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I think it’s important to note how well the McCain campaign person handled the situation. The gentleman clearly stated that they weren’t with the campaign.

Amazing, and not in a good way I might add. Those individuals weren’t doing anything to help their candidates campaign. They were clearly doing it a grave disservice. Why people what to waste such time and energy on stirring up this crap is beyond me. I’ve also, considered the possibility that those three individuals weren’t even really McCain supporters.

That was great! Thank you ANP, thank you Fontbonne, and thanks M-H!

The McCain campaign staffer said he ran for Congress. We can find out who he is. I hope he is local to PWC. I hope they are all local. Those citizens were just the type of people we need in this county. Not afraid to stand up to hate. I’m so relieved that the story out of that rally is that there is more COURAGE; not more hate, in PWC than at previous Palin/McCain rallies.

And Chris, I think it was the real deal. I could see it in their eyes. They were real haters, not actors.

One weird thing is that this was Saturday, and the Karl Rove strategists running the McCain campaign didn’t start with the “communist” and “socialist” hate crusade until today, am I wrong?

Is it a “communist” and “socialist” hate crusade, or a public awareness message? You decide! All I know is that McCain hasn’t been accused of connections to either group even by Obama supporters. As you say, the lesser of two evils…………

“Hate Speech?” Good Lord. See how easily you throw that term around? Is it racist, too? Of course it is. Everything is racist and all utterances are hate speech.
I’m actually glad you folks are out there discrediting your messages.

I’m PROUD of the anti-Hate and Anti-Stupid McCain folks attempting to thwart the spread of real, twisted Communism in this county. You’re welcome in my neck of the woods any time!

Long live Interfaith Justice and Truth! BRAVO!

“Public Awareness” would be exposing those who attempt to squelch free speech and the American ideal of belief in our nation which Obama HAS.

We don’t need anyone fueling the flames against our Middle Eastern brothers and sisters in this country, no matter what the war situation. If this is your destructive version of “free speech,” then take it somewhere else–the McCain rally isn’t the place for you. Neither is our county, for that matter.

Love how the liars are white and refuse to give their names. Bigots AND cowards who couldn’t even prove their own statements. WOW.

I think that this demonstrates a majority of McCain supporters (the ones running off 3 someones who are peddling hate). You have extremist on both sides but it seems to me like only the loons and morons from the far right get any “air time”.

Kind of off topic but I’m starting to see a pretty disturbing trend going on here at this site. I keep seeing more and more people saying things like “Love how the liars are white” and so on… It’s starting to pop up in just about every thread, so much so that it seems to be widely accepted. Is there any way we can stop the derogatory and sometimes hateful comments about “white” people. For people who claim to embrace diversity so much this kind of talk is anything but.

I believe that this is a result of John McCain’s leadership. Last week wasn’t the first time that McCain stood against ignorance among his supporters. Months ago he rebuked talk show host Bill Cunningham for inappropriate remarks at the cost of Cunningham’s support.

Now some McCain supporters are following his lead.

When you get down to it, McCain isn’t that bad of a guy. It’s disappointing though that during his campaign he’s pandered to the radical right wing of the Republican party.

SecondAlamo, do you agree with the implication on the phony Obama bumperstickers? Really? Apart from being obviously untrue, it is a ludicrous juxtaposition.

Obama has been simultaneously accused by the right of being a radical Muslim extremist of the Wahabi variety and a Communist Marxist. Never mind the fact those two categories are mutually exclusive. Oh, and he has also been accused of being a radical Afrocentric Christian, again mutually exclusive with the other two. This has been part of the kitchen sink approach: throw anything you have at him and hope something sticks even if it contradicts itself.

1. The speakers WERE white. So are GL, RD, JS, CS and CLAN. They make “white” people look like a-holes. I’m about tired of them misrepresenting my appearance. (Recall, I look “white.”)

2. The white speakers were slamming Muslims and African Americans. In fact they were slamming their fellow “white” people!

3. I’m the one who reported a recent MJM commenter for calling people “white trash.” That is wrong in my book.

SA and Slow, I am throwing up my hands up over both of you! This article was posted because I had been asked to post a video of Republicans doing the right thing. I thought I had done that. There is an incredible amount of nasty talk (or hate talk or whatever you want to call it) going on out there in election-land.

A mainstream, conservative Republican asked me to post this video. I gladly complied. There are many good and decent McCain supporters out there who have gotten a bad rep because of the actions of a few.

It sounds to me like you two side with the thug out there with the ‘radicalized’ Obama bumper stickers. And for the record, any jackass can have bumperstickers made up.

Mainstream and decency ruled the day here. I am sorry that offended you. Actually, no I’m not. I don’t give a crap. No matter what was posted, you would both find something to bitch about. Boo friggin’ Hoo.

Thanks, Fontbonne and Moon-howler, for providing this video. I saw a portion of it on AOL last night but didn’t know how to post it so that everyone could see it (AOL problem). I’m glad to see this extended version which shows more McCain supporters challenging those three loons who couldn’t even answer basic questions about what they were peddling.

Pinko (aka KG), I have no clue what you look like – keep in mind that your also the one the insinuated I was somehow afraid of vagina’s (fyi – I’ve dated black women, white women, Latino women and Asian women – I’m not intimidated by any vagina). I’m just pointing out what I see as a disturbing trend. From NGL saying that seeing a group of white people cheering creeps him/her out to your previous statement. I was trying to do it in a way not to call out any one person, just to point out a trend that nobody else seems to have a problem with. Isn’t that what was happening on the “other” site?

Damn, Pinko, you might have reported me. I use that expression frequently. There is such an over-abundance of it. You ought to see my PWT list! It’s getting longer and longer. That expression has been around a lot longer than either of us.

I don’t think the ethnicity of the crowd in the video is horribly important. The video is about decent people running off jerks. Their race, religion, gender is almost irrelevant. You could stick any color and any religion on any of the players.

The point is, the loons offended a diverse crowd of apparently decent people who took action and told the jerks to leave.

Moon-Howler,

Easy with the hate-speech!!!

