. It should be governed by individual conscience not a bunch of politicians(usually men) who want to score votes by appealing to an extremely emotional issue. How disingenuous.

Perhaps abortion is the ultimate wedge issue to use against women.

Shelly
You might be on to something. One day men will wake an see we don’t all want to be at home barefoot and pregnant.

Ladies,
We must all remember it goes way beyond the abortion issue. Here’s a little something regarding the morning after pill. Grrr!!!**Chemical love canals and frat boys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6k4RrKNk7s

Governor of Illinois arrested under allegations of massive corruption. If there’s one thing we can always rely on our government to produce, it’s corruption. But then again, who, in their right mind, expects honor among thieves.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94V8PE02&show_article=1

Lafayette, the truth is that Republicans get 40 percent of women. I wonder if their pollsters have found that abortion “talk” is a good way to cut into a constituency that is otherwise practical and forward thinking enough to chose the better candidate in elections.

That “chemical love canal” quote is perverse and embarrassingly uptight for any grown man, let alone a public official. My opinion of Bob Marshall has been falling steadily the more I learn about him. Thanks Chris and others for making this blog open to dissent (unlike the Gospel Greg blog) and engaging enough to keep us coming back despite the fact we are learning stuff!

I think perhaps the abortion wedge issue is directed at people who make judgments on issues based on moral or religious teachings that have very little to do with implementing the policies that would follow from from teachings. In that sense, it is not really a gender wedge issue. Like the gay rights and the immigration issues that Alanna sited, you will find that public opinion is divided among income and education levels more profoundly than gender or race. It is inaccurate, for instance, to say that people of color are more likely to support measures that block equal protection for gays and lesbians. Right wingers love to say that, but the truth is that people with lower income and lower levels of education support anti-gay measures (and people of color more often fall into those categories).

“It is enraging for grown men to be using something that might just be the most gut-wrenching, tear-jerking, life-altering decision ever made in a woman’s life as a cheap political ploy.”

I completely agree with Moon Howler although I am probably what most would call a pro life feminist. Men should stay out of it for the most part unless they are running for an office in which they will make decisions that affect this issue. It is sexist when these guys spend time discussing a women’s issue especially when it isn’t even applicable at the local supervisor level. Principi is pro life, but it wouldn’t bother me if he were pro choice because I’ve never seen a supervisor vote on abortion one way or the other. This was a cheap political ploy that only made Royse look like a dolt.

I don’t live in the Woodbridge district thankfully, because I don’t think I could have voted for Royse at all. He completely turns me off and this was just stupid.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for Mr. Royse, whether it’s Christmas or not.

If he is man enough to run for public office, he should be man enough to accept the will of the voters without having public meltdowns that embarrass our county. We can ill-afford to add yet another right wing politician to the Hall of Fame of embarrassing and idiotic extremist views.

If it were an isolated incident, that would be one thing. But when you combine the Chris Royse meltdown with the Robert “we are gonna repel this invasion” Duecaster, Corey “did you check the immigration status of the Spanish speakers you polled?” Stewart, Jeff “tell the voters Obama is a terrorist” Frederick, and Bob Marshall’s “chemical love canal” reference to young women’s genitalia on the floor of the Gen. Assembly, you begin to see a pattern that is not going to be easy to live down.

The only consolation is that Virginia can also be pointed to as the home of Virgil “anchor baby” Goode, Joe “hello, 911, this is not an emergency I just called to say the traffic is bad and f*** you” McCain, and George “Welcome to America, Macaca” Allen, so it’s not just our county, it’s the VA Republican party.

I wish that politicians who have a penchant for humiliating themselves would do so less often and less publicly.

Maybe in 2011, Corey Stewart and Chris Royse can run on a “Crackdown on Legal Abortion” ticket.

MMof5, could you have voted for Royse prior to this incident?

You know, if it’s at all true that Chris Royse is a puppet of Greg Letiecq, it might be unfair to fully blame him for this. We all remember how Corey Stewart lost the support of mainstream voters when he used Letiecq’s blog and the Washington Post to call Chief Deane a traitor to this country. Well, in both cases, you have Letiecq’s blog at the center of it. Stewart later said the attack on Chief Deane was Letiecq’s idea.

This attack on Principi/Connolly/Obama (all targets of Letiecq hatred) could have been Letiecq’s idea also. Letiecq may well have seduced Royse into making a fool of himself by exploiting Royse’s disappointment over losing to Principi. Someone suggested Royse come on the blog to explain himself earlier. Maybe he should.

We have no proof anyone is acting for anyone else. Royse has commented on the insidenova.com reader comments. I see no remorse. It was sort of a middle schooler response.

If Royse was seduced by Letiecq into doing something like this, it is his own fault and he and he alone is responsible. He is a little too old to be saying ‘Greg made me do it.’

What in general is Royse’s explanation in his Inside Nova comments? Are people over there as unhappy with his behavior as they are here? (Sorry one blog is enough for me).

