Stirrup Appointment Could Mean Another Year of Extremist Duecaster Shaping County Policy
John Stirrup has nominated Robert Duecaster, one of the authors of the Immigration Resolution, as an appointee to the Strategic Task Force for PWC. He will sit on the Health and Human Services Committee if approved. Let me quote from Mr. Duecaster as best I can:
“This issue is not really about immigration or illegality or legality, it’s not about economics, I’m going to tell you right now what it’s about. It’s about an invasion of this country. This county is being invaded no less than if hordes of armed people were coming across its border. This invasion is not armed, but they’ve got weapons. The weapons they use are their anchor babies.”
“Mark these words, we are going to repel this invasion, one way or another. You can part of that repulsion or be on the other side.”
Mr. Duecaster is the secretary for Help Save Manassas, which is recognized by The Southern Poverty Law Center as a “Nativist” group. In addition to this label, the Anti-Defamation League has now added Save the Old Dominion AND Help Save Manassas to their list of “Extremist” anti immigrant organizations. You will see that Mr. Duecaster uses many of the code words that ADL lists as tools to move extremist rhetoric into the mainstream. I find this nomination unaccpetable! What is John Stirrup thinking?
A closer look at the public record reveals that some of these supposedly mainstream organizations have disturbing links to, or relationships with, extremists in the anti-immigration movement. Often identified in the media or their mission statements as “anti-illegal immigration advocacy groups,” they attempt to distort the debate over immigration by fomenting fear and spreading unfounded propaganda through the use of several key tactics:
Describing immigrants as “third world invaders,” who come to America to destroy our heritage, “colonize” the country and attack our “way of life.” This charge is used against Latinos, Asians and other people of color.Using terminology that describes immigrants as part of “hordes” that “swarm” over the border. This dehumanizing language has become common.
Portraying immigrants as carriers of diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis, Chagas disease (a potentially fatal parasitic disease), dengue fever, polio, malaria.
Depicting immigrants as criminals, murderers, rapists, terrorists, and a danger to children and families.
Propagating conspiracy theories about an alleged secret “reconquista” plot by Mexican immigrants to create a “greater Mexico” by seizing seven states in the American Southwest that once belonged to Mexico.
Blaming immigrants for eroding American culture, institutions and quality of life and impacting our environment and natural resources.
This anti-immigrant propaganda and rhetoric, once the domain of hate groups, is now part of the lexicon used by anti-immigration advocacy organizations, politicians and media figures considered mainstream.
In this report, part of a series of reports on immigration and extremism, ADL exposes those individuals and groups who are playing a key a role in mainstreaming extremist rhetoric in the immigration debate in various aspects of American life.
Make no mistake. We are going to “repel” HIS invasion.
Duecaster is what the cartoons would portray as an evil old man.
It’s time to shut the television off.
Gee, the last time Mr. Duecaster penned a law for the BOCS, it turned out be an 11 MILLION DOLLAR FIASCO, but rather than admit the mistake and collaborate with his fellow Supervisors for a change, “Weasel John” Stirrup is signaling ZERO remorse, and in fact gleeful defiance in light of the fact that his indulgence in mob democracy has cost this county millions of dollars, severely damaged our reputation, and crippled our economy.
Clearly this is Weasel John’s way of answering for the Citizens Satisfaction Survey, which, thanks to his handiwork, proves that OUR OWN CITIZENS have lost trust in our Board of Supervisors and our government as much as the surrounding region and the nation.
And clearly this is Weasel John’s way of plugging his ears and squeezing his eyes shut in light of the Immigration status report (of the same day as his appointment announcement) showing that only 1.6 percent of the crime committed in this county over six months has been by undocumented persons, and that an unknown but significant percentage of the ones picked up by ICE end up coming right back here within a few months.
Memo for Weasel John Stirrup, the indicators that the Duecaster Immigration Resolution was a childishly misguided policy are going to continue. If, each time you face another undeniable blow to the advisability of the Immigration Resolution (something you WERE warned about by Chief Deane), you reinforce public doubt about your own competence with an equally poor decision, you gain nothing more than a little five year old on the corner with his eyes shut and his ears plugged screaming, “wah, wah, wah, wah, wah.”