Slowpoke, chomp!

http://www.searchingwolf.com/howl.wav

Well, like I had said, all the nuttiness and craziness will come out like fireworks during these final two weeks before Election Day.

This might be slightly off-topic (only slightly), but this type of “hate-baiting” using religion and race reminds me of a comment Rush Limbaugh made yesterday in an email about the Powell endorsement of Barack Obama:

Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race. OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I’ll let you know what I come up with.”

Source: click here

Elena, you and others had remarked in another post how the Republican party is basically killing itself from within. Well this foul race-focused comment of Limbaugh’s punctuates that fact, and I think a dedicated post on it (i.e., the Limbauh remark and the death of this generation’s Republican party) would be fantastic.

LOL! MH, I love that soundtrack! Perfect!

Nah, I didn’t report you, unless you post as phdee. I just think “white trash” is no different than BVBL calling ethnic groups “trash” and “vermin.” I’ve called MYSELF white trash as a joke (hell, I call myself a LOT of things as a joke) but I think it’s wrong to degrade other people based on their race and socioeconomic status.

That said, I notice things like race and ethnicity all the time, and some of my advanced studies are in sociology and gender. So I’m probably a little more focused on it than other people are. When I am in a group, I note who makes up that group and who is saying what to whom.

When someone acts like an idiot and they look like me, I don’t appreciate it. When someone has a vagina and acts like an idiot, I don’t appreciate THAT either. Why? Because idiots like to generalize by color, gender, socioeconomic status, disability, and any other thing they can get their hands on.

One Mexican man said to me, every time a crime is reported in the papers he prays, “PLEASE don’t let it be a Mexican! PLEASE don’t let it be a Mexican!”

Same thing here. “PLEASE don’t let people misrepresent my culture, appearance, beliefs, etc.”

I already told you I don’t like group behavior because it’s too easy for the individual to get misrepresented. This is another symptom if my mistrust in large groups (in particular, political parties).

Hello, you were so offended by reference to genitals, I was being ironic. Gentials are a part of life. Let’s not ass-ume people who talk about them are somehow vile or immoral.

I am not a MCCain supporter, but that was nice to see. Too bad that kind of thing couldn’t have happened 4 years ago. The country may not be as divides as it is today.

Pinko, I wasn’t offended by the reference to genitals, I was offended by the way you chose to talk about your view of Palin by saying that she was an embarrassment to any professional with a vagina. I’m sure there are plenty of women who like Palin because she is a successful woman while at the same time being a mother to such a large family, not an embarrassment to their gender.

Also, just curious as to the name change, any reason for it?

Poor white trash is actually about behavior and not about being poor. White is just a coincidence. A good source for understanding the classic PWT is out of Gone With the Wind. Emmy Slattery and her husband, Mr. Wilkerkson, former fired overseer at Tara, came riding up to Tara in a buggy, all decked out in finery post Civil War saying they were buying the place. They were seen as scalawags. <—southern carpetbaggers

Scarlet’s mother had gone down and nursed someone in Emmy’s family back to health, contracted a deadly disease and died. In her rage and trying to raise money for taxes, Scarlet picks up a handful of earth (Tara earth) and throws it in both of their faces and calls them ‘poor white trash’ and that the fist-full of dirt was all of Tara they would ever get.

Everyone who lives in the South should read or see the movie Gone With the Wind once. It explains things that make no sense otherwise. Having said that, poor white trash is not a term to be thrown around in public except in extreme cases.

It is not the same as calling someone vermin because it is totally behaviorally related. It has nothing to do with money.

There is something to be said for groups policing their own. In this case, it has gone on for centuries and might not be a bad thing.

Ladies and gentlemen: I proclaim “Hello” as the winner of the Most Hilarious “I Have Friends Who Are X” Statement Ever Made in the History of Time Award:

your also the one the insinuated I was somehow afraid of vagina’s (fyi – I’ve dated black women, white women, Latino women and Asian women -

I am rolling on the floor, back to my desk, then on the floor again laughing.

Robb, Rush Limbaugh is a hateful person blinded by his own hate dogma. The fact that he turned it against Colin Powell, and used race to attack him, is not at all surprising to me.

It reminds me of when Scott McClellan came out and started telling the truth after a year or so of decompressing from his job at the White House, which was to lie.

It reminds me of the son of William F. Buckley, founder of the conservative movement, who came out in favor of Obama and then was railroaded out of the party.

Powell has it right. The party is narrowing itself down to its very narrow core: the Freedom Fry Voters who still approve of G. W. Bush despite all that has happened (24 percent). They are excluding moderates, they are excluding compassionate conservatives, they are excluding people of color, people from urban and suburban areas, people with college educations, people who want a composed and steady hand on foreign policy decisions, people who want a composed and steady hand on economic decisions, people who believe in balanced budgets, people who believe in justice, people who believe in the Geneva Convention, people who want to restore America’s reputation….

We need the real Republican Party to stand up, and I sure hope it’s the young people who chased away those hate puppets in this video.

Moon-Howler, thank you. You have my utmost respect and gratitude.

Thanks to you also Fontbonne!

I was one of the people who asked M-H to post something positive about the McCain campaign. I am rooting for the Republicans, not to win this election, but to win the battle for the soul of their party. Giving props to people like you and those courageous people in this video is a way to support the ones we need to win this battle. The Marty Nohe/Mike May/Maureen Caddigan Republicans must prevail over the Corey Stewart/Greg Letiecq/John Stirrup Republicans. Otherwise, we have much suffering and little progress ahead of us in PWC, and elsewhere in VA.

NGL, that would be “I have friends who are XX”…

Yes, Censored, or better yet: “I have friends who are XX, have dark pigmentation, and we have not shied away from any sex acts.”

