AntiBVBL

Jeeze, what is this county coming to? Elena, you are one brave lady, that’s for sure. May I say brave and beautiful?

I’m beginning to understand the disease that has taken over a segment of this county. I don’t know which is more frightening, an elected offical nominating Duecaster, or this creepo Letiecq and his Witch Hunt tactics in support of that nomination.

Wow Elena. Just wow. After Greg’s machine guns and barbed wire comment at the BoCS, I didn’t realize there WAS another new low for him right around the corner. This kind of terror tactic is truly Un-American. It’s scary to know I live in the same county as such a man.

I think Greg’s scariest episode dressing in a commando outfit doing the vigilante two step at Coverstone, then threatening a police officer just for doing his job and pulling him over, oh, and for having a Hispanic sir name. Policing-while-Hispanic is not a crime, even if you pull over Mr. Letiecq. That was low. But after reading what’s on that other site, I think maybe “new low” is too nice of a word.

It’s an old tactic. God, how he lists the names as if his hate group disciples are now supposed to zero in on them. Attention disciples: the following people are to be hated immiediately. GregL is slimy as all get out.

On those videos Duecaster made some very offensive comments. It leads one to ponder what he says in private. I find it hard to believe that Greg doesn’t understand why someone might have concerns about this guy

It’s all a game now to him. It’s “us vs. them”. No matter what you do, as long as you’re classified as “them”, he’ll do anything to insult you.

So, someone in your inner circle is a spy for the other. Now who could that be? Remember, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t out to get you!

El Guapo,

This site initiated the us versus them, remember? Anti-BVBL, ring a bell.

Witch Hunt,

Such Drama!!

So let me get this straight. After carrying out a year long campaign of character assassinations on members of the BOCS, and telling them that they made a terribly bad decision in voting unanimously for a resolution partially authored by Mr. Duecaster, you now are going to tell them that they are about to make an even worse decision on placing Mr. Duecaster on a committee. Yeah, I’m sure you’ll have a great deal of influence in their decision making process! Don’t hold your breath.

Have you seen this? Obama Waffles. Republicans digging their own grave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai6b6QPLXtI&feature=related

This is getting ugly. It’s a big flame war being played out.

I can see how each side thinks they are fighting hard but fair, how each is reacting to what they don’t like about the other and mirroring the behavior they decry. Each side has rational points to make and each side is engaged in personal attacks.

In the end I think maybe the worse thing Greg did was posting people’s e-mails addresses.

I do think this is mostly a tempest in a teapot, I’m not going to lose sleep over it, but it’s getting very personal and somewhat absurd.

Rick,
How am I engaged in personal attacks? I have NEVER stood before the the board and attacked anyone except the hate rhetoric they espoused. Is ADL also being unfair? At what point is pointing out outrageous behavior that affects the public policy of my county fair game?

This is absolutely INSANE!!

This whole thing started a year ago. It started out with just wanting to do something about the presence of ilegal aliens. Now, a year later…anyone and everyone who’s not marching to HSM drum is under attack. This so SICKENING to me as a native of this county.

What we have here ladies and gentleman, is just bullying like a kid a on a playground. This has all completely out hand. We have some in our county that want to add to the burden by FOIA’ing everything under the sun. Hell, I will NOT email any county office anymore, because I do not want my personal thoughts and concerns to any county office, official, etc. to be investigating by those wanting to be the “thought police”. I no longer contact them via email. I hope folks realize this does NOT promote a happy, health or safe attitude within our county.

All of this crap just needs to stop! Enough is enough.

I’m sure you think you’re acting decently enough and I don’t doubt that GL thinks he is also.

There is no consensus on where to draw the line between public actions or positions and personal info and you guys (on both sides) have been making things personal.

You (this site) went after Duecaster very hard and even to the point of soliciting for blog quotes. is it justified? To you it is, to GL maybe it’s vicious. I’m not here to castigate you. I am going to tell you though that I think the whole thing, while more silly than scary I think, is very silly at this point. You guys really infiltrate HSM meetings?

Byler and Park I have more of an issue with. I guess Michael Moore is their inspiration. Intellectual dishonesty in the guise of documentarianism.

I’ll say this – I can see why you think he’s a thug. But he aspires to doing exactly what he’s doing, using the Internet to curb what he probably sees as leftist bullying. Just as Byler and Park do what they do, for their own personal reasons.

So, when you trash someone on your blog, you are expressing “concerns”. When Greg trashes someone on his blog, he is trying to “intimidate” you. Oh, that is rich. “Whoa is me. I decided to get into the ring and take a few jabs at Greg. Now I am mad because he has decided to hit back. How unfair. How mean. How…nativist.”

And before your regular defenders start jumping all over me, I don’t see a nickel’s worht of difference between the posters over there, and the posters over here. Also, I don’t see much difference between the conduct of the administration of both blogs. About the only thing that I see is that Greg calls for enforcing the law, and you all call for ignoring the law for whatever particular agenda you serve.

Rick,
I hardly think you can say Alanna(one person) atttending an HSM meeting is infiltraiting. Remember, HSM meetings are OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. And furthermore, HSM members have even invitited as if a dare for posters on here to come to a meeting. Now, is that really infiltraiting, Rick.
I really think the personal attacks started with the “fat broads” comments, myself. I don’t think anyone should be making such demeaning personal comments.
In all honesty, I think all sides are acting on what “they” believe is right.

Greg is blind to bigotry, and he demands the Board of Supervisors be that way too. He doesn’t even recognize that average citizens also cringe at the way Duecaster screams at the Supervisors, saying if they do anything to touch his “Resolution” he will direct the hatred in his heart at THEM instead of the “hordes outside your door.”

I agree with Chris, who should know, by the way, because she once was caught up in it all. It’s a game to Greg, he has his team, which includes Duecaster, and he doesn’t want anyone getting in his way by questioning the beliefs, which certainly seem to be extreme and hateful toward certain groups.

Greg is blind to bigotry. And he wants the county to be that way too.

“This is getting ugly. It’s a big flame war being played out.

I can see how each side thinks they are fighting hard but fair, how each is reacting to what they don’t like about the other and mirroring the behavior they decry. Each side has rational points to make and each side is engaged in personal attacks.

In the end I think maybe the worse thing Greg did was posting people’s e-mails addresses.

I do think this is mostly a tempest in a teapot, I’m not going to lose sleep over it, but it’s getting very personal and somewhat absurd.”

Very, very wise words. I agree. Both sides are equally guilty in keeping up the antagonism. You want to attack one of his, he is going to attack some of yours.

Ed, there are no thought police on this blog. We have criticized people who stood before the Board of Supervisors and made threats at them. And we have challenged people who came here and posted racist comments. But we have never attacked people who didn’t SAY ANYTHING, based on something we know they probably READ.

That. Is. Frightening.

This is way beyond disgusting.

Question for all ya’ll history buffs. When anti-immigrant hate groups targeted the Italians, the Irish, the Chinese, and the Jews, did they also attack those who stood up to defend them?

Did they also attack those who tried to defend the honor of our democracy and what it stands for? Did they attack people who read newsletters printed by those defenders?

I could tell you all about the persecution faced by the early Abolitionists.

Since you raise that point NGL I see myself as against slavery and those who apologize for illegal immigration as moving us towards a continent of haves and have-nots, a virtual slavery.

Certainly, we are well within our rights to oppose any appointment. Denying an appointment has not traditionally been done but it’s not unprecedented.

Fighting this appointment is an uphill battle, but so what? He needs to be opposed and not for some stupid Goldwater quote. There’s enough wacky statements from this guy to concern any reasonable thinking person. So, we’ll see what happens but at a minimum our opposition will be noted.

Thank you for all your hard work and for not giving up!

You have many people who support your work.

HSM’s own code states “I will endeavor to responsibly engage in the ongoing public dialog on issues related to illegal immigration.” This is obviously not something they do. What kind of person advocates barbed wire and machine gune turrents as a way to deal with anything?

Folks,
HSM does use intimidation tactics against anyone who disagrees with them. I sent an e-mail to the President of HSM and the VP regarding an observation I had made at the PW Co Fair last year. We exchanged several e-mails and then I received this e-mail. I have shared this before. In addition, I have removed the e-mail addresses from the content. Pay particular attention to the 3rd paragraph.

From: Steve Thomas
Date: 2007/08/17 Fri PM 04:34:02 CDT
To: Marie Aylesworth
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Concern About The Group

Ms. Aylesworth,

Please accept my apologies for my previous misspelling of your name. No
disrespect intended.

While I appreciate your clarification, I again will have to restate my
policy of non-engagement with illegal alien apologists.

As is my duty and function within HSM, I have done some checking as to who
you are, and what you do for a living. As someone who works in Social
Services I can appreciate the liberal point-of-view that you have, when
approaching the illegal alien issue. As someone who is a City employee, and
not an elected official, I commend your bravery in taking a stand on this
issue, albeit, in my opinion, on the wrong side.

Again, I must say that we will never agree, nor will we be able to convince
the other that their logic is flawed. This issue will be settled through the
democratic exercise of political power. This is the American way. The fact
that 73% of Americans feel as we do, convinces me that we are on the right
side of the issue. Therefore, a debate with you would be pointless.
Arguments such as “this is a Federal issue” are being rejected by citizens
every day, or haven’t you been keeping up with current events? I am only
being considerate and respectful of your time, and wouldn’t want you wasting
it trying to convince HSM that we are misguided.

So why don’t we agree to disagree? Let us settle this in the public forum,
shall we, and make this our last private communication.

Best Regards,

Steve Thomas

What gave them a right to check my background?????

This may go without saying, but Greg is often inaccurate when he writes his blog threads. This case is no different.

He is misremembering perhaps, but he is most certainly mistaken when he claims that Annabel stated we were making a film for Korean Americans only. I have the conversation on tape, so I expect he’ll drop this one.