It proves you don’t care about outcome. It proves you don’t know how to change course when you are proven wrong. It proves that, like Corey Stewart, you are unable to switch off the electioneering hat and begin to govern. And it proves you are not FIT to govern in a representative democracy.
Wait a second, this is Advocator from bvbl.net! He has said some of the most disturbing comments ever attributable to any Help Save Manassas member. Do the Supervisors know that he posts under that screen name?
This appointment just displays gross negligence on behalf of John “Stupid” Stirrup. How can he not know that his appointee has said and I quote:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/22408
Submitted by Robert L. Duecaster (United States), May 25, 2005 at 11:16
The existence of a vaccine conspiracy theory points out one strategy of Islamists that explains why they are so sensitive an alleged effort to sterilize their progeny. They have always emphasized overpopulation and irresponsible procreation as a weapon in the Culture War…
TWINAD said: “Sterilize their progeny”? This is a slam at Islamic people.
Note the “exotic germs” comment in his post below:
Advocator said on 6 May 2008 at 3:46 pm:
In reply to OHNO! [3:17 post]:
Reasons for accounting:
So we can bill the feds for educating them.
So we can plan ESOL and remedial classes and teachers.
So we can guestimate the no of immunizations we need to protect other kids who may not have immunity to the exotic germs brought in from other climes.
Twinad said: Here’s more where Advocator recommends using slave labor to build the fence:
GovernmentExecutive.com
Advanced Search Feds to bypass laws to build border fenceBy Eileen Sullivan, Associated Press April 1, 2008 47776
We should gather the illegal aliens out of the jails in the country and have them build the fence prior to deporting them.
Advocator Posted April 2, 2008 3:54 PM
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Twinad said: And another of my favorites…
The best we could do for the citizens of Mexico and for our own country would be to distribute hundreds of thousands of M-16 and AK-47 assault rifles to the campesinos so they could get rid of their corrupt leaders themselves. We should issue an assault rifle to every illegal alien we deport back to those cesspools of corruption.
Posted by: Advocator on November 21, 2007 11:04 AM
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November 20, 2007
This is from the Dan Stein Report Website
Twinad said: So this is the type of person John “Stupid” Stirrup believes will best represent him and his views on a Strategic Task Force? That is truly frightening.
Stupid Stirrup: If you are out there, I do live in your district, so I am one of your constituents too, and I cannot believe this mentally unstable man is the best representative you could find for the task force. It is truly dismaying to anyone who has standards of decency.
Yep, “Advocator” is welcome to write public policy as far as “Weasel John” Stirrup is concerned. “Advocator,” who called for a mob riot with pitchforks and shovels after the Immigration Resolution was castrated on April 29th, (probably because he felt castrated seeing his precious law rolled back to the same standards the Commonwealth of Virginia now has) is back with a vengeance, ready to damage our reputation, our economy, and our public safety in 2008/2009 even more than he did in 2007.
The man posts racist rants in the internet with regularity, and does little to scale back his hatred when he writes a letter to the editor. He is one of the most recognizable disgraces to this county, but not because he is a hateful and resentful coward.
He is a disgrace to this county because Weasel John Stirrup and Corey Stewart have provided him with an official platform, inside our government, to infect county policy with the hate he spews standing at that podium at Citizens Time, and pours in to every known piece of writing we have seen from him.
You can’t blame Weasel John for having bigots in his district. You can blame him for letting them rot his brain, and rot the reputation of this county, by inviting them into his (shrinking) circle of advisers and advocates.
Well, Wally Covington sure knows because I sent him the whole thing with explanations…..quotes and all.
I can blame Stirrup because HE is a bigot which is why HE supports them.
I can blame Stewart for the same thing.
Birds of a feather……
Stirrup has no sense of decency. Remember, he left his previous county so he could flee the invasion.
Kgott, about Stirrup saying he left Arlington to get away from immigrants. Some people just prefer to live among their own kind. It’s also possible that Weasel John, as a life-long Republican operative and lobbyist, needed to run in an area where there is less awareness of the activities of lobbyists, and more Republicans. But on the other hand, when he testified (poorly) before the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, Weasel John’s own words sounded a lot like Mr. Duecaster’s. He just didn’t scream them.