Check out this column by Richard Cohen in today’s Post. I completely agree that the John’s, Corey’s and Greg’s of the Republican Party are the party’s downfall. I actually really liked (notice the “ed” at the end of the word) John McCain before all this pitiful pandering began. He won the party’s nomination…that in itself should have encouraged him to remain ….here we go…”the maverick”. Instead he tried to move further to the right to pacify the Stirrup’s and Stewart’s. Not a good move. At all. The republican party collectively chose him as the nominee…not Tancredo or Romney. Not sure if the link will post, so I’ve cut some of the article below.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/20/AR2008102002292.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Now, all this is rubble. It is not merely that Barack Obama was always going to garner the vast majority of the black vote. It is also that the GOP, under Rove and his disciples in the McCain campaign, has not only driven out ethnic and racial minorities but a vast bloc of voters who, quite bluntly, want nothing to do with Sarah Palin. For moderates everywhere, she remains the single best reason to vote against McCain.

But the GOP’s tropism toward its furiously angry base, its tolerance and currying of anti-immigrant sentiment, its flattering of the ignorant on matters of undisputed scientific consensus — evolution, for instance — and, from the mouth of Palin, its celebration of drab provincialism, have sharpened the division between red and blue. Red is the color of yesterday.

Turn PW Blue…are you out there! Job well done!

And another thing…Colin Powell hits the nail on the head. Why would it be so awful even if Obama WAS a Muslim? That woman (term used loosely) that McCain had to snatch the mike from a few weeks ago because she tagged him a Muslim…well so what if he was? Muslim does not equal terrorist, just like immigrant (even illegal immigrant) does not equal Criminal!

I’m disappointed that Hello and some others are complaining there is anti-Caucasian sentiment on this blog, especially on a thread that began with a video that really, really should have united us as Americans.

Most of the people who have identified themselves racially on this blog have identified as Caucasian. I can only think of a few who have said they are ethnic. Some of them have made pointed statements and have perhaps analyzed police work from an overly race-conscious perspective. But having a race-conscious perspective is not the same as institutionalized racism, which was the fatal flaw of the Immigration Resolution.

I am Caucasian, like the majority of people in this county, and the majority of people on this blog. But I have no difficulty accepting, respecting, and exchanging views with minorities who are more race conscious than I am. Frankly, I expect them to be such. I think the views of minorities add something important to this blog, even when I disagree with them. If only Caucasian people contributed here, this blog would be a great deal less informative and less valuable to the community. And, it would be unfair to apply rules to the minority contributors that do not apply to those who do not identify themselves as such.

My opinion:If there is any “trend” on this blog that pushes people away, it is the trend toward criticizing John McCain and/or his campaign.. I think this is undeniable. I’m not sure if this is causing the fears that Hello and others have expressed about the blog being anti-Caucasian. In all likelihood, it is related to statewide and national trends that are also shifting toward Obama, and is not affected by the racial breakdown of the blog’s contributors.

I can’t help but wonder if the uneasiness Hello and others are expressing is really a fundamental disagreement with the general consensus many on this blog share, regardless of our heritage, that as Americans it is our duty to oppose prejudice and bigotry, especially when it impacts our electoral process or the application of equal justice.

I don’t think one has to be a minority …. or know one intimately … to share this core value. Indeed, one must only be a person who is, or aspires to be, an American citizen, and understands our Constitution and our history.

–There are many good and decent McCain supporters out there who have gotten a bad rep because of the actions of a few.–

That’s right! And this is why I can’t stand how RACISTS in this county end up representing ALL of us! Remember when I said if Wally Covington didn’t stand up to racism then he was part of it? Well, that’s what I mean. He’s letting racists represent HIM and US.

Hello, Palin is a HUGE humiliation to those professionals with a vagina, IMHO. Are you a professional with a vagina? Have you had to fight sexism in your every-day life just to have your gender underminded by people who should not be representing YOU? If not, then we can’t really have this discussion.

–I can’t help but wonder if the uneasiness Hello and others are expressing is really a fundamental disagreement with the general consensus many on this blog share, regardless of our heritage, that as Americans it is our duty to oppose prejudice and bigotry, especially when it impacts our electoral process or the application of equal justice. –

WELL said, WHWN!

BTW, I post as “Pinko” because GL says we’re all Communisits and Socialists. Get the irony?

Love Always,

Pinko-the Fat Broad-Gotthardt

From the WP article:

“…voters who, quite bluntly, want nothing to do with Sarah Palin. For moderates everywhere, she remains the single best reason to vote against McCain.”

I’m an Independent Moderate.

I’m also a woman.

I want nothing to do with Sarah Palin.

Pinko, no, I’m not a professional with a vagina. However, I grew up in the basement of my grand-mothers house because my mother was a single mother working 3 jobs to get by. She scratched and clawed her way to the top of her profession and after watching this struggle first hand I can appreciate what it must take.

I don’t agree with allot of Palin’s views either but calling her an embarrassment to all women is downright wrong. What have you accomplished with your life? Have you ever made it to the top of any?

NGL – I wasn’t talking to you so F off. You constantly talk about race in just about every thread and you also show your obvious feelings for “white” people, remember, they creep you out.

I agree, Posting As Pinko, although I’m socially more liberal and fiscally more conservative. If choosing Palin was an attempt to attract female voters, it failed. It appeared to say that anyone who was a female should be satisfied with this dog bone, an unqualified female. If it were to attract rightwing voters, I think it failed to notice that McCain beat the wingnuts. He should have concentrated on the middle, moderate swing voter. With Palin’s selection, he thumbed his nose at the moderates of both parties and of no party.

I think Palin is not an embarrassment to women so much as her selection as VP candidate is an insult to us. Letterman asked McCain if he’d have chosen a similarly inexperienced and little known governor who was a man. I didn’t buy his answer. “Yes absolutely” or something like that. I find it insulting, because the truth is, he would NOT have chosen her if it were not for Hillary Clinton’s historic candidacy, which, if not her unfortunate vote to authorize Bush to invade Iraq, would have provided us with a female President who got their because of her qualifications.

Now, one could argue, that being First Lady put her in a position to run for President based on her husband’s record in the White House. But, let’s not forget “two for the price of one.” Hillary was an instrumental part of the Clinton White House, not just a smiling hostess.

Hello -

“What have you accomplished with your life? Have you ever made it to the top of any?”
Excellent point. Sounds like Pinko has a bad case of sour grapes.

Sounds like Hello has a bad case of… a bad sense of humor. Lighten up! You set yourself up for NGL’s joke. But no one knows who you are so don’t be so red faced (no pun intended).