During our first interview, I mentioned that we have a lot of Asian American viewers, and asked him to comment on Pat Buchannan’s essay blaming legal immigration, in this case Korean immigration, for the Virginia Tech murders.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200705010008

(For the record, Greg strongly denounced Buchannan’s sentiments.)

Also, I apologize for forwarding the email without removing the names of senders and recipients. There is not a “spy” among the three people I sent it to. One of them mistakenly thought it was a “forward it to everyone” email and sent it his list, which is extensive.

Elena, I commend you for your courage. Bloggers, I thank you for your insights. The situation may look ugly today, but I need not remind you it was much uglier a year ago when your perspective was being censored or not expressed at all.

Greg, I’m sorry we’ve run afoul, I truly am. But I feel a duty to put the truth out there. We have not posted a single video that contained something that did not happen. I can’t say the same for your writing.

Steve Thomas frequently posts on Andy Harrover’s blog – My Side of the Fence, he was a former officer in Help Save Manassas. These folks believe intimidation is an acceptable form of doing buisness. And it’s very brave of you to step forward Marie.

“We have not posted a single video that contained something that did not happen.”

Oh come on. Your bias, displayed in editing and shaping, could not be more evident.

Marie,
Thank you very much for reposting this email from Mr. T.
I wonder if they would like if a private citizen were to do a “background check” on them?
Rick,
You are very good about answering questions. Did you not see my question to you about infiltraiting the OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HSM meetings? I’m not trying to be a pest here. I am very curious as to your opinion on this. I do like your willingness to challenge both sides at times.

Bring it On,
Mr. T’s really no longer a board member of HSM? Please, do tell.

I came to this immigration issue as a person who grew up in the 50s/60s South and witnessed discrimination – even in such minor daily actions as drinking from separate water fountains or using the restroom. Does that sound like the fear some posters on BVBL have of some ESOL students leaving germs in the classrooms? I was a Yankee in the South, a girl in math and science classes, an FBI agent’s daughter during the rough of it. It gave me another perspective – that of questioning stereotyping and discrimination where I saw it.

I read the early BVBL when it was mainly political infighting over Republican candidates for office. It sounded too nutty for me and I didn’t return to reading it until the immigration debate roiled over and Nick Miroff wrote his article on Letiecq for the WaPo. Since it appeared to be the only blog covering local politics, I contributed. My opinion was censored so I took my concerns about PWC issues to email with the BOCS as I will continue to do. (And I welcome this blog as an alternative for those whose voices were silenced.)

For me, the immigration issue is one best solved federally because I believe our federal laws should be uniformily applied across the country. We should not have a hodge-podge of differing statutes but a reasonable national immigration policy. I think immigration quotas should be increased to a realistic level, citizenship should be given to self-supporting people who have been in this country for 5-10 years, paid taxes, obeyed the laws, and can pass background checks. The borders shouldn’t be a sieve, but ,realistically, people are going to have to decide how much they’re willing to pay for the technology and fence to close them. And recognize that many undocumented people arrive here by plane.

It’s my personal opinion that PWC’s adoption of the immigration resolution was a costly mistake. I’ll give the BOCS members the benefit of the doubt about thinking that the emails in support of it originated with their constituents although we now know that not to be the case. The resolution has divided the county in a way that was unnecessary, has cost too many of our tax dollars in a tight economy, and made us appear as an example of extremism not just locally but nationally. The problems some residents faced should have been addressed by an increase in Neighborhood Services staff. The person who set in motion this fiscal and social fiasco, Robert Duecaster, has now been suggested for an appointment to PWC’s Strategic Goals Task Force. The person who failed to have the foresight to envision the mess and expense which he brought to our county, our neighborhoods, our homes, is now being rewarded with a chance to determine our future. This is a nomination I’m proud to oppose. Greg’s plastering of my name on his blog won’t intimidate me. It’s merely indicative of his attempt to silence private citizens who have opinions unlike his.

The have’s and have not’s are not based on skin color in this day an age, Rick. The problem is created by an invisible factor known as documentation status. I certainly don’t want this inequity to continue. I’m glad you do not also. Prince William County has proven, if nothing else, how costly it is when you try to forcibly remove large numbers of people at tax payer expense. So, unless we want the nation to endure the same chaos and racial tension we’ve seen in this county over the past year plus, we’ve got to agree on a solution that assimilates undocumented immigrants into society. This means some form of legalization, and both your Presidential choices favor it, along with the majority of the American people. Are you with us?

Nope. Give Amnesty and you invite YET ANOTHER wave in – the line has to be drawn somewhere, I favor drawing it where we can preseve decent wages and standards of living for American citizens.

Chris – are the meetings open to anyone? I’m really not sure. I would have guessed they were open to anyone who had joined or thought they might be interested in joining – or was pretending to.

Eric B – you came and shot an HSM meeting and selectively edited to make us look foolish. You could have more easily edited the footage of Chief Deane to make him look like a buffoon – or should I say, amplified and condensed his natural buffoonery. Frankly, that’s what i would have done with the footage.

When you pan your camera around, I’m visible in your footage and I don’t really like that. I don’t know the details but my sense is that you pulled a “Borat” on us.

Thank you, Censored. You bring such balance and logic each time you post.

I must say I whole heartedly agree with you as one who also witnessed “white only” drinking fountains and rest rooms, blacks having to go to the back of the bus, white restaurants not allowing entrance through the front door. Blacks had to get food at the back door. As a child and a teenager who grew up in Virginia, I always wondered why. Many of the same things the Duecaster’s echo the words of the past and sound very familiar to me. I could not understand it then and can not understand it now.

But my point was that Greg’s attempt to persecute those who disagree with him reminds me of darker days in American history. Hate groups have always gotten a head start on the rest of society for obvious reasons. We just want to live and let live. But once it has happened that a hateful mob has transformed a community into an unwelcome and divisive place, there have always been ordinary citizens ready to stand up to them. Those ordinary citizens, including the early Abolitionists, are the one with the fortitude to stand up for the ideals our country was founded upon. Those who sought to oppress them? Not so much.

I decry racism. I think though that in the last 40 years we’ve been training ourselves so hard not to be racist that we’ve veered away from common sense and are now self-immolating.

The Rule of Law is not racist and national sovereignty is not racist.

Ugh. Rick, stop with the Chief Deane attacks. You really do reflect badly on your organization when you do that.

Rick, the footage you refer to doesn’t make the regular citizens look bad. It may be bad for some of the speakers but they chose to use those words. Steve Thomas chose to use that music. Much of the footage is one party’s sloganeering before elections. I imagine many of the citizens were merely there to hear the candidates.

I think even Letiecq had no problem with the coverage until his Gospel Greg routine fell flat with his audience.

Bring It On
I do not think I am brave I just I refuse to be intimidated. I responded to him by saying something to this effect:
Just because I am an employee of the City does not mean that I do not have rights to express my opinion. Since I am a City employee, I have never come out in a public forum to express any views I have politically. Since your organization is not a City operated or funded organization, I felt comfortable in expressing my views to you and your leadership. Because I am a Social Services employee do not assume that I am a liberal.

Thomas and his use of the music was always good-natured and humorous, obviously having more to do with his personality and background than the issue itself.

The meeting is one thing – the selectively edited footage is another.

Rick, but Thomas apparently didn’t research – or was oblivious to – the choice of Wagner.

How would you edit the sheer volume of footage that 9500liberty has?

“Thank you very much for reposting this email from Mr. T.
I wonder if they would like if a private citizen were to do a “background check” on them?”

A friendly word of caution Chris. If my understanding of your past relationship with HSM is accurate, and history any indication of how they might react to a threat like this from you, you might be inviting someone to start trashing you. Afterall, I am sure that during your time with that organization, you must have made comments that might be embarrassing today. Everyone has “dirt” in their background. You must have had relationships with members that you’d prefer to distance yourself from, conversationsyou had, trusts that were are perceived violated when you left the organization. If you truely want this rancor stopped, then you should call for both sides to cease-and-desist, not throw out suggestions that these preople engage in the same tactics you decry. In doing so, you become part of the problem. Very, very hypocritical. I have yet to see someone from the organization publically trash you for leaving. Can you say the same? If “Mr. T” has chosen to walk away, then why not respect that decision. Hasn’t the organization respected yours? Maybe he has left, or maybe he hasn’t, but you have all noted his absence of late. Why is that important to you? If he has, let him. If he hasn’t, why poke a bear?

On the email that Marie has posted on occasion. Maybe I am missing something. Was this posted on a public forum by anyone but her? Did the HSM crowd try to get her fired? That would indicate that it was a threat. What I see is someone responding to an email sent by Marie, and in very respectful language says:

I know who you are, and I see where your point-of-view comes from, and I respect your opinion .

I don’t think we can come to any agreement, because our points-of-view are polar-opposite.

Let’s agree to disagree and move on.

Perhaps a bit cocky, but not dismissive, and certainly not disrespectful. If there is a threat in there, I don’t see it.

People, if you EVER want to have a positive impact on this debate, you need to take a higher road. Engaging in the same tactics you complain about will get you no where. Have you ever even offerred to engage Greg in a direct conversation and work out your differences?

Rick,
I disagree with you. The Rule of Law in its purest form is not racist but the Rule of Law Resolution crafted by the BOCS was clearly an attempt to target Hispanics. Listen to their rhetoric. They never mention any population of people.

Sorry,
They never mention any other population of people.

Ed,
It was the fact that they checked into my background. They had no earthly right to do so. You do not call that intimidation or at least trying to intimidate?? I posted the e-mail so that others might see that they members of HSM sometimes use less than honorable tactics.

As far as I know I am the only one who posted their response to my e-mails to them. I did have an opportunity to talk with Greg L. earlier this year about the background check and told him I did not appreciate it.

I am not at all comfortable castigating someone for playing Wagner. i think that when you get to that point you should step back, take a look at yourself, and try to mellow out a bit.