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” –

— Mahatma Gandhi

I wouldn’t be surprised if Royse got the idea from Letiecq. Just another reason why Royse is unqualified for public office.

Great quote Juturna.

Thanks, well Ghandi gets the credit. It pretty much sums it up for me.

It it just me or have we opened the door to hate in PWC? All hate? Are we the Capital of Hatred.

I sure have missed alot these past two days!

Not much to say, I believe my sentiments have been covered here by most posters. Suffice to say, I do feel sorry for Mr. Royse, who clearly is so angry, that during at time of peace and joy, he himself is consumed with resentment.

I believe is it was also the Pope that suggested compassion and kindness toward all immigrants, including those who were “illegal”.

Great quote, Juturna. You unearthed it.

Royse basically said that Connolly attacked Fimian over Catholicism. That was his excuse. I can’t remember the name of the organization he belonged to at the moment.
Translation: The other guy did it first.

Yeah, Elena, good point. It is sad for Royse to be so resentful during Christmas.

I imagine for Catholics the most poisonous and vindictive thing a person can do is to impose themself to stand between a fellow Catholic and his relationship with God. This really says “I hate you” like nothing else Royse could have come up with.

It is sort of insulting to God. It says I don’t like what you did (in my own mind) so I am going to tattle on you to God.

No decency here. Just vindictive ugliness. Too bad. I thought Chris Royce seemed like a pretty decent fellow at one time.

What happened to the house-washed this weekend? Weren’t the red circles or the black velvets or a combination of the 2 going to wash grafitti over in Yorkshire? I haven’t seen those dish=pan hands black slapping and high-5-ing each other this week for a job well done.

Witness Too,
I caught this comment by Mr. Royse himself, and I have a question for him after reading that. Here’s the comment…

Posted by ( Chris Royse ) on December 09, 2008 at 11:03 am

Thank you “Hold Elected Officials Accountable.“ Connolly applied a religious test to Keith Fimian. Though I cannot prove his culpability, I can prove his complacency with their release. Those adds were horrible and incorrect. Be reminded, Connolly’s the one that brought the test of Catholic faith into politics this year, not me.

Well, Chris [Royse], since Connelly brought “the test of Catholic faith into politics this year, then WHY must you continue carrying on with the same type of low blows?

imagine for Catholics the most poisonous and vindictive thing a person can do is to impose themself to stand between a fellow Catholic and his relationship with God. This really says “I hate you” like nothing else Royse could have come up with.

I don’t this is exclusive to Catholics. Actually, the most poisonous and vindictive thing a person could do to me is make be justify my religious beliefs in the face of some wrongdoers in the church.

48 hours later, this entire issue just seems sad. Mr. Principi will in all probability still receive communion and Mr. Royse’s credibility is just a little less valid.

However, Mr. Royse has gained some name recognition which frankly, had been losing ground since the 2007 Supervisor election.

I simply think that Mr. Royse gained recognition as a mean-spirited extremist rather than as a potential candidate with solutions for the Woodbridge district for the 2011 election.

That’s it? Why bother to make an excuse if it’s just another political attack? This Royse character is digging it deep. Obviously this isn’t a religious conviction for Mr. Royse, it’s all political attacks all the time. Robb Pearson said it best, if he really cared at all about the abortion issue, he would use it for mean-spirited political attacks.

Also isn’t ironic, the fact that Catholic leaders oppose immigrant bashing as well as abortion, but Royse sees fit to immigrant bash when its immigrant bashing season, but then wants to deny someone Communion because of who they supported for President? What an immoral hypocrite.

Layayette, thank you for relaying the message, but Chris Royse should really post excuses for himself. No doubt he is reading every word we say, but dares not respond less he unleash a fresh round of scrutiny.

As we have discussed, Royse’s unfortunate lapse in judgment has exposed his lingering bitterness toward Supervisor Frank Principi stemming from the 2007 election. If indeed this quote is the only excuse Royse has rendered, he has only succeeded in underscoring this embarrassing revelation.

The Congressman-Elect has done his share to provoke conservatives in Fairfax and in Prince William County. But Prince William County’s freshman Supervisor Frank Principi has proven to be a competent and well-studied advocate for this county’s long term interests, as well as a formidable counterweight to our conniving and incompetent Chairman who, without such a rival in 2007, all but destroyed this county beyond any hope of recovery.

Though I am no fan of Connolly’s, I have to point out that any attempt to equate a political mailer with Royse’s shameful attack on Supervisor Principi is beyond ludicrous. Connolly’s mailers during the recent Congressional race made an issue of Fimian’s donors, which included organizations with strong pro-choice views (possibly bordering on sexism). In response, Fimian used Catholicism as both a sword and shield, accusing Connolly of attacking a faith they both share (?).