Finally, moderate folks trying to get people talking about and discussing the issues! It is about time. Huge kudos the the McCain supporters who stood up to the hate-speech clowns unwilling to hold a civil public discourse.

This made my day.

Here is an interesting item about a Colombian immigrant, Tito the Builder, who appeared at McCain’s rally in Woodbridge yesterdy.

John McCain and an Army of Joes
The real anger at McCain’s rallies.

By Byron York

Woodbridge, Va. — Tito Munoz was ready to rock when John McCain showed here up at the Connaughton Community Plaza in Woodbridge, Virginia Saturday afternoon. Dressed in a yellow hard hat covered with McCain-Palin stickers, wearing an orange high-visibility vest, Munoz carried a hand-lettered sign that said CONSTRUCTION WORKER FOR McCAIN. He got a coveted spot in the bleachers directly behind McCain, where he could be seen in the camera shot along with the guy holding the sign that said PHIL THE BRICK LAYER and the woman with the ROSE THE TEACHER banner. He cheered a lot.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NWRhZDE1ODdiYzRiMzcyMWM5NzNjMWMxMDQ1ZDRkYzI=#more

We are beating the word ‘racist’ to death. It has no meaning any more to me. I have desensitized.

Find another word. Elaborate. ‘Racist’ has become the new ‘thing.’ Let’s try ethnocentric for a day if it must be discussed.

What have you accomplished with your life? Have you ever made it to the top of any?”

LOL! Palin should never have made it to the VP list. THAT is the embarrassment to professionals with vaginas. She’s there to get the “women” vote and the “men who think she’s hot” vote. McCain doesn’t even KNOW her! She has no experience and comes off like a DIP. How stupid.

Hello, we each accomplish things in our lives. Do you really believe “making it to the top” makes your life somehow superior to anyone else’s? I suppose with this logic you believe people who live poor, oppressed and struggling are NOTHINGS. Your statements are odd considering how you seem to revere your grandmother who didn’t “make it to the top.” Was her life worthless because she wasn’t chosen on a VP ticket? Or do you think YOUR life is worthless because YOU haven’t made it to whatever you perceive the “top” is?

I think the assumption that political power or money puts you at the “top” is superficial at best, depressing at worst. I’m quite happy with what I’ve accomplished and the challenges I have managed to overcome. How about YOU?

Moon-howler,
It seems as though you should limit your “rants” to a minimum. You are disturbing others that supposedly have jobs. Now, they are working girls over on BVBL, aren’t they?

Pinko, I know what it’s like to live poor and struggle and no, I never said that people that live in those conditions are “NOTHINGS”, I’ve been there. My point was that people in Alaska didn’t seem to think she was an embarrassment, they elected her and seem to like what she is doing for them. Do I think she was the right choice for VP, no, but just because McCain chose her doesn’t mean the deserves to be called an embarrassment. I’m sure your in the minority on this one KG no matter how you try to spin it.

I saw what my mom went thru trying to raise 3 kids while working multiple jobs so I can appreciate what Palin has accomplished. That doesn’t mean I agree with everything she stands for and calling her an embarrassment only belittles what she has done in her life.

You contradict yourself when you claim to have fought sexism every day of your life then turn around and call another woman an embarrassment to all women when she had to overcome the same thing but in politics where sexism is much more prevelent. Odd, I just don’t get you logic there.

Good footage.

I like the footage where McCain takes the mic away from the crazy woman at his rally as well … I can see him thinking while she talks, I believe the conversation in his head is “Should I just get the mic and walk away from her” and then that’s pretty much what he does. He didn’t want to protract that dialogue.

Bwaaa hahahaha Jorge. You are asking the wrong person. Sounds to me like Gossip Girls rather than working girls. Surely with the rule of law being the holy grail there, no one would be blogging from work. Wouldn’t be prudent.

Hi Moon-howler, thanks for posting this video. It’s refreshing to see something like this, I bet you will never see anything like this in the media. Also, what about reports of Obama supporters vandalizing cars with McCain stickers or intimidating them? Like this one from PG County:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/11/AR2008101101465_pf.html

I’m tempted not to justify the accusation that I’m afraid of white people with a response, but all I will say is that I’m not afraid of white people in general. I can list a few boyfriends that were white but I won’t go down the “Hello” path and insinuate sexual acts as well (=

I merely stated that one of the videos on a previous thread was frightening. Many non-ethnic people said so as well. I went so far as to say they were white people and frightening because they seemed to be over-stimulated by hatred toward people like me. In the future, I will refrain from mentioning their race. I could easily have said they were frighting merely for the fact that they were screaming and seething with hatred. It’s fair to say that a mob of people behaving that way would be frightening to any person, whatever race you are, and whatever race they are.

So, for what it’s worth, I apologize for putting the word “white” in the sentence. But the sentiment is the same. Them people is scary!

Good point, Rick. I liked how he did that also. He was all over that one. Quick thinking.

In general, all the candidates have some positive qualities. I could never vote for Sarah Palin. She is far too conservative to garner my vote. Additionally, I don’t feel she is ready for the VP or the presidency. Her knowledge base seems limited, judging from the interviews I saw.

On the other hand, she certainly has sparked something in a great many people. She is attractive, humorous, and works a crowd well, which is what a running mate should be able to do.

Were our world views closer, rather than light years apart, I would find her a neat candidate. Anyone who has gone as far in life as she has is certainly not an embarrassment to women. And let’s face it, Alaska is not the cultural center of the United States. It is outback and rough and tumble.

Warning! If you click on the above link in Hello’s post, an article comes up that makes absolutely NO MENTION of Obama supporters vandalizing cars or intimidating McCain supporters! I read it twice to make sure I didn’t miss something.

Hello, do us all a favor and try to post a link to an article that actually CITES what you are saying it does in your post. Not all of us read every link and might actually take you at your word. I won’t make that mistake again. The vandalism of cars with McCain stickers must be something posted at BVBL.cesspool.