(Even at that, the music is best known for the scene in “Apocalypse Now” ["I love the smell of napalm in the morning"] and I would think this is why he referenced it, nothing to do with Germany much less Naziism).
(Research that).

Marie – most illegal aliens in our region are Hispanic. Because of geographical proximity this is where they’re coming from and this is the border we need to seal. But make no mistake – me and everyone I ever talked to in or out of HSm on this issue wants to treat ALL ETHNICITIES THE SAME.

What’s happening is a Rorscach (sic) test for people. is the anger over illegal immigration caused by panic about hispanics, or not? Well I think it’s primarily “not”.

Ed,
BTW I am retired now so I feel I can express my views under my own name and openly. I could have expressed my views all along because of my 1st amendment rights. I chose not to because I would never have wanted to do anything as a City employee that might give the appearance of disrespect for the City Manager or City Council.

Rick,

You are assuming Greg has a conscience. I am not so sure he does. He repeatedly takes a shred of truth and spins a cocoon of lies about that shred in order to assassinate the character of someone he deems an enemy (which is everyone who doesn’t think like him or do his bidding.)

HSM has invited people to join them for meetings. They have almost dared people to come to one.

Rick,
It is about the dignity of ALL human beings for me. I have said it before and I will say it again. Everyone has the right to be treated with dignity and respect whether it is you, me or an “illegal”.

Marie,

What did this check consist of? Googling up your name and seeing you are a city employee, or did they pull your finances and get your mdical records? I don’t mean to be sarcastic, but really, what is dishonerable about entering someone’s name in a search engine, and saying “I see why you have X point-of-view”?

Now if they forwarded it to the City manager, or threw it up on a blog (like you did), then I might believe that this was an attempt to threaten or intimidate. Since that didn’t happen…

What’s strange is why you feel the need to prove that your were threatened. Will that give you “street creds” here?

Remember, curses only work on those who believe in curses.

“dignity”, “respect”, okay to a point as long as we the people have the right to expect our laws to be enforced.

“He repeatedly takes a shred of truth and spins a cocoon of lies about that shred in order to assassinate the character of someone he deems an enemy” …

American two-party politics in a nutshell.

Talk is cheap. At this juncture, considering the level to which the idiocy of intolerance is allowed to fester in your community, something needs to be done NOW about what’s going on down there in Prince William County. Enough is enough already.

Here’s the email I sent this morning to your Board of County Supervisors:

From: Robb Pearson
To: cstewart@pwcgov.org, wcovington@pwcgov.org, mnohe@pwcgov.org, mcaddigan@pwcgov.org, gainesville@pwcgov.org, jjenkins@pwcgov.org, mcmay@pwcgov.org, fprincipi@pwcgov.org
Subject: Robert Duecaster
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:01:27 AM

Hello.

My name is Robb Pearson.

Last year I organized and led a rally in Morristown, NJ to protest against illegal immigration. It received national attention, as well as the rather acute attention of US Attorney Chris Christie. But several months ago, due to severely impacting events in my own life, I abandoned my anti-illegal immigration position and my leadership on the issue, and now advocate the extension of mercy and compassion to ALL immigrating people.

I’m contacting you in regards to Mr. Robert Duecaster’s pending appointment to the Strategic Task Force for Prince William County, the news of which has reached far beyond the boundaries of your community.

Mr. Duecaster’s unfortunate expressions of hate and his paranoid radicalism are clearly documented on video (please refer to link posted at the end of this email). His sentiments should disgust anyone with a conscience, and I can tell you in no uncertain terms that his appointment, if approved, is the straw that will break the camel’s back in your county, which has sadly become a center of gravity for prejudice against people of Hispanic-Latino heritage.

If Robert Duecaster is appointed it will ignite an unprecedented response the likes of which Prince William County may not yet have ever witnessed. Among demonstrations that are certain to be planned if the appointment is approved, I myself will lend my voice and leadership by actively promoting anti-intolerance and pro-diversity rallies to protest the disgusting cloud of intolerance that has descended on Prince William County.

Please, make a decision that is wise for your community, one which will not perpetuate discord but will advance unity. Refuse the appointment of Mr. Duecaster. Because people of conscience — inside and outside Prince William County — have finally had enough.

Thank you.

ROBB PEARSON

LINK:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45DFErK5LEw

At the end of the day, what’s happening in PWC has absolutely nothing to do with immigration at all. This is about intolerance, particularly intolerance towards Spanish-speaking people of Hispanic/Latino heritage. The “immigration issue” is simply a convenient political justifier.

And it needs to finally stop.

Ed, I have to say, I didn’t even bother reading your post directed at Chris.

Either you are Gospel Greg, or you’re a cheap imitation, but you’re doing the same thing: purposefully assuming something that is just plane false so you can attack a false scarecrow as if you believe your own deception.

Chris wasn’t threatening anyone. It’s a simple turn of phrase. I think Jesus said it first. Do on to others as you would have them do to you.

She’s asking rhetorically how people from HSM would like being treated the way their leaders, such as Mr. Thomas and Mr. Letiecq, have treated others.

Rick, that’s what I mean by Thomas not researching the music. He thought no further than “Apocalypse Now”. He should have known to be careful in choosing Wagner if he had any knowledge of the history. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt for making a dumb move rather than knowing the associations Wagner carries.

Ed,
I don’t know you. So, why should I considered your word of caution “friendly”. Anyways, I’ve not trashed them. I merely asked a question about Mr. T’. I am no fool. We all have “dirt” in our pasts, and yes that includes you, myself and everyone else.
I call things like I see them. That does offend some at times, and such is life. I have no desire to see things in this county spin anymore out of control than they already have. In my earlier post I clearly stated this was INSANE. Perhaps, I didn’t make it clear enough, but that goes for both and all sides. I’ve always said name calling and disrespect has no place in the debate.
Now, if you want to taken seriously, you should have the balls to give your real name, as I do. Until I know who you are and you seem to know who I am, I will engage the old ignore button on you.

HIGH FIVE AND A BIG THANK YOU, ROB PEARSON.

Robb,
It is interesting “hearing” your point of view from an outsider’s perspective. I fear the BOCS, hoping that if they passed a neutered down resolution, initially altered from Duecasters first draft, and then finally in the subsequent change in April, thought the immigration rhetoric would just go away. I have said this, to more than one supervisor, if you feed the angry beast (i.e. the growing hate and division), it will only hunger for more food. At some point, the Supervisors will have to stand up and speak the truth, from their hearts. Ultimately, until that undeniable leadership is shown to the citizens, I fear the extremism will continue to fester in our community.

Chris,
I love your forthrightness and tenacity.

Ed,
Now THAT was veiled threat if I ever saw one.

Chris you go girl!!!!

Ed, you seem to know a little bit too much about Chris for me not to see your ‘friendly’ was a little less than friendly.

You can bitch and fight all you want but, PWC still has illegal aliens. An illegal alien driving a car is just a bad as a drunk driving a car. Both are 100% preventable. Deportation and taking a cab.

We are all over the drunks as we should be with the illegals. All the other bitching and moaning is stupid. Illegal alien workers are not needed in the USA. Somehow our roads got built, houses got built, cheeseburgers were served and grass got cut before the hugh invasion of Illegal aliens. I know the USA can survive with them.

Amnesty sanctions illegal aliens. Anything you santion you will get more of. It’s not difficut to understand. No one has a right to enter the borders of the USA. It must be granted before you come here, not afterwards.

Dime

Boo Hoo, they’re threatening me! Boo Hoo, they’re so big and mean! Boo Hoo, Greg has a tattoo on his python-like arm that reads “Mama didn’t love me”! Boo Hoo, we’re vicitims of intimidation! Boo Hoo, they said they were going to beat me up! Boo Hoo Greg L kicked sand in my face! Boo Hoo.

I’ve seen most of you here at citizens time, Greg couldn’t intimidate you folks if he wanted to. You should have your own perfume called…..VICTIM!

“until that undeniable leadership is shown to the citizens”

Don’t hold your breath waiting for that too happen. Those with the most sway on the BOCS have too much to lose to rock the boat, Jenkins won’t endanger his own pet projects and Principe, at least at this point, is a lightweight. Unfortunately, Maureen and May are probably the best bets to stop the madness but I don’t think May has the stroke nor Maureen the stones to pull it off.

As I noted on the “other” site, one of the particularly onerous side effects of this “debate” is that it has drawn away from the focus on other important issues such as land use and transportation, to the extent that the Emperor Gerhart is free to craft all policy apart from the Resolution. Although the current debate has proven divisive, expensive and often times embarrassing, those other policy arenas hold the potential for a much greater, as currently constructed, detrimental impact on the county and its residents.

sorry, should read:

I know the USA can survive “WITHOUT” them.

Dime

“At some point, the Supervisors will have to stand up and speak the truth, from their hearts.”

You mean that they live in high-rent neighborhoods and don’t experience what it’s like when middle-class neighborhoods are overrun with flophouses, and that they benefit oh-so-much more than most of us from the increased business and dimninished wages that illegal aliens brought to town?

Rick, you are right about the 2 party system. It is sick and disgusting. However, those involved have millions of dollars in campaign funds and can fight fire with fire. The little people cannot. That to me is what makes GL so loathsome. His victims do not have the millions to defend themselves. There is no such thing as counter-attack.

Moon Howler,

Are you kidding me ? Your so called “victims” are not suppose to be in this county.

Dime

Mom is right. PWC is sidetracked. They are letting a few residents set the course.

The entire world spins on while PWC spins on its butt like a whirling dervish over immigration issues. The housing market is tanking, the stock market is tanking, parts of PWC are uglier than a mud post fence, and the talk still centers around illegal immigration because the chairman has hung his hat on this issue.

The newer folks to the county want open spaces and parks. The county still has not decided the outcome of Silver Lake. PWC keeps revisiting illegal immigration.