Royse here is taking the same tact, but his excuse … essentially that he is attacking Principi using the same tactic with which Connolly attacked Fimian … fails the smell test for two, even more obvious reasons:

1) This is not election season; it is the holiday season as Royse announces in the opening of his putrid letter. Frank Principi does not face reelection until 2011, and there is no guarantee that Royse will secure his party’s nomination to challenge him a second time. Frank Principi is Chris Royse’s District Supervisor; not his political opponent. Others have said that Royse’s attack was political in nature as opposed to religious. A more accurate characterization for Royse’s attack would be to call it personal in nature. This is truly, truly unfortunate.

2) It may go without saying but I’ll say it anyway. Principi was not a strategist in the Connolly campaign. So, if “But Mom, he did it first” is Royse’s excuse, then his Christmas bitterness card should have been directed at the Congressman-Elect; not at Supervisor Principi. Even if we accept the specious claim that Royse’s personal issues with Principi and Connolly’s electioneering are morally equivalent, the upshot of this entire fiasco is that Principi comes out looking like the bigger man, while Royse paints himself as small, petty, unscrupulous and unhinged.

whwn, wow. No argument here. You seem to have covered it.

I don’t believe Lafayette was delivering a message. That message was posted on the insidenova space and she brought it here for our convenience. I know there has been a lot of trouble with that site today. I think it had too much traffic or else people complaining about Royse’s message got marked as inappropriate. Sometimes that freezes your comments. I am not sure how it works but that is a famous trick that some people employ to shut down mainstream speech.

WHWN,
I’m with Moon, you covered it.

She was right about me just bringing the information over here. I can assure you, I was NOT making excuses for Mr. Royse.

I’ve been thinking about those adds for the Congressional race between Connelly and Fimian. I wonder if those adds that Mr. Royse is calling out were actually paid for and approved by Connelly or was that the work of the VA Democrats. Any thoughts? I do think this is something worth considering. I too am no fan of Connelly because of comments and attitude towards my native PWC.

It appears that Gospel Greg is attempting to become Pope Gregory the 69th and Justice Greg all in one fell swoop. Couple others are attempting to turn this Royse problem into anti-catholic bashing. Nothing could be further from the truth. Christians and non-Christians alike are appalled that one person would bash a fellow parishoner like this. Talk about UN-Christian behavior.

Looks like Pope/Justice Gregory is going to be real busy trying to sort out all of Catholicism and all of the Supreme Court to bail his friend Royse with Foot in Mouth out of this one.

BTW, Pope Gregory’s interpretation of Catholicism is something to behold. This must just be universal knowledge. Hiiiiisssssssssssssssss!

Mr Connolly has Fairfax ‘TUDE, Lafayette. Notice no one defending Frank Principi has shed one tear for Connolly. I should be a good person and stand up and say I defend him too. Ok. I defend Connolly too as far as communion goes. Done now.

I didn’t understand the people in Prince William County in Frank Wolf’s district with their Fimian signs. I figured they had drunk so much kool aid they didn’t know where they were.

The only people I saw with the signs were religious fanatics so perhaps Mr. Connolly was on to something. In fact, I know he was. Best expose before the election. Keith Fimian never had a chance. No radical Republican does now.

MH-
I would defend the communion part too, and nothing more. I’m not Catholic and don’t feel it’s my place to say who should and should not be given communion. I grew up in a church where we took communion weekly, and didn’t have to stop by a middle man’s confessional first.

Yeah, I saw some of those Fimian signs in WG/Sudley, and we’re not even in that Congressional district. I believe the fanatics will always flock together.

It’s almost over…almost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhbPVrb5KM

Lafayette, I will defend old Connolly on everything, even his Fairfax Tude. I don’t know much about him but I don’t like the communion threat on anyone.

Good grief. I feel like it is the middle ages. The Catholic Church doesn’t need that kind of bad publicity. Most people aren’t like that.

I don’t know anything about Connolly other than that he was unafraid of the Corey Stewart/Greg Leteicq team, even when they seemed to have a legion of followers (digital or otherwise). There were plenty of Dem’s who ran for cover in 2007. Connolly stood tall, took the heat, and won reelection while he was at it. I’m glad he is now my Congressman.

Supervisor Frank Principi has a letter to the editor in today’s News and Messenger clarifying his position as a pro-life candidate. It was a well-written letter.

The attack continues on the website and on the dark screen. Greg pretends he is an historian and pontificates about the expression ’seperation of church and state.’

Funny. When I was a kid, Catholics went out of their way to show everyone that they thought for themselves politically and their church and religion were independent of their politics. I have read where that was a bit road block with Kennedy. People feared the Pope would tell the politicians what to do and he would influence American politics.

Nowadays, militant Catholics want to lord Catholic edicts over people’s heads and control how they vote on political issues. It’s like the worm has turned 180 degrees in 50 years.

The JV Catholics (Episcopalians) aren’t in much better shape. They have a full blown schism going on over the ordination of an openly gay bishop.