Hello, you are missing the point: when someone who is appointed has NO qualifications for the job except a pretty face (and I mean for VP) then she is an embarassment. The fact that she is a complete DIP and people LAUGH at her is even worse. I am trying to picture her in a room full of cultures that don’t respect women in authority. Can you imagine what would happen to our country if she came out with something like, “Well, I can see your country from my house! Tee hee!” Give me a break! Palin thinks she can get away with almost anything because she is a pretty woman.

Let’s put it another way: Rice is a gorgeous woman and doesn’t have to tout it to get people to repsect her. And she has had to bust her ass to get to where she is. Give me Rice to Palin ANY day. Give me someone I can be PROUD of. In the meantime, keep Palin in Alaska. Maybe someday she WILL be someone we can be prouder of in a position of higher authority, but now certainly is NOT that time IMHO.

Hello, your logic is still way off and you avoid the important questions here, the one you brought up by your “making it to the top” issues. You asked, “What have you accomplished with your life? Have you ever made it to the top of any?” trying to compare my life to Palin’s. First, this isn’t about me. Then when I ask you about YOUR life, you do a double take and change the subject to Alaska. That’s fine, but realize you are skirting the issue here and that your question has no merit because of it. Neither does your argument.

This is the video from a previous thread that scared me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHrExRHZnm0

Tell me that’s not scary to you. Imagine watching that and knowing that if you were standing there they might have come after you because of the way you look. I know that everyone has at one point or another feared they would be targeted because of how they look. Many of us have experienced it.

If they were a mob of black people who were hating on whites, I would be afraid as well, but not afraid for me, afraid for white brothers and sisters.

KG, I can say that Palin is an something of an embarrassment, but only because she is being held to the highest standard for the highest job in the land. I think she is competent to be a governor of a state with a population smaller than that of Richmond, VA. And she is more qualified for that job than the average person, man or woman. She had been a mayor and a town council woman, which are good enough qualifications for being a governor.

But Sarah Palin is someone we have been asked to trust to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, in the event that John McCain’s life expectancy is an average to above average one, and not an extremely above average life span.

As we know from the tenure of Jim Gilmore, there is only so much damage a Governor can do. Governors don’t have the code for our nukes. A President Palin would. How does that sit with you, honestly people?

Warning! Twinad, the link I posted shows an obvious attempt by Obama supporters to get the McCain message off of the marquee. They even had the NAACP making calls for crying out loud. Why in the world would the NAACP care about anyone’s support of a candidate (with the exception of an admitted racist candidate)?

If you want a story of cars with McCain stickers getting vandalized then here you go: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/18/owner-believes-lexus-vandalized-due-mccain-sticker/

–I think she is competent to be a governor of a state with a population smaller than that of Richmond, VA.–

Shelly, this is probably true (though that “God wills us to get gas lines” stuff is amazingly….let’s leave it at that).

Let her stay there for awhile. Let her go to Congress. THEN let her try for something higher.

My GOD, can you imagine (and REALLY stretch your imagination here) if someone said, “You know, let’s put Katherine Gotthardt on the ticket for BOCS Chair. You know, she has a minivan and sometimes makes funny jokes. She says the wrong thing sometimes, but hey….the moms might like her.”

Can you imagine the loathing and laughter in this county????? LOL!!!!

But here’s the thing: I woudn’t be stupid enough to say “Hee hee! Okay!” Palin, IMHO, showed tremendous arrogance and stupidity in saying YES. “Know thyself” isn’t something she has practiced, apparently.

Pinko, if you want to know about my life I will tell you, no problem. However, give me your email because I feel a little uncomfortable doing it here.

So now people vocally complaining is not just plain complaining, but is now referred to in your terms as “intimidation”? Your post said Obama supporters were vandalizing cars (your second post was ONE CAR, one instance) and were intimidating McCain supporters. Intimidation is inciting fear in another human being, not making phone calls to a place of business irate that they would put up a political banner. Sorry, doesn’t cut it as intimidation.

So Twinad, community activist Arthur Turner advocating a boycott of this mans business because of a McCain message on his marquee isn’t intimidating? Over 100 phone call and email to the manager of the hotel because of the sign didn’t somehow intimidate him into taking it down? Get real…

Pax,

My opinon of Concerned Women for America is very low. I would not bother to watch anything they published. As I am sure you are aware, it is a far right conservative group. I am not sure what is scaring you. Perhaps you should elaborate in your own words.

Pax,
Why be scared? That’s exactly what they want. Looks, like you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

If you want more reports of cars with McCain sticker getting vandalized just let me know Twinad. I just provided that one as an example.

Hello, I don’t want your life story. I want you to THINK about your own life instead of asking me about MINE through your assertion that I’ve never made it “to the top of anything.” You might want to think about WHY you chose to say that. That’s all, really.

Hello, there’s an NAACP meeting tonight at 7:30 Why don’t you go and lodge your complaint in person?

I see Pinko, I apologize if asking you what you have accomplished offended you. I was trying to point out that what ever you think of Palin, good or bad, she is a successful woman. Not only is she a successful woman but she has done it in a male dominated profession. For someone like yourself who claims to have fought sexism all of your life to dismiss that and call her an embarrassment to all women is quite odd.

Hello, any business owner who sticks a large political sign in front of his place of business has to be prepared for the consequences. I don’t mean that he or she should be prepared for his/her property to be vandalized, but he should be prepared for boycotts, phonecalls, etc. One of the businesses mentioned in your article is one which I boycott. The owner may be conveniently located near me and offer a product which I would normally buy, but I’ll never spend a dime at his place of business because of his political activities.

Good point censored…

Why is this about “Moderate McCain Supporters” doing the “right thing”. The young man in the white t-shirt clearly identified himself as a “Christian Conservative”, and he was against what the “bumper sticker man” was saying. Why do you automatically label every angry McCain supporter as a “Conservative”? Heck, I am a conservative, and I don’t condone unfounded claims that Obama has ties to radical Islam. Do I think that he was exposesed to Islam as a religon during a formative period of his life? Yes. Do I think that deep down inside, Obama still holds on to part of this exposure to Islam, as indicated by his “flub” the other day, “my Muslim faith”? Yes, again. However, I have seen nor heard nothing that would indicate that the madrassa he attended in Indonesia was a radical one. Nor do I think he holds any sympathy for “Islamic Terroists”. The homegrown American Terrorists, like William Ayers, you betcha! But not Osama Bin Laden.