HSM supposedly rid of us of the problems. That is BS and more BS. It is time for the chairman to grow up and tell HSM to take a hike. It is time for the Gainesville supervisor to unjoin the organization. It is time for the anti-immigration folks to stop with the stupid FOIA requests and taking up employees’ time, It is time for the BOCS to get back to running the county and stop chasing after little tiny ‘illegals’ running amuck.

It is no wonder people become disenchanted with their local government. It is no wonder special interest groups take control.

We’re all victims of this sidetracked government and divided community, Dime. Even you. We all have better things to do than fight with each other. This whole thing is a tragedy, not of our making. The people who have lived here a long time are getting railroaded by people like Stirrup and Letiecq who’ve come along to turn us into a battleground for their own purposes.

Moon Howler,

Do you need a tissue? Maybe its this website that is part of the your problem?

Dime

Moon-Howler,

The “Resolution” and the Silver Lake debacle are merely twin sons of a different mother. My applogies if you are a member or supporter of the BRMC but their involvement in the Silver Lake fiasco, from Connaughton’s handling of the rezoning hearing to the present situation, is no less onerous than GL and HSM’s influence in the immigration debate. Nothing personal, but it is merely another example of the manner in which issues of the public interest are handled by most current members of the BOCS.

ShellyB,

The real victims are American citizens and legal immigrants.

Dime

Mom, no apology necessary to me. Others might not feel that same way. I belong to no organizations.

Dime, what an incredibly stupid remark you just made. Do some self reflection on that one. Let me see if I read you right…you can comment and I cannot. Ok, I understand now.

Good post, MH. The anti-immigrant/HSM/BVBL diehards followed Robert Duecaster’s advice. He didn’t have the foresight to see where the Immigration Resolution would lead so why should we give him a role in determining the future of this county. He’ll spend his time mewling about “benefits” any immigrant receives and bog down the rest of the committee in the hate that follows him everywhere. In the meantime, the BOCS will remain fixated on immigration. Perhaps one good thing that will come from next year’s mind-boggling budget cycle is the chance that the Board will put the silver bullet to the immigration resolution and its costs and stop thinking that running around with a little garlic around their necks will hold off Letiecq and cohorts. That crew (GL & clones) will never be satisfied and they’re wasting our tax dollars on their lunacy.

SA and Rick, if you were the ones being threatened with violence you wouldn’t dismiss it so easily (if you were smart, that is).

Moon Howler,

Are you trying to play the victim again? Is that you best argument? You keep trying to tell all of us to move on, nothing to see here, more important issues. Here you are everyday commenting. Seems to me that you are to one thats keeps bringing up this issue.

Dime

Slowpoke, you obviously don’t realize this has nothing to do with the immigration debate at this point. This has to do with people intimidating and threatening people because they don’t like what others have to say. This is the United States. I think GL and company have forgotten that and believe theirs is the only opinion that should be verbalized.

They can take their hate, their guns, their propaganda, their pathetic attampt at gag-orders and their agendas and stick it up their collective asses where it all belongs. It doesn’t belong in our government.

GL AND COMPANY: TAKE YOUR HATE OUT OF OUR COUNTY!

Dime, you are a victim too. You spend hours a day with your head and your heart filled with hate, all to serve this pied piper’s agenda. Don’t you miss your old self?

Mom,

Is there any hope in ending this merry go round of hatred? Maybe Connaughton could say something to wake people up? Maybe Tom Davis or John Warner? Prince William is becoming a frightening place to live, work, or play.

Dime,

Victim? When have I ever played the victim? Want to give some examples of that? Otherwise, you are just full of it like the rest of your little buddies.

Is it a merry go round, yes, of hatred, only at this particular point in time. The current atmosphere is only a side effect of the underlying problems, the end result of a Rube Goldberg like process of cause and effect initiated by the poor land use policies and planning that have going on for decades. Connaughton was part of the problem and unlikely to be the cure, Warner is all but out to pasture and Davis has his soon to open lobbying shop to worry about. No, there is no relief in sight from the current crop of local pols regardless their political flavor, if there is a solution it will have to come from without and if the atmosphere continues to grow in toxicity, perhaps the local population will grow angry enough to find it.

We do have a problem

They are hugely Hispanic. Because of geography those are the people who can get in here en masse.

They are frequently from Mexico.

Some use anchor babies to establish citizenship and it’s hurting this country.

Am I on topic?

If enforcing the law that the rest of us are entitled to “hurts Hispanics disproportionately” or offends someone’s politically correct sensibilities or makes illegals or those close to them feel uneasy, I for one don’t give a flying f***. This board was established I believe as a repository for civilized dialogue, and I try to work within a civilized framework, but my anger is deep and wide and I just have to take the time to tell you that my heart is not bleeding on this issue. And as I’ve mentioned before, at the end of the day I don’t really care all that much whether some of you think it means I’m racist, or not. It’s irrelevant to the larger (to me) issues which are respect for law, following rules (not just low-level workers, but large corportaions and the rich pr*cks who dominate our existence), and potential for wage equality within one’s own country. A desire not to see 20th Century history reversed, a desire to not see the middle class wiped out and my country turn into haves and have nots.

There is either a welcome mat out, or there is not.

Rick, you know, I completely respect your anger. I have family who feel the same way you do.

I don’t think you should point out Hispanics or Mexicans if you want to discuss immigration, though. That’s racist. Now if you want to talk about NAFTA or Mexican policy, then that’s another thing. Those discussions can be useful. But personalizing it to the people of this county, our neighbors no matter what their citizen status, just creates hard feelings and brings out the RAVING racists who really DO hate Hispanics because they can’t stand the smell of tacos or something equally as stupid.

You don’t need to bleed, but please don’t support people who want to see US bleed and HISPANICS bleed and MINORITIES bleed…..and I mean that literally. This has gone too far.

Elena, you said “It does NOT take rocket science to see he is insinuating that we have a hispanic problem from Mexico.”

While I don’t agree with some of what Duescaster says I don’t see how he is wrong with your summary of his comments. Most illegal immigrants are from the south via the Mexican boarder, it’s a fact. We don’t have as big of an illegal immigrant problem with Korean’s because they are separated by a sea, they can’t just walk over a very loose boarder. In your comment that I quoted, what is wrong about it?

I think that this is where some people here argue out of emotion because they either have family and/or friends (who are Hispanic) here illegally.

This looks like an extreme and paranoid attempt at “cover fire” for the Duecaster appointment vote tomorrow. It’s obviously of the utmost importance to Gospel Greg and John Stirrup that Mr. Duecaster be on this committee. Let ‘em!

Like “Mom,” I doubt the Board will show much spine on this one. It’s true that Gospel Greg has gone off the deep end … a little deeper this time attacking people who haven’t even said anything about him or the Disastrous One (McCarthy certainly came to mind but there are other even more deleterious villains of history).

My take: if the moderate members of the Board want to see John Stirrup and Corey Stewart further compromised by the radical extremists they keep company with, I suggest they allow this man to be appointed. Duecaster is beyond control. He couldn’t even stop himself from talking about guns and attack dogs on the SAME DAY Stirrup announced him for the nomination.

We’re looking at months of bad press, and months of discord, all of which will be blamed on Mr. Stirrup’s inane decision to appoint such a frightening figure to a Human Services committee. The patience of the public is already wearing thin. this could be the final straw.

I say let the Duecaster Disaster run rough shod over the committee, let him make outrageous speeches and drag the meetings on till midnight. Let him taint the entire process, and further erode the citizens’ trust and confidence in this Board and in this government.

Yes, our reputation and our local economy will suffer all the more. But the economic and social disaster these radical extremists have caused will be all the more tied to the utter failure of the Immigration Agenda of the 2007 Election, and the fact that these hapless zealots have not been able to let go of their campaign attack mode, nearly a year after the election has passed.

When Corey and Weasel John try to defend their seats 3 years from now, they’ll be sorry they let Gospel Greg stick his bony fingers up their sock puppet spines.

Rick, which fields/trades do you think have been impacted the most locally?
Any time there has been a construction boom, there have been workers who moved into this area to take advantage of it. At one point many white Texans moved here. My former neighbors moved down from Ohio and Pennsylvania to work on construction sites. All of these guys were competition to local tradesmen and only one of them that I knew was a union member so they didn’t have any wage protection.

Hello, First of all, please be careful not to assume everyone on this blog is Caucasian.

Those who are Caucasian probably do have family or friends who are ethnic anddon’t have a problem with it. It’s who we are as a country. We are a diverse society.

People like Robert Duecaster are unacceptable policy makers for us, not because we are “emotional” due to having friends or loved ones who are ethnic.

It’s common sense that has forced us to speak out. We are all part of the same community, and it’s simple practicality to accept that fact and not politicize it. We can’t attack one part of this community without hurting ourselves in the process.

To Chris and the rest of the Amen Chorus here:

My advice WAS friendly. I only know Chris from the few HSM meetings I attended last year, back when she was one of the leaders of the organization, and from the article written about her in the WaPo. She seemed to believe in what she was doing at the time, and I respect that. For whatever reason, maybe a crisis of consience, she decided to leave the organization. The reason is her’s alone, and I can respect that too.

I try read this blog every day. I also try to read bvbl every day. I only comment when I have something to say, and if you go back and read my comments, I am not rude or disrespectful of other’s opinions. I do believe that the goals of HSM, the enforcement of US immigration laws at all levels of government are sound and honorable. What has kept me from joining the organization is that I don’t want to become so focused on a single issue, that I stop caring about all of the other important issues facing the country, state, county and cities. The war on terror. $4+ gas. Healthcare, etc. These are all important. I don’t believe that if we get rid of all illegals, all of our problems will be solved, but I do believe that focusing on the ones that commit crimes and deporting them will help address the “ugly” side of illegal immigration. I think we need zero-tolerence zoning laws, which not only address over-crowding by illegals, but infractions by everyone else too. I don’t want to live next to a trashed-out flop house, regardless of WHO lives there. I also think that the original intentions of the ladies who started this blog are honorable. Nothing should just “fly” through government without debate, representative or direct. I think in the rush and emotion of getting the resolution passed, rational discussion was given short shrift. Both sides have become mired in petty name-calling and junk-yard tactics. BOTH SIDES

For the record, I am not a supporter of Mr. Duecaster. I think many of his comments are inflamatory, but I suspect that is his intent, much like many of the posters on both blogs. Also, if he did indeed make derogatory comments about the physical appearence of the ladies who operate this blog, then that shows a lack of class on his part.