The problem is that when men like this are given the stamp of official government, Stirrup being in elected office, and Duecaster being a policy guru for the county, it sends a message to the public that our county is a place where such sentiments are nurtured and in fact institutionalized.
I’m beginning to think the bad reputation is permanent.
WHWN, good luck to Stirrup if he wants to live “among his own kind.” This is the DC Metro area. Sorry. No clone colonies. He’ll have to establish a commune. I hear Waco has some cheap land available.
Some people happen to think PEOPLE and living things are “their own kind” but I guess that’s not a common belief around here.
As for the reputation being permanent…it doesn’t have to be. This county wasn’t like this before so why should have it have to stay the way it is now?
Come to think of it, if we “repel the invasion” of the Red Dots and the resolution and discrimination, we could come out of this as national heroes.
Smart politicians will play it that way. Of course, there seems to be a moratorium on smart politicians now days.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I had seen this Duecaster performance once before, but I had no idea he wrote the Immigration law in PWC. That is really atrocious. Does the average person know this, or am I just out of it?
Anyway, the Anti Defamation League’s analysis of hate tactics and rhetorics helps to illuminate what he meant by “invasion!!!!!” And, you’re putting it down in writing really seals the coffin:
One tends to gloss over the real message in these words due to the jaw-dropping hatred with which they were delivered.
You see, I am one of what I think is a majority of people in America who DO think the issue is about economics. And, I REALLY DO think the issue boils down to “illegality or legality.” But if you’re taking your stand without those two lines of argument, well, what we have here is naked bigotry. And this is what Robert Duecaster is admitting here.
So, while the fact that he authored the Immigration law for us might be alarming to me, what’s really alarming is the naked bigotry in his speech at Citizens’ Time.
When it’s all said and done, I don’t think the majority of people supported the law for naked bigotry. So, I would argue that Robert Duecaster is a bad appointment for the Human Services task force because he does not represent me, or anyone who supported Chairman Stewart’s crack down (as well as being a poor representative for those who opposed it).
Kgott, I apologize. It isn’t permanent. And, in fact, it’s probably a fact that Weasel John appointed Duecaster precisely for that purpose, to discourage people and make them say “oh well, the stain is permanent.”
Sorry. I didn’t mean it quite that way. Don’t let the weasels win, people! Don’t give up, don’t hand over your county. This is a sign that if we leave him unchecked, Gospel Greg, Corey Stewart, and Weasel John can indeed make things worse than they are, much worse. Sorry again.
Does anyone know where I can find what the responsibilities of the Health and Human Services Committee? I am assuming it looks at things like Public Social Services, Mental Health and Mental Retardation Services, Aged, Blind, Disabled, Hospital Services, etc.
This is a very disturbing appointment. The most vunerable in our community use many of these Human Service programs, generally elderly, children, etc. The only saving grace is many of the HS programs have Federal Policy and State Policy requirements. I guess he could have some input to any locally funded programs.
People who live in the City of Manassas and Manassas Park this will have an impact on your residents as well, since Health Dept, Mental Health/Mental Retardation, Office on Aging, Hospital, etc are services that are shared. Public Social Services is not a shared program.
This would be the same Robert Duecaster that is so pro-America, “America first!” that he drives a German-made Mercedes (with the ADVCTR personalized tags and anti-immigration bumper stickers)?
When the Diamajin awakens, you will have no one to blame but yourselves.
This is more of a symbolic appointment than anything, Marie. It just means that Weasel John refuses to admit he was wrong to introduce Duecaster’s Immigration Resolution to the BOCS in the secret ambush fashion that he did in secret collusion with Gospel Greg and Liar Corey. I’m pretty confident that Duecaster’s lunatic ideas will be voted down by the other 11 members of the committee, or maybe 10 since Liar Corey also gets to make an appointment.
Marie,
Here’s some of what I found from the last agenda regarding the Task Force. I did have even more detail information. I will try to find for you.
http://www.pwcgov.org/documents/bocs/agendas/2008/0909/6-E.pdf
Turn PWBlue,
You are right once again, sir.