How much does a four year old really understand religion though, BooHoo? About as much as an eight year old understands anti-war radicalism, is my guess.

Besides, when he lived in Indonesia, Obama went to Bible class every day while his classmates who were Muslim four year olds went to Koran class.

When I was growing up I had classmates who were Jewish and classmates who were Catholic. I’m neither, nor did I change at all from the exposure to classmates who were.

NGL, sorry bring this up again but you said “frightening because they seemed to be over-stimulated by hatred toward people like me”, how in the world are people cheering at the RNC over stimulated by hatred toward people like you? Do you think all republicans hate your race? I don’t get it…

When it comes to religion I don’t see what it has to do with politics. I don’t think Obama is Muslim but so what if he is, that doesn’t mean that he is going to do anything to the U.S. in a bad way or be sympathetic to extremist. I think it has gotten to a point in the U.S. where being Muslim = terrorist or being an Arab = terrorist and I think that’s flat out wrong.

Hello, I am going to go where angels fear to tread for just a moment here. I have not seen any videos that show Obama people doing something to McCain people. I even looked. Now I am not saying that they don’t exist, just that I haven’t seen them.

I just finally saw the article you left about the marque in PG county. Now…here go the angel feet…..the guy can put up any kind of sign he wants supporting any candidate. Those who don’t like it can not go there. Sounds simple to me. What I don’t grasp is why the NAACP is in any way involved or why someone should get all wacked out because Obama is black. Well, no he isn’t. He is bi-racial. I suppose he is as white as he is black. Who cares.

It works both ways. I honestly hate seeing an election come down to being about the color of someone’s skin. That makes me sick.

–For someone like yourself who claims to have fought sexism all of your life to dismiss that and call her an embarrassment to all women is quite odd.–

As VP she WOULD be embarrassing to women IMHO.

I agree that religion doesn’t beling in office. That doesn’t mean our leaders shouldn’t be compassionate human being concerned about the good of all, however.

Clarify exactly what the NAACP did (or allegedly did).

Boo Hoo

Why do you automatically label every angry McCain supporter as a “Conservative”?

Would you like them labeled as liberals?

Sorry you don’t like the post.

Pinko, I’m not sure if you read the article but it said “Operators of neighborhood e-mail group lists cried foul to their memberships. The NAACP logged calls. Community leaders demanded boycotts of the hotel, a common venue for Democratic events.”

It doesn’t explain any more than that about the NAACP other than they logged calls. Why would they log calls because someone had a McCain message up? I don’t know but it’s a darn good question.

I don’t know. That’s what I didn’t understand. But I guess nothing surprises me in this election. The MJM did a whole story on this guy’s McCain’s sign being ripped down with a note being left. So who the heck knows.

NotGL,
I’m just now seeing your comment to me at the very beginning of the thread. I think you may made more out of my consideration than it was. I only considered the three individuals to “fakes” for a split second. Well, as the “real deal” their behavior was not indicative of that of a supporter.

I feel I can look at this video objectively. I’m one of the small percentage of voters in this great nation that are undecided. Frankly, neither McCain or Obama would be my choice. However, with Virginia being a battleground state, and PWC a battleground county within in the Commonwealth, I will have to pick one of these two men. I don’t feel this is the year to write someone in or throw my vote away on an ineffective third party. I am an INDEPENDENT to the core. We need a viable third party. I truly believe the both the R’s & D’s can both be too extreme for my taste. I am very conservative on some issues and very liberal on others.

Sign stealing is going on all over the place. To me, it is theft, regardless of the reason.

A thief is a thief is a thief.

“But I guess nothing surprises me in this election”

LOL! Glad you said this from experience. I guess that means that my cram courses of giving any real time and concern about politics are not in vein.

I went from comparing politics from this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M

to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oiMPKvxQzs&feature=related

Maybe I wasted to much time on trying to figure it out.

There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6VT7ciR1o

JUST KIDDING!!!!

I wanted the excuse to say the girl in the video reminds me of Sandra Bullock.

Okay, carry on…..

More Palin Crap:

From AP

—ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.—

—In all, Palin has charged the state $21,012 for her three daughters’ 64 one-way and 12 round-trip commercial flights since she took office in December 2006. In some other cases, she has charged the state for hotel rooms for the girls.–

—The state is already reviewing nearly $17,000 in per diem payments to Palin for more than 300 nights she slept at her own home, 40 miles from her satellite office in Anchorage.–

Full article at Yahoo News

One more reason for me to say, “She’s an embarrassment!” And this has nothing to do with gender.

MH I agree. Leave people’s things alone!

Censored/Hello,

Yes, I totally agree that if I am to put up a banner supporting my candidate in an area that is 80% for “the other one”, then I WILL expect phone calls.

I have my Obama sticker on my car, but didn’t put one on my husband’s truck. It’s his business vehicle… I figure on average, the electorate is split pretty darn close right down the middle. Why would I want to risk alienating even a small percentage of his potential clients since they may not share his wife’s preference of a candidate? Just makes common sense to me.

As for sign stealing…I mean really, how petty are people?! I have a middle school friend living in Ellicott City. He’s had his Obama sign stolen three times already. So now he has 8 more in his garage and has resorted to taking it in at night.

A few years ago I had a John Kerry sign in my yard and a woman who lives a few blocks from me decided to come to my house to discuss my support of Kerry, who according to her, supports the killing of unborn children! I wasn’t home, so she left me a nice long note about how I will essentially rot in hell for supporting a pro choice candidate.