In responding to my post, Chris, you have proven my point. Everyone perceives everything as a “threat”. Anti-bvbl trashes Greg, Corey, Duecaster, “Mr. T”, and throws around names like “racist” “nativist”, “nazi”, and more hateful things about people who want nothing more than the law enforced. Bvbl trashes Alanna, Elena, the 9500 liberty crew, and uses names like “communist” , “anarchist”, “leftists” and more hateful things. They checked us out. Let’s check them out. They put my email up on a blog, let’s put a picture of their house up on ours. I condone none of it. Both sides are in a death-spiral.

I wasn’t threatening anyone, but the hyper-sensitivity here is very telling. I pointed out that you, Chris, walked away from HSM for whatever reason it was. It would appear that others may have as well. If that is the case, then let it be. If you stir the pot, don’t be surprised when it splashes back on you. You know how it works. That’s all I am saying. If you want to know whether “Mr. T” is still involved, why don’t you just call him up or ask him, instead of turning to idle gossip and speculation? I am sure your must have spoken to him in the past and have his contact info around. Then you can come back and tell all of your friends what the truth is.

For the VERY few on both blogs who care about finding a sensible solution to illegal immigration, I suggest that you look elsewhere for answers. All you will find at either site is rancor, name-calling, anger, and even hatred for our fellow citizens. This isn’t partisan politics. This is a gang-fight.

I will not be visiting this blog or BVBL in the future. Neither side will give an inch. Neither side will discuss or compromise.

How can you point out the speck in your brother’s eye, and ignore the log in your own.

MOM is correct. We are being distracted. The appointment of someone (Duecaster) to a committee that will generate a report that no one will read and Gerhart will ignore is not a serious issue.

Gerhart and company, in alliance with the development community, are slipping “Centers of Community” right under our noses while everyone is focused on immigration. This will be a disaster for Prince William County. I posted at length on this, and referred to other corruption and shennanigans in the County government, on today’s thread on BVBL. Please read that. This is an issue upon which BVBL and anti-BVBL regulars can find common ground. I’d be delighted to share information, and likely seek support to rectify the problems in the near future, with readers of both blogs.

Elena – we have met in the past and I knew you as a leader among those seeking to promote sensible development in PWC and protect the Rural Crescent. If the BOCS approves “Centers of Community” in November, you can say goodbye to both.

This is utter chaos. People have the right to their opinions. It’s so clearly not about “immigration” at all anymore. These bullies want to climb on top of our Board of Supervisors’ desks and take over this government. They’ve been losing ground all year and they’re using these appointments to try to get some of their power back.

What does that have to do with “immigration?” Nothing. It’s about our democracy and whether we want to see our Supervisors bullied and pushed around.

You know who needs to stand up to this crowd?

Corey Stewart.

NGL – first of all, I never said anything about “everyone on this blog is Caucasian”, I’m not sure where you got that. Second, I didn’t say some people here “are “emotional” due to having friends or loved ones who are ethnic.” I said that they may argue out of emotion because they have Hispanic family and/or friends who are here illegally. Being ethnic has nothing to do with being here illegally.

I was simply asking Elena what is incorrect with the statement ““It does NOT take rocket science to see he is insinuating that we have a Hispanic problem from Mexico.” she had in her post. We do have an illegal immigrant problem and yes, they are mostly from south of the boarder.

Please read more carefully before you put words in my mouth, thanks.

Well, this may be hard to imagine. But if you are a person of color, it’s no big deal if you know people of color and/or have them in your family. You’re born that way.

And, people of color tend to have some solidarity with one another, especially when one group is targeted. That’s why you see dips in the African American community’s confidence in the fairness of the police and government, when it has been the Hispanic community that was targeted by the HSM crowd.

So, if you’re talking about someone who has sympathy due to known any ethnic person, you’re talking about a white person. It’s not a crime. Just reminding you some of us are not white.

kgotthardt, the arguement is largely about the illegal Hispanic population and the pandering our federal politicians do to the Hispanic voting bloc. Not all Hispanics support illegal immigration but many do, as it involves friends and family more often than it does for the rest of us. In terms of national politics, “illegal” and “Hispanic” are connected. The villians in this story – the elitist business owners who fight for cheap labor and the crooks who steal across the border – are going to continually use ethnicity to forestall law enforcement so I think we need to face up to the perhaps unpalatable truth that this fight, this disagreement, this struggle correlates in a major way to ethnicity.

In America, right now, if you are Hispanic and can pretend not to speak English, following the law is optional. I won’t accept that. I won’t settle for two sets of rules here.

What’s “gone too far”? What’s happened or is happening? An attempt to deport people here illegally, and discourage further illegals from coming here? Seems to me this is taking place without “blood” being shed.

If I recall correctly, Steve Thomas was one of the first posters on Anti? He obviously posts quite frequently on a number of different local blog sites. I’m sure he’d be more than welcome to comment here again.

“Rick, which fields/trades do you think have been impacted the most locally?
Any time there has been a construction boom, there have been workers who moved into this area to take advantage of it. At one point many white Texans moved here. My former neighbors moved down from Ohio and Pennsylvania to work on construction sites. All of these guys were competition to local tradesmen and only one of them that I knew was a union member so they didn’t have any wage protection.”

Yes. But they were used to a standard of living that didn’t involve stacking in to townhouses dozens at a time, so they needed to pay more in rent and they paid more in property tax per capita. So now they’re at a strong disadvantage as far as being able to compete with those who come here to settle for less and to make us all poorer.

Who is affected? Pretty much anyone whose job description doesn’t include higher education, or fluent English.

NGL – you said:

“So, if you’re talking about someone who has sympathy due to known any ethnic person, you’re talking about a white person. It’s not a crime. Just reminding you some of us are not white.”

What??? Sorry but I still don’t get what your trying to say here about me…

“In America, right now, if you are Hispanic and can pretend not to speak English, following the law is optional. I won’t accept that. I won’t settle for two sets of rules here.

I don’t think this is the case at all, which is why we have translators in court. I’m not sure where you are getting that, Rick.

What’s “gone too far”? What’s happened or is happening? An attempt to deport people here illegally, and discourage further illegals from coming here? Seems to me this is taking place without “blood” being shed.”

“Gone too far” means the hate speech, the hate groups, the targeting, and the violent threats. Rick, can’t you see these people are violent? You don’t go around talking about distributing weapons, showing up at a freaking 7-11 in army fatigues, calling yourself foot soldiers, advocating people to threaten a bunch of MOMS with GUNS unless you have a real screw loose. THAT is what is out of hand.

Witch hunting is out of hand. Spending every last dime and then some on a policy that didn’t work is out of hand. YES, we MUST fix immigration laws, but violence and bankrupting our county isn’t going to do a damn thing except make things worse.

I think what Hello is saying is that for him/her, it is difficult to imagine having sympathy for another group unless you know or are related to someone from that group. I can relate to this, and it is a truthful statement.

“Yes. But they were used to a standard of living that didn’t involve stacking in to townhouses dozens at a time,”

Unfortunately, some of “US” are used to that because we’ve been poor, Rick. Take it from me. I used to live in a “flop house.” It’s no way to live.

“Who is affected? Pretty much anyone whose job description doesn’t include higher education, or fluent English.”

Rick, we are all affected just in different ways. We desperately need a viable work program in this country, which is why I keep saying agencies that can hire immigrants AND citizens are the answer here. Agencies level the wage-earning playing field. They are competitive and fair. They offer health insurance. Please….someone listen to this idea????? It’s like no one wants to find solutions….they just want to create more problems and hatred because it’s easier.

I think what NGL is saying is that not everyone on the blog is Caucasian, so you can’t transfer the same feeling to everyone on this blog.

We have enough back-and-forth going on in this county as it is, people. This is small potatoes.

“it is difficult to imagine having sympathy for another group unless you know or are related to someone from that group”

What about human experiences? Have we not all felt pain, fear, loss of loved ones, anxiety, sadness….? Why can’t we use these common experiences to help build the bridges we desperately need. We do’nt need to have brown skin or be chased out of our countries to understand this. We have to look at humanity, human behavior, feelings….my goodness, “are we not human?”

Just the Facts, if you want us to read something about Centers of Community, please post it here. Many of us refuse to read Greg’s website, since it does not allow a free exchange of ideas. Dissenting views are censored there, that’s why this is the blog everyone goes to for dialogue, and that’s the blog for laughs.

And many of us couldn’t even access his (vile) site even if we wanted to.

Shelly, that isn’t what I was saying, the only thing I was saying is that some people here debate using emotion because they have friends and/or family here illegally. NGL took that and ran in some other direction with it which I’m still trying to figure out.

I think anyone can have sympathy for any group regardless of any relationship. I don’t agree with just about anything kgotthardt says but she is correct in her above comment.

sorry, not the vile comment, the one above that.

Ed is correct. Both blogs are devoting more and more time to name calling and petty arguing. Shelly B. is also right, we are all entitled to our opinions. However, does anyone remember Mr. Gerhart’s report last week? Remember 1.6% of all arrests in this county were illegals? This was a damning report that showed just how much the original Resolution has been gutted. GL has gotten this report off the front page and out of the discusion. Duecaster is one man; one man on a committee of 11. If this committee makes policy recommendations to the BOCS it must vote on these recommendations first. That’s five more people on this committee who buy into his and GL’s agenda. Then the BOCS must approve these policy changes. Both of these scenarios seem rather remote. In the meantime, important facts are being ignored because of some very clever manipulating of the headlines. Stay on message! Focus on what this blog was designed to do. A positive message backed up by reliable facts will serve to continue to give this blog creditability. Right now, GL is probably laughing his a$$ off because he has shifted the discusion away from a area that he can’t put a positive spin on.