It’s really nice to see you. I was just asking about you the other day. I’d seen you over on bvbl.
WHWN,
Let’s not forget Corey appointed two former republican candidates. Operative word, candidate, not elected officials. I doubt all the other Supervisors only appointed citizens of their same party. In order for any task force to be successful in this county it must be comprised of citizens from all walks of life, gender, race, nationality, and political party. I hate to break the news to all the republicans in the county, but there are many like myself that don’t march to one parties platform only.
Corey also appointed Gary Friedman to the PC, a former candidate yes but a former Republican candidate NOT. That having been said, the Duecaster appointment may be the last straw. I can forgive a lot of the wish washy behavior on land use from John, unlike Wally and Marty’s outright shilling for the developers, but the Duecaster appointment portends a PR nightmare and gumming up of the works with no apparent benefit. My guess is he is ready for an attempted move up from the Gainesville seat or enjoys self-immolation, in any event, if he runs for re-election, it appears Mom will have to take the gloves and primary him.
Mom you are so right! The primary is where we need to defeat Stirrup. No Democrat can in in that district. But if we can win the soul of the PWC GOP away from the right wing extremists and borderline racists (the only two constituencies Weasel John is interested in representing), we can win the Gainesville seat back for the ordinary good citizens of Prince William County, and send Weasel John packing for some other part of the country were racism and extremism still dominate the Republican party.
In Prince William County, that time has passed. That, I believe, is why Weasel John and his cronies at Help Save Manassas are fighting so hard. To borrow a phrase from the Duecaster Disaster, they are “the last gasp of a defeated minority.”
Well, not defeated yet. But 2011, watch out Weasel John.
Chris, my feeling is that Corey Stewart and John Stirrup are as castrated today the Immigration Resolution was on April 29th, 2008. They no longer have the power to intimidate the more moderate members of the Board, and thus no longer have power to impact county policy. These appointments, unfortunately, strike yet another deep gash in the reputation of our county government, our Board of Supervisors, and the people of Prince William County. Like the lies that Corey Stewart tells at hate group rallies and on the radio, they are stains that we will have to work to overcome in the next three years, before we decisively throw them both out of office.
Hopefully, economic recovery will not have to wait that long. If the Supervisors begin to stand up to the Hate Brothers, that will go a long way.
Careful, careful, you might wake Wilbourn from his slumber and I’ve run out of wooden stakes to drive in him.
Mom,
I’d missed the Gary F appointment. I stand corrected. What aspect of the task force will Gary be on?
Yes well I hope someone new emerges. There is time.
Mom,
You are on a roll again. No more wooden stakes, eh?
Yes, Wilbourn must remain in his slumber. Of course, there are many around that don’t even know about Mr. Ed., because they’ve not been around long enough.
Did everybody see this cartoon? Help Slay Manassas -
http://luxuriouschoices.blogspot.com/
WHWN,
We heard about the Power of Five last election season. Perhaps, the Power of SIX will prevail.
Economic recovery is stil a couple of years off though. The recovery will come about the time of the election in 2011. And of course, they’ll be trying to credit for that.
It always, amazes me the inconsistancies. We’ve heard the day laborers were gone from the Coverstone 7-11, yet, at Tuesday night’s Public Hearing we heard the same ones claiming the day laborers were gone, claiming they are there. Now, I’ve seen with my own two eyes they are still at that 7-11 sitting on crates at the 7-11’s front door. When will people get it, you can’t have both ways. Which one is it? Are they there or aren’t they?
Amommy,
I am in tears! Excellent work by the artist.
I ran out of felled timber to make them out of once Wilbourn was voted out. Now I have to make my stakes out of the recycled campaign signs and fliers that litter the roadsides, and they just aren’t sturdy enough to penetrate the local pols egos. May have to go old school and resort to the baseball bat, wooden not aluminum of course.
“Kgott, I apologize.”
No apology necessary! I know Stirrup appointed Doo-Doo Caster because he wants to spit in everyone’s face.
Ishi, what the hell are you talking about?
Who do we write to? Who do we email? Who do we call to protest the nomination of this sicko? If anyone plans on taking this to the streets, let me know.