You know religion really, REALLY needs to be left out of this entire election. I remember growing up and being taught, in Church that it was a woman’s job to have children. I remember being taught that women who CARE about their children DO NOT work outside the home. I remember my mom who is educated and works outside the home stepped up and said “Do what you want.” I remember being a bridesmaid at my best friend’s wedding when during the ceremony the officiant said “A woman’s job is to ensure that her husband enters the kingdom of God.” I was like…..What?! She’ll be hard pressed to talk herself into heaven and now she’s responsible for him? He’s NOT responsible? Then the officiant went on about how a woman is beholden to the advice of her husband. Was this a Muslim ceremony? No. It was a Catholic one. A typical Catholic ceremony. My question is…Are liberal Catholic, educated women with children treated with respect by the Catholic community? The answer is no, NO, NO. Even in America, Catholic women are expected to be subservient, pop out lots of kids, and give up their educations (if they have them at all). It has ALL to do with gender and a “CHURCH” and the men, the men who determine the worth of women and the extent of their supposed knowledge and worth in the 21st century. Those of us us who choose to have 2 or 3 children are looked down upon. Those of us who choose to use birthcontrol are scolded, and those of us who deign to become educated AND work outside the home are snubbed. These are the Catholics that look at Palin and McCain and say “You don’t speak for me.”

They aren’t moderate, The Vast Majority of Us Conservative’s and Christians don’t condone that behavior. We are really more tolerant than you would like to believe.

They aren’t moderate, They are Conservative. The Vast Majority of Us Conservative’s and Christians don’t condone that behavior. We are really more tolerant than you would like to believe.
Most Muslims share many of our Conservative Values like Respecting the Right to Life. It is Islamic Extremism that is the catalyst for all the hate.

The thing that I don’t get is so many of us say that there should be a separation of church and state.

There is NO separation in HOW we deal with politics or religion.

It is handled with the same conviction such as boycotting, or second thoughts about SPEAKING UP!

P.S. if Concrete4 is reading this, I tried EXTRA hard for you to understand my WRITTEN comment( without wine from a box and with NO F words) I guess you missed my confession and apology

Cheers to you anyway, as a friend told me, I may have made a mistake posting while drinking but everyone else didn’t wake up with a hangover, just as themselves. I only hope you can find the medium that I find in YOU and that is that I am right there with you about NOT being PC

This is for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayF1T_CdGro

Has it ever occurred to you that my postings maybe a code for ( in my best sixth sense voice) PEOPLE other than US?

JUST KIDDING!

Chill out, I am sick of the nasty too.

MoonHowler, I actually found footage of Obama supporters behaving badly, but truth be told, I preferred the positive message.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – people of intellectual honesty and good will are completely capable of disagreeing without being disagreeable. When I lay my head on my pillow at night, I am next to a spouse who is 180 degrees from me, politically. Yet I could not ask for a happier home life.

It’s all about perspective, IME.

Emma,

If you are still peeping over here-Thank you. I get you too-you see the GOOD in everything

This is for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QhklvfYoOI

Didn’t you say you were a proof reader/editor? I remember you saying something about PWC Hospital.

Anyway, cheers

“They aren’t moderate, They are Conservative. The Vast Majority of Us Conservative’s and Christians don’t condone that behavior. We are really more tolerant than you would like to believe.
Most Muslims share many of our Conservative Values like Respecting the Right to Life. It is Islamic Extremism that is the catalyst for all the hate.”

I AGREE! This difference will ALWAYS be played out. IT is the EXTREMIST that gets the focus because it is a touchy subject.

I say touchy subject-because it has ( whispered or loud) come down to Christianity ( a HUGE umbrella) vs Muslium/Islamic views.
I have to honestly admit, I don’t know the difference between Muslim/Islamic?

Hello? Hello?!?! Did you watch this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHrExRHZnm0

This is pure unadulterated hate. With the exception of “communist,” every single deranged and ignorant attack on Obama had a racial connotation, and was screamed with fiendish hatred. My God.

Hello, I used to like McCain. I might very well have voted for him the first time I ever voted if he wasn’t out of the race in 2000. I could have been in that line with those very people. As I watched that video, I imagined myself standing among them and I would have been scared out of my wits. I’m sorry but I’m not lying, and I refuse to be marginalized for saying that.

I already apologized for saying that they were not only hateful and racist but also white. But when you are not white, that is the scariest type of hateful and racist mob you are ever going to see. In Sudan, there are hateful and bigoted mobs as well, and they are much scarier. So the operative word was not white. The operative word was hateful, deranged, ignorant, and screaming about it with a mob mentality.

The reason it scares me is that I look like the man that has driven them to behave this way.

Listen, Hello, I’m going to assume you are white and ask you this question:

If you had been in Los Angeles when that truck driver got beaten up just because he was white, would you have been afraid? I think so.

Would the skin color of a those doing the attacking matter? Yes, it would. Because that would determine the skin color of the next person they victimize.

So the video creeped me out just the way, if you were deep in the District and a riot broke out you would piss your pants and cry like a little baby while you ran for your life if you saw the Redskins secondary walking toward you. And you know it.

Fontbonne, Why don’t you just post it down here rather than it having its own thread. I would like to see it. And you are more than welcome. As a person who has struggled with this election, I know the nasty rhetoric is not one sided.

PWC, I didn’t write that they were moderate. I copied the text that was provided. Sorry. Why is it so important to post a label on everyone? I think labels are relative. I might see myself as a moderate while you might see me as a liberal. You might see yourself as a conservative, I might see you as reactionary. It becomes meaningless.

WOW.

You know, I thought Hello and NGL were both women for a long time. LOL! Just goes to show ya….

Hello is either a man or a gay woman, per his/her sexual preference.

I am either a woman or a gay man, per mine!

You all sure can tell a lot from typing

OMG do I pray…..in this institution ….(can’t tell sh#t from typing -but hands in the air swinging like they just don’t care. lol) I KNOW, Concrete4 you don’t understand- work with me in this analogy of 4: concrete4 or 4nonblondes.:) 4 is the common denominator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXcQGsoDkDk

Typing, schmyping. Maybe it’s all the discussion of professional vaginas.

Can’t believe I typed that. And here I was going to reply to Red Dawn’s issue of Muslim/Islamic.

NotGL,
I responded back to you earlier tonight, and it got snagged in moderation. It just posted a short while ago. It’s at Chris, 21. October 2008, 18:27.

I will give some more insight regarding the study circles. I really can’t get to that until tomorrow. I really would encourage ALL to participate. If you wouldn’t care to join us, do you happen to know any high school and/or college students that may be interested in participating? We really need the youth’s involvement.