Duecaster is the last human being we need on a committee designed to serve human beings. He lacks the skills never mind the stability. GL can laugh as hard as he wants. I don’t find his or Duecaster’s threats amusing.

Well said, Ivan. The Duecaster thing is a distraction from the very damning news that came out last Tuesday. I think that’s why Letiecq and Stirrup tried to do them on the same day. But it backfired on them in a lot of ways. We spent several news cycles talking about three much more important things:

1) Just 1.6 percent of crime committed in this county is by undocumented people. This does not justify the 11 million dollars in tax payer funded expenditures and the destruction of the county’s reputation and local economy.

2) People in our OWN county are losing faith in county government and our police force because of this disastrous policy / never-ending-campaign strategy employed by Corey Stewart and John Stirrup. It’s no longer just a perception from without.

3) Perhaps the most damning and most frustrating revelation last Tuesday was that many of the people we are spending millions of dollars to turn over to ICE are let go within months and end up right back where they started. It’s an expensive and useless dance we’re doing, one that serves only a small, very small number of people: Greg, Corey, and John.

If anyone does go to Citizens Time tomorrow, please spend 2 and a half minutes talking about these three facts, and mention the Duecaster thing at the end, if time.

“I don’t think this is the case at all, which is why we have translators in court. I’m not sure where you are getting that, Rick.”

I’m not going to share everything; it would make me identifiable. But I’ve seen this done not only in small ways (kids acting like they can’t understand the police telling them not to ride motorbikes dangerously in parking lots) but in larger ways that involved hundreds of thousands of dollars. It attuned me to the fact that certain crimes are okay if you’re non-English speaking and Hispanic (identity fraud, hit-and-run, harboring criminals, etc.).

“It’s like no one wants to find solutions….they just want to create more problems and hatred because it’s easier.”

My hatred is aimed at those in this country who lie cheat and steal. But yes the aim is to send the illegal immigrants back home.

I’m only open to solutions that do not include letting people be rewarded for breaking in here. Primarily because that will only fuel even more breaking in. This is fundamental. If Barack Obama and John McCain don’t see or accept that, I don’t care, it’s still fundamental.

The fight that I undertake and in a much more active way Greg undertakes is not actually EASY at all, what with both political parties being pro-Amnesty as far as they can get away with, and local officials always keen to claim “it’s a federal problem” if my community goes to heck in a handbasket, nevertheless we are on course to win. because at the end of the day common sense is common sense.

Ed,
I feel threatened by no one, and certainly not anyone from HSM. Nor, did I feel threatened in the least my your comments to me.
Even we have a common ground, Mr. Ed. My concern for the county goes way beyond the borders of illegal immigration. I care about public health and safety issues first and foremost. I care about the overall quality of life for those in the county. My stance on illegal immigration has NOT changed in the least. I’ve had to put up with a lot of nasty stuff in my neighborhood, as I’m sure you are well aware.
I got sick and tired of everytime I read something it was always trashing the county or the two cities. I am all for reasonable and rational debate. I really hate the Coverstone crap. And since you’ve been reading both blogs, I don’t need to fill you in on how I feel about that. Now, do I?
I truly believe you’d be very hard pressed to find anyone in this county that truly loves it and wants the very best for it more than ME. I’ve only addressed true concerns, and true unembelished recounts of things I’ve seen in my county. And I can assure, sir. I’ve never seen the climate like it is today. And that’s not a good thing. It’s time for all to put their preconceived notions away and begin to work TOGETHER like the responsble adults we are.
As far as contacting Mr. T or anyone else from HSM. I will do that of my OWN free will and not at your reccomendation. And, in case you are wondering have contacting some on many occassions since my departure.
The truth of the matter is I could care less where Mr. T or anyone else is. I live my life on my thoughts and my terms, and not on the thoughts of others.

Ed,
You can’t possibly see this as threat. Do you? I just asked a question as in how would they like it if the tables were turned on them.
Ed, 15. September 2008, 10:15
“Thank you very much for reposting this email from Mr. T.
I wonder if they would like if a private citizen were to do a “background check” on them?”

A friendly word of caution Chris. If my understanding of your past relationship with HSM is accurate, and history any indication of how they might react to a

Rick, the Ohioans were the overcrowders that impacted me. They had every intention of returning to their hometowns when the economy there picked up. They crowded into the house to save money too – for dope and booze. Immigration status mattered not.

I agree that the economic impact on our county’s budget is the Duecaster/Resolution legacy and it’s the point I’ve emphasized in my letters to the BOCS. Appointed committee members can be marginalized by saner voices on the committee. I often think Supervisors appoint to some of these boards the crackpots who have been pains in the ass as a way of saying, “okay, loudmouth, let’s see you solve the problem”, knowing that the appointee will have to face reality and perhaps even see a different perspective. (And then there’s the example with which I’m familiar where the appointee stole the committee’s documents never to return them.)

Censored,
I like thoughts on the appointees. Here’s some of mine from another thread. I really think you are to something.
Chris, 12. September 2008, 17:04
It really doesn’t matter who the BOS appoints. The BOS will ulimately do what they want to do. Different views are opposed all the time.
Mom,
Fireside was just the beginning. When they get there bill from the PWCSA I wonder how much they’ll be liking that running water.
Consistency, haha, that’s one thing this BOS won’t be accused of anytime soon in my opinion.

As mean-spirited and damaging to this county as Stirrup’s appointment is, it was his appointment, not the appointment of the people he represents. Rather than judge him now. Judge him three years from now when he faces a moderate Republican or an independent challenger. At this rate, the man could even lose to a Democrat.

The voters get their say in three years. In the mean time, you can rely on the moderate members of the Board: May, Covington, Nohe, Jenkins, and Caddigan, to guide the county away from the disaster of 2007. The radical extremists Corey and John will be canceled out by Principi. What we’re facing right now is a P.R. problem more than anything. That’s why this Duecaster things is so disappointing.

But it doesn’t mean we’ve lost total control of our government. We can’t control Corey and John Stirrup. Greg controls them. But we knew that already.

Don’t let this take the focus away from the three big news items of the year:

1) Just 1.6 percent of crime committed in this county is by undocumented people. This does not justify the 11 million dollars in tax payer funded expenditures and the destruction of the county’s reputation and local economy.

2) People in our OWN county are losing faith in county government and our police force because of this disastrous policy / never-ending-campaign strategy employed by Corey Stewart and John Stirrup. It’s no longer just a perception from without.

3) Perhaps the most damning and most frustrating revelation last Tuesday was that many of the people we are spending millions of dollars to turn over to ICE are let go within months and end up right back where they started. It’s an expensive and useless dance we’re doing, one that serves only a small, very small number of people: Greg, Corey, and John.

I agree with WHWN: Duecaster might make life hell for a handfull of committee members, but he won’t be able to do anything to hurt the rest of us.

FOCUS ON THE BIG THREE!

1. 1.6 percent of crime in this county

2. government’s loss of faith and trust with county residents during Stewart’s tenure

3. ICE is a broken system returning what criminals we DO find to be undocumented almost as soon as possible to our county. We are throwing money away!

WHWN and ShellyB I would add to what you posted the fact that real estate assesments continue to fall, tax revenue is declining and the State is facing budget cuts across the board. This all adds up to additional PWC budget cuts next year along with another round of tax increases. Hopefully people will open their eyes to the complete waste of taxpayer money this Resolution has caused.

Yes, all the more reason to stop the political sniping and focus on the people’s business. Please Supervisors. I know you are reading this. Help this county turn around, and let us know you have it covered, so we don’t feel so alone!

Let us know you’re not afraid of bullies. We need this so we can have faith in you.

Ivan & Shelly,
We’ve still not seen the worst of the property values. The banks are buying them for one thing, and selling them for much less. So the last sale on record with the assessment office is what the bank bought it for. Then the bank sells it for substantially less, who knows how many months later. Some of these houses have been bank owned for almost two years now. They’ve set empty and had many water pipes burst leaving stand water behind causing serious mold problem. And those houses will be sold for even more rock bottom prices.
There’s no doubt we will see an even bigger tax hike next year, and will be getting even less services than this year. We still have a long ways to go before this nightmare is over.

Well. Thanks for the shot of realism, Chris. Can’t say I like hearing it.

So, we can deal with all of our real problems, or we can obsess about 1.6 percent of the crime committed in our community. What will it be Supervisors?

I agree, Chris, the real estate market hasn’t bottomed out by a long shot. As gas prices shoot up and ARMs adjust, people will spend less and sales taxes, business-related fees, assessments will continue to fall. People will be in no mood to spend millions to chase 1.6% of the jail population at the expense of schools, services for the elderly, roads, libraries. Every tax dollar will become precious.

I am VERY concerned about 48 of those once on ICE detainers being rearrested in our county. I wonder how many of the others ICE supposedly depoted we arrested in other jursidictions.
Shelly,
Sorry, but I am a realist living in the real world. I wouldn’t think anyone would like to hear that news on the house values.
Censored,
If this past budget cycle has not folks anything about how precious our tax dollars are, then I’m sure anything will. Well, sadly next year they will have another year to figure it out.

corr: If this past budget cycle has not *TAUGHT* folks anything about how precious our tax dollars are, then I’m sure anything will.

kgotthardt,

There was nothing in my post that spoke of the immigration issues, so excuse ME, but I do realize what it’s about. It’s about certain folks constantly whining about some sort of imagined threat of violence against them. Constant made up (or at least psychologically unsound) phobia of GL, who is built much more slightly than the aforementioned people.

You all make good points. Let Duecaster run his own sideshow for a couple more months. Everyone already thinks we’re racists anyway.

But damn did we ever pick the wrong time so shoot ourselves in the foot.

“My hatred is aimed at those in this country who lie cheat and steal. But yes the aim is to send the illegal immigrants back home.”

But Rick, don’t you see it’s HATRED that is getting in the way of getting things done? You won’t see things change so long as hatred divides us like it has. Hatred requires effort, Rick. Why are you expending your effort on that and not on some reasonable action? Hatred can’t do anything but make you and everyone else ill physically, emotionally and spiritually. That’s the problem we have in this county. It’s ill and no one is treating the disease.

BTW, I know people who “play dumb” to the law all the time and they are native born Americans who speak perfect English. People do it to cops all the time. In fact, people do it to each other all the time. If you are a cop or something, you might see it from a different perspective, but believe me, I’ve seen this “dumb” routine in every other place as well (one place is in the classroom).

Slowpoke, talk to me the next time someone advises others to buy guns to use on you.

I take these threats VERY seriously and have good reason to. If you want to deny the reality of them, then go for it but you are either covering up for them or just closing your eyes. What’s it going to take, an actual shooting for you to believe and to make people take action against these nut cases?

You’re one of those who would just ‘blame the victim’ no matter what happens, a mentality I have no use for.

Good Day, Sir.

Sorry Shelly, but I’m not going to overlook government irresponsibilty in appointing this man. If we do that once, they will continue to do as they please. Corrupt government happens because people let these things slide.

There’s no sliding here. “Not in my town.”

Yeah, let’s get Duecaster, the man who hates his own county, region and country:

“Anti-Mart Nohe, BOCS Member and Anti-Woodbridge, Arlington, and Manassas Park

Advocator said on 14 May 2008 at 1:29 pm:

Great quote, Ron, from my philosophical hero. I’ve got no sympathy at all for the liberals who elected Tejada. I’d like to ship the rest of our illegals there so they can pay for their health care, the schooling of their little darlings, the clogging of their traffic court, their translators, and all the rest of the social services and infrastructure they steal from legal, taxpaying residents.Incidentally, our very own little Marty Nohe jumped up last night at Guvnor Goober’s soiree in Hoodbridge and introduced himself and drooled all over the Goober’s plan to raise our taxes.http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/25/happy-memorial-day/

Advocator said on 14 Apr 2008 at 9:18 pm: By the way, Trufe. I’d be willing to sacrifice NYC, San Fran, LA, a large part of DC., Arlington, and Manassas Park”

HUGE market crash today.( NO SURPRISE)
It HAS been coming and people that paid attention could CLEARLY see it. I am SICK to my stomach as I have had ONE of my (MANY ) questions answered today and that is, is this illegal immigration issue ( after DECADES) a DISTRACTION?

With the Gov .seizure of Fred Mac/Fan Mae…to Lehman Bro.’s and Bank of America buying Merril Lynch…NOTE the date of this article about the FDIC ( lol, this almost sounded like a country song….if we play it backwards to we get it all back with no tear in a beer?)

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBNG28670420080827

Did I say overlook? I didn’t mean to if I did. I’ve been paying close attention as these guys ran us in the ground the past year.

But someone rightly said it’s more a reflection on the extremists on the Board, Stirrup in particular, than on the county. It’s like when you have a batty old Aunt, you might be embarrassed by her but you can’t kick her out of the family.

To explain my post at 18:09
Just posting this for those that have not heard the question/JOKE of- if you play a country song backwards do you get it all back?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbT-MbDEnWA

If Duecaster’s appointment is defeated, it will be a significant symbolic victory.

3 things

1.Awcheney’’s blog covers some very detailed/time consuming IMPORTANT information that NO matter where you stand in this debate, the PIECES of the puzzle can be found there.

2.I can’t wait to see what my presidential candidate ( Bob Wills) has to address tomorrow. GO BOBBY

3. I find it terribly WRONG that email address’ where posted . It is ONE thing to post the freakin’ email…BUT the address? Just put the shoe on the other foot! This poses a potential harm when all it takes is for a name to be displayed for VULTURES to eat it up with ASSUMPTIONS……
shame the fu#k on that!

I miss the ole’ PWC that I grew up in and tried to protect. Things have changed and I am ashamed.

Red Dawn and Chris have both addressed areas of critical concern that go way beyond the immigration issues. Stirrup will be reminded of the finger he gave us all come the next election cycle but today, he and his appointee are but a blip on the importance radar.

Meanwhile, we have a county that is teetering on the brink of financial disaster because of the gutted housing market. While people such as GL try to put a positive spin on it, there really isn’t a positive spin. Our values are down twice as much and in some neighborhoods 3 times as much as in any surrounding jurisdiction. There has to be a reason for this disparity.

The DOW dropped over 500 points today. The Nasdeq fell 81 points and the S & P dropped 59 points. AIG just might not make it. Lehman Bros was a powerhouse. Just about everyone’s 401K or 403B has been clobbered the past month. With money being redefined, how will our AAA bond rating look in a week, a month or a year? Remember, the better the bond rating the cheaper the interest rate.

As a county we HAVE to stop wasting money on someone’s pet project like chasing down ‘ilegals’ in the street. It is no longer an option. Just look at today’s numbers.

email address’s WERE( instead of where) posted…oh yeah, what did you expect from PWC Redneckville CHEERS

Lehman’s shares were selling at $50 a share to NOW 18 CENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this redneck pays attention to GREEN backs…:)

It’s all unraveling, massive depression on the horizon, unknowable civil unrest, and Corey Stewart is busy driving out some of the most productive members of our community.

Johnny Jenkins is bitching and moaning about 6 vans in front of a house. But those 6 vans mean 6 breadwinners, making money, paying taxes, buying products, and keeping our economy afloat. Six breadwinners in one house. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Now those houses sit vacant, and we all have to pay to keep them looking nice. Money we don’t have.

This is the end of Prince William County.

It’s time to build Noah’s Ark.

Or move to Margaritaville.

Red Dawn, see if you can find a song for Mackie. He needs cheering up bad…

Maybe the best investment one can make now is guns, ammo and MREs. They might increase in value in the future.

Oh dear. Red Dawn. I’m sorry. I missed what you wrote. You need cheering up too. The truth is, I needed cheering up too. The song was for me.

Mackie, if you keep on talking about guns, you might end up with a PWC committee appointment. What’s your schedule like?

I’m sure the BOCS is quaking in fear now that Robb hath threatened 7 plagues upon them, asking themselves, “Robb– who?.”

Such high drama, and at the end of the day you really can’t be sure who your friends are, can you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOZ6xFxJqg

LMAO….I thought I topped ‘CHEESY’ when I had to break out Jefferson Starship ( and I was LMAO, when I posted that night) or can I? Justin anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l3NtIKqsYM

all in good FUN, you assuming people out there

Thanks Red Dawn (=

When I was growing up here, I thought Georgia was sooooooooooo far away, like a different country….hmmmm…small world after all and what a tangled web WE all weave…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDm_ZHyYTrg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAhIGxVNAOI

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe the 48 re-arrested in PWC were actually deported, but turned right around and snuck back in? I mean, it’s not like it’s a difficult thing to do. I remember watching a news clip leading up to the resolution, where some day-laborers were interviewed using an interpreter. The interviewee, when asked what he would do if he were deported, said that he would be back in a month. All it took was $3000 and he would be right back here in PWC.

Does anyone here disagree that we need to secure the borders? Patch the hole in the boat first, then start bailing. I think if we had secure borders, people would be more inclined to consider a comprehensive immigration bill, that included a limited amnesty.

Emma,

Luv it and thanks for the memory.

ANYONE that is wise ( truthfully LEARNS from experience) knows that you are lucky in your LIFETIME to count friends on ONE hand. I emphasize LIFETIME!
That is where that saying comes in keep your friends and your enemies closer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHNuY-nptGo

posted by RD…quota BS again..hmmm??????? LOL

“That is where that saying comes in keep your friends and your enemies closer.”

Hmmm–could it have been Eric and/or Annabel stirring the pot for some new material?

One wonders…

Emma,
NEW material? YOu missed my point about being WISE. I know you are smart and I respect you but you also bring up my point about the DANGERS of ASSuming ….

Emma,

Luv it and thanks for the memory.

ANYONE that is wise ( truthfully LEARNS from experience) knows that you are lucky in your LIFETIME to count friends on ONE hand. I emphasize LIFETIME!
That is where that saying comes in keep your friends and your enemies closer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHNuY-nptGo

Emma,

To CLARIFY, I am not saying You are ASSuming..you are asking and I have NO problem with that ( as far as Eric stirring the pot) The DANGER point I was trying to make was posting email address- ANYONE can be sent a email..hence where the danger/disrespect looms…

Greg decided he wanted a big circus tomorrow, Emma. He sat on the “intel” for two weeks and sprung it the day before, hoping he can create some massive display of power. I have serious doubts that he will rally big numbers of people to vouch for Robert Duecaster. He’s famous, or infamous, and not in a good way. He frightens people of color. And most of the people I know who supported the Resolution never intended it to have that effect. So why vouch for Duecaster?

That’s hitting it on the head, NGL. The best reason I’ve heard to question Stirrup’s judgment with this selection of Duecaster.

We are trying to correct a false perception that this county is a scary place for non-white people.

It’s one thing to want your neighbors to follow certain rules of assimilation. Everyone wants that, even the new people. I never wanted that reputation. Never.

This appointment makes it seem as if Stirrup does want that. And that’s a bit unnerving.

Well, you might have a point, NGL, if we could all assume that anti-bvbl would NEVER, EVER do such a thing if such intelligence fell into their hands. I think we know the answer to that.

Emma,

You would not believe the intelligence I have. Have you seen it posted here? NOOOOO!