Posting As Pinko, you mentioned the recent news about Governor Palin charging the state of Alaska over $21,000 for her children’s travel. Is it misuse of state funds? Well, that’s up to the citizens of Alaska. But on the surface, does it look proper? No way. Just my opinion.

But when it comes to Palin and outrageous expenditures of money, I just read a report (click here to read) that the Republican National Committee has spent over $150,000 since early September to “clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family.”

From the report:

According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.

The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.

The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.

An additional $4,902.45 was spent at Atelier, a high-class shopping destination for men.

This is wholly unacceptable, and disgusting. I should mention that if McCain, Obama, and/or Biden had similar outrageous expenditures for vanity, they deserve to be equally criticized.

If candidates are to have us believe they relate to the Joe Plumbers of the world, then their words on the scene should be matched with consistent actions behind the scenes.

Because I doubt most ordinary Americans can afford to spend $150,000 in the span of two months on beauty, clothing, and accessories. And certainly not during a time of increasing national economic hardship.

Jeeze, $150,000? For cute outfits?!!???! I’m glad I didn’t donate any money to the GOP this year!

That’s a great point you make, Robb Pearson, about Palin saying she relates to Joe Plumber, yeah right! Joe Plumber only makes $250,000 a year.

If I was forced to make due with only $250,000 a year, I would spend $100,000 on cute outfits, tops!

Red Dawn,

My understanding, which could be WAY wrong, is that Muslim=people, while Islamic=other things related to the faith. Even though the two are used interchangeably by most (at least in this country), we may actually be failing to make a distinction.

Robb,

You point out some serious errors in judgement on behalf of the Party and Palin. Palin’s predecessor said he could think of no reason during his 8 years as Alaska’s governor that he would have reported on expense reports that his school age children acted in ANY official capacity while he was governor. He also did not take his uninvited children to events and when they were invited, he paid for their expenses.

If Palin really wanted to appeal to the working class, she could have at least gotten her outfits at Banana Republic or the Gap! I think most working class folks think those stores are pretty expensive, let alone Neiman’s or Sak’s! I guess they couldn’t have Palin standing next to Cindy McCain in clothes from a non name designed. But at least I doubt (although maybe it should be investigated), that Cindy had her clothes paid for by anyone but herself!

DG, sort of, but not quite. Islam is the name of the religion and comes straight from Arabic unchanged.

In English anyway, Muslim can be either a noun or an adjective. So you can say “a Muslim” or “the Muslim world.” Islamic is another adjective but never a noun. So, for example, anyone who would call Muslims “the Islamics” would be being illiterate.

On the other hand there is another term, “Islamist,” that has been coined for fundamentalist Muslim activism in the political realm. Here’s an explanation of that from an academic:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6695864

So an Islamist is always going to be a Muslim, but a Muslim is not always going to be an Islamist! Plus there are plenty of nominal Muslims just as there are plenty of nominal Christians. Confused yet?

–I just read a report (click here to read) that the Republican National Committee has spent over $150,000 since early September to “clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family.”–

Holy SHIT! That is absolutely DISGUSTING!!!! Someone should send these people the message that people would respect them more if they bargain shopped instead of carrying on like Wall Street Moguls.

Think of all the poor these a-holes could feed just with their CLOTHING money!

That literally makes me SICK SICK SICK.

…and there are plenty of European and American people who have converted to the Muslim religion. These aren’t “Islamic” people either.

Hello:

“Hi Moon-howler, thanks for posting this video. It’s refreshing to see something like this, I bet you will never see anything like this in the media. Also, what about reports of Obama supporters vandalizing cars with McCain stickers or intimidating them? Like this one from PG County:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/11/AR2008101101465_pf.html”

You know what…it happens on both sides. I remember 4 years ago when plenty of Kerry/edward signs were stolen from front lawns and stickers vandalized. I even remember seeing fottage of two bush “supporters” tearing down lawn signs at night on the news. So, yes – vandalism is bad. But let’s not pretend Obama supporters are the only ones doing it. Seems as if Mr. Farrell’s Obama sign (the big one) “disappeared” from his business in “proudly conservative” manassas.

–If Palin really wanted to appeal to the working class, she could have at least gotten her outfits at Banana Republic or the Gap!–

Better yet: Salvation Army and thrift stores.

So much for fiscal conservatism. Hypocrite.

DB:

“You know religion really, REALLY needs to be left out of this entire election.”

Ah-frigginmen to THAT!

PWConservative”

“Most Muslims share many of our Conservative Values like Respecting the Right to Life. It is Islamic Extremism that is the catalyst for all the hate.”

LOL….yes, you conservatives are so christian and tolerant and respecting of life. How many pregnant Iraqi women have died in your quest to fight “terra”? How many born children? Yeah – I’m from Buffalo, NY and let me tell you, I’ve seen you people who adore life rally around and hide James Kopp who gunned down Barnett Slepian in his home. Yes, you’re all about “life” until they’re born, or unless they live in a questionable part of the world.

Spare me your “concern for life”

I wonder what fine charities will be getting those snazzy clothes?

All of those clothes and traveling with the kids when not invited and not going along at an official capacity is absolutely sickening. I’m sure glad I’m not a tax payer of Alaska.
If the McCain camp were to win the election, will the entire nation be footing the bill for her to look the part.

This is from the article I’ve put the link up for below.
But a top McCain campaign staff member later told FOX News, “With all of the important issues facing the country right now, its remarkable that we’re spending time talking about pantsuits and blouses. It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/report-rnc-spent-g-spruce-palin/

CNN showed this footage at some length last night – I think in the 8:00 hour? Some know-it-all female commentator – Campbell Brown might be the name?

Hey Hello…and PWConservative

Evidence of McCain supporters stealing Obama signs…

Seems as if their whole neighborhood was plagued with theft from intolerant McCain supporters they all set up surveillance cameras…

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-112664

No me,

I wonder if the woman wanted the sign for herself or if she hates Obama and doesn’t want him to win the election. I can almost…operative word being almost…understand the former, but not the latter.