Now, LePinhead (thanks to the poster that coined that), has a thread up challenging that Eric and Anabel are members of the media. He sure considered them media when he thought he was going to be a star in their videos. Too bad he came off as the horse’s a$% he is. Then he didn’t like it anymore. Boo hoo.

Red Dawn,

That is where that saying comes in keep your friends and your enemies closer.

Don Corleone taught us well. Never take sides against the family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_DEzxd2R3Y

Duecaster has taken sides against the Prince William Family. Let’s make him an offer he can’t refuse…

Yeah, I’ve heard you even have pictures.

What? Mackie is going to put a horse’s head on Duecaster’s pillow??

Just read TWIN’S post. Maybe you should put a horse’s ass on his pillow instead.

kgotthardt,

What do you mean? Duecaster IS a horse’s ass!

Big Mack,

Truth comes out eventually… even when you think your work well with udders…..OPPPS, I mean others

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1h1VweAU2M

LOL! Mackie….

Red! Udders don’t like Doo-doo caster!

I’m having some hilarious visuals right now!

Emma, I have a friend who gets Gospel Greg’s “Get bug-eyed and Scream At the Supervisors Alerts.” I’ve never posted any of them, although several have been forwarded to me.

Did GL really come out and talk about Obama’s race? Or are you kidding, WHWN?

What does Obama have to do with any of this directly?

Who gives a Shit about he/said she said….PEOPLE better WAKE up and find a dancing partner as our government ( federal) is in DAMAGE CONTROL…….I am going out with giggles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdvITn5cAVc

A question: has there been any thread or discussion on the BVBL website regarding Chief Deane’s report last week about how only 1.6% of arrestees over the past six months were “illegal immigrants”? I looked but found no discussion, anywhere.

Considering how the “Rule of Law Resolution” was Greg Letiecq’s political orgasm, it’s surprising . . . no, shocking, actually . . . that not a single post on BVBL has been dedicated to the report.

Or perhaps not that shocking.

Robb, there is no intersection between that blog and reality. No use trying to find one. Greg is the master and controller of the bubble universe over there. It used to include a hundred people or more. Now it’s down to a wee-tiny level, thank goodness. Greg is doing his best to beat the drum for more supporters. He’s always had a way of attracting low information voters. But even they are getting sick and tired of his hate mongering.

I think this was one of those WHWN parodies, K-G, but not without a grain of truth. DId you see the Republican convention?!?! They didn’t even bother to hire people of color this year. It’s a culture war plain and simple. They’re not pretending. Obama being mixed ancestry had a lot to do with that strategy hanging around another 4 years past it’s expiration date (supposed to be 2000).

# Red Dawn said on 15 Sep 2008 at 11:07 pm:

Pot meet kettle or visa versa…no, that doesn’t make sense….people in glass house shouldn’t throw stones?…not even sure if that works…..

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=116&sid=1478352

Robb, I don’t believe there was any mention made of the report at citizen’s time. Wouldn’t you think they would want to blow and crow about their plan at work?

Maybe things weren’t working out as they had planned. All GL seemed to want to do is go after county employees who tried to be accommodating to members of the media.

GL is probably trying to figure out how to put a positive spin for the Order of the Red Circle on the results of the report. That just might take some time.

Yes, it’s a bunch of noise to distract everyone from the truth about the Resolution. Greg, I mean Corey, agreed to allow these studies and report-backs and now he needs Corey, I mean Greg, to run interference. It’s pure spectacle.

Does everyone remember my three points?

–1.6 percent of crime is committed by undocumented immigrants

–Citizen Satisfaction Survey shows lowest ever marks for trust in county government and in the police force (not their fault though)

–ICE is non-functioning, and the hard work of our officers and the hard earned tax dollars of our citizens are being wasted to send people to ICE land and back, some of them even end up in jail all over again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vJuMfjiw5Y

Sorry, that video was a bit profane but funny if you picture Corey ( I as I did) singing this song about smacking his ass…sorry, Corey…you know you liked it…lol, I ASSume

Hilarious. “Gospel” Greg has obviously read every word of your statement above, Elena, and wants to do all he can to prove you right. At least McCarthy held an elected office. This crackpot is nothing more than an extremist partisan consumer of hate politics turned producer of hate politics.

I just wrote about a story on CNN and tried to post twice, but it didn’t appear. Gee, maybe I’m being blocked? We’ll see if this makes it.

Just tried again, and it wouldn’t post because I included a link to the CNN article entitled ‘Poverty, gangs plague some L.A. students’. Go to CNN.com under Latest News. Had things not changed, this could have been written about a school here.

Ok, here is a link copied from Red Dawn’s post. It posted for her. I wonder if it will post for me. Here goes! This is just a test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vJuMfjiw5Y

Hmmm, interesting. So we can only post Youtube links? Strange!

“Eric is a plant for the Obama team.”

LMAO!!!!!! Yeah, and GL is a plant for what?

SA, I’ve not been able to post links here either. I don’t know why.

Red, thanks for a morning giggle!

Mackie,

Massive Depression on the horizon.
Unknowable civil unrest.
The End of Prince William County.

Too much television, that’s your problem!

SecondAlamo,
For some reason the spam blocker catches certain comments and determines they are spam. I’m not sure if it has to do with whether or not you have a short post associated with the link. I just have not had time to research this but if I turn the spam blocker off then I’m inundated with thousands of comments about pharmaceutical sales.

Aw, I’m disappointed it wasn’t a conspiracy to block CNN.

SA, let’s hear a thank you Moon-howler, be your BFF. Just kidding. I went in and found your comments and rescued them from the big spam pile. It is unintentional and no one knows why it happens.

Emma & Moon-howler,
Can anybody say “paper trail”?

Sure, Chris, I’m sure you have plenty. But wouldn’t that be considered a “witch hunt”?

Oh, the ironies.

Emma,
I didn’t say anything about me. It was just a statement. My point is not everyone lives and tracks things in the cyberworld only. I hope you aren’t making assumptions of me. That really would be the “Emma” I’m used to see post here.Remember, you’ve said you don’t know me.

Geez, Chris, no need to be paranoid. No, I do not know you, only saw your pic in the paper extolling the virtues of the Resolution not too long ago. Why so defensive?

Elena, I see that 1.6% has become the newest sound bite in the anti playbook. You do realize how easy it would be for some of those folks to jump right back over the border, don’t you? Except that the majority of the residents don’t see a small amount of recidivism as worth chucking the entire effort. Many of them don’t live in HOA-protected neighborhoods that don’t allow flophouses, large, handmade,racist billboards and large numbers of rundown vehicles crowding driveways and streets. I’m sure you know quite well the type of neighborhood I’m referring to, Elena. Many of them don’t wan’t to foot the bill for free healthcare for anyone who walks into this country uninvited, especially when our own veterans, elderly and poor often can’t get the basic healthcare they need. But, hey, the cheap labor needs to come from somewhere, doesn’t it, Mr. Hossein?

I’m not defensive. I was just pointing our your error or assumption. It sounded paranoid to me. “I’m sure you have plenty”. Again, I said nothing of myself. You decided to stick that in there.
I really thought you were better than that.

Chris, 16. September 2008, 10:56
Emma & Moon-howler,
Can anybody say “paper trail”?

Sorry, I misunderstood your intent. Maybe you were referring to the Pentagon Papers or something. You throw something like that out and then back off from it, and say people are making “assumptions,” when actually we have no idea what the hell you are talking about, and frankly don’t care. I have no worries or paranoias. Do you?

No, worries, paranoia or phobias here, Emma.
I explained my point was people still use paper and don’t live completely in a cyberworld. And, nothing more. Sorry, I didn’t see anyone ask what the hell I was talking about. It really is of no relevance to me either.
Your apology of my intend in accepted. I didn’t think such a little comment would result in this many exchanges.
Enjoy your evening!

There certainly has been a lot of bandwidth taken up over something you don’t care about. No witch HUNT if what you have is at your finger tips.

Emma, 1.6% needs to become the soundbite in the Prince William County playbook, if we are going to be cutsie about it. Seriously, do you think that is a good return for our investment? I sure don’t.

I am trying to figure out why you ALWAYS come here and try to take issue with something or someONE. Can you just give your opinion without being offensive?

My ignore finger is starting to itch.

” Except that the majority of the residents don’t see a small amount of recidivism as worth chucking the entire effort.”

Is that the royal majority? What majority are you talking about? How do you know that it’s a “small amount” of recidivism? You have no idea how many people have been deported and returned or just been turned loose to begin with. And you don’t know how many of those have committed further crimes but haven’t been caught. The statistics aren’t there. The PWC police and Board as well as ICE doesn’t know, but you do?

How many people stood up at Citizen’s Time today to complain about the 1.6%, besides Elena?

Seriously, not a trick question.

How does anyone complain about the 1.6%? Emma, you can do better than that in your attempt to have the last word. I might ask you why you weren’t there cheering for it. Now wouldn’t I sound rather foolish?

I think as we prioritize as a county, we fall back on data to make future decisions. You will continue to hear and see the number as citizens interested in how county resources are spent and in county policy step forward.

Talking about crime statistics was a suggestion the anonymous posters were giving to the brave souls who spoke under their real names. The idea was to speak the Supervisors’ language. Their job is to use tax payer money wisely, and give us the most return for our hard work and for our trust in them. They remember quite well that they were told over and over again, “These people commit lots of crime, lots and lots of crime, we don’t know how much because there are no statistics but believe me lots!”

If that lie had been true, one could make the argument that the 11.6 million dollars they are spending is worth it. It makes us safer. But the hard truth is, and the Supervisors (except for Greg’s Errand Boys) know it. Actually, I think one of the Letiecq Errand Boys knows it too but he is trapped into lying about it).

But it was Duecaster who overshadowed and rightly he should have. Supervisors already knew the statistics, now that they are finally in, proved that they jumped into a pool with no water in it off the high dive because the Anti-immigrant Lobby had everyone in hysteria over false accusations.