El Guapo, you can certainly write the Board and ask them to vote against Weasel John’s appointment at the Board meeting on Tuesday. But do understand that you are asking a lot. It’s long been a custom on the Board not to challenge the nominations of other Supervisors, no matter how deleterious to the county and its reputation, so that your own appointments will not be challenged. It’s basically a way to save themselves a lot of headache, knowing that they really don’t have to take the advice of these committees if they don’t want to.
I know there are democratic purists on this blog, and for you, perhaps this is unacceptable. But it’s just the way the Board works as has worked for a long time. It’s kind of like how they all vote unanimously even when there is great dissension on the Board (even Corey Stewart voted for the suspension of Probable Cause on April 29th for instance, and even Hilda Barg voted to fund the Resolution on Oct. 16th). These customs have the effect of freezing the people out of the process, keeping us at an arm’s length, but it also keeps the peace on the Board and allows them to do the people’s business.
I can hear the purists attacking me as I type this.
I doubt there are enough democratic purists on the Board … those who believe your vote represents your conscience, and that the people’s voice is sacred and should not be polluted by politics.
I predict there will be 2, maybe three votes on the Board, protesting the societal insult and the economic injury that is the Duecaster Disaster appointment by Weasel John Stirrup.
And this is only because the Duecaster has disgraced himself, this county, and the Board one too many times … not because Duecaster wrote the failed Immigration policy that caused the social and economic disaster we are suffering under now.
It usually takes more than racism and failed policy to cause elected officials to put conscience and democratic principles above long-standing traditions of legislative decorum.
So if you are a democratic purist, write that email. If you are a political pragmatist, let them vote to approve the appointment … heck, let them vote unanimously, and the pound the heck of them starting the day after and every day until the end of budget season next year. Every choice they make we can accuse them of following the policy guidance of the guy who threatened and screamed at them “WE ARE GONNA REPEL THIS INVASION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!!!!!”
I some ways, it will be a relief to be able to point the finger at the Board and say: “You see, it’s not the people of Prince William County who deserve this bad reputation, it’s the people who represent us.”
Yes, the bad reputation and the legacy of disastrous policies belongs to The Board of County Supervisors, or at least the ones who vote in the majority on Tuesday just to make it look neat and tidy. The Duecaster appointment allows the people to wash their hands of it.
It’s got nothing to do with democratic purity, rather, it’s all about protecting ones own interests and the image of the BOCS, often at all costs. It comes down to nobody on the BOCS having a set of stones large enough to publicly (but politely) whack another supervisor with one of their gauntlets (I personally prefer to leave my fist in mine when I use them) lest everyone’s knickers get in a twist and threaten their own pet projects. It’s all about perception. John votes note on Wally running water to the RC, then votes in favor of an identical application in his district which Wally then opposes. Absolutely no consistency, especially when it involves projects or issues in their own districts.
Hey WHWN,
Since you are the expert on all things politics, what do predict about McCain and the Anti-Immigrant Movement. Match made in Heaven? Or a fight to the bitter end?
http://americannewsproject.com/node/120
It really doesn’t matter who the BOS appoints. The BOS will ulimately do what they want to do. Different views are opposed all the time.
Mom,
Fireside was just the beginning. When they get there bill from the PWCSA I wonder how much they’ll be liking that running water.
Consistency, haha, that’s one thing this BOS won’t be accused of anytime soon in my opinion.
A primary for John Stirrup sounds like a good idea. There should be an appropriate punishment for one who has managed to squander so many of our tax dollars. Recommending the repulsive Robert Duecaster to be a representative on any board/committee/tea party is giving the middle finger to the tax payers of this county.
Thanks Chris
And if he wins the primary, we need to recruit a conservative independent to run against him in the general. I agree, a Democrat can’t win out in Gainesville. We can throw are support behind an independent and convince the Dem’s not to run. Down with the Weasel!
Mom, so are you proposing we stand against Weasel and the Disaster, and pressure the sane Supervisors to vote against Duecaster on the committee? I’d be game.
Chris,
Do not spend time looking for more info. From reading the agenda I had my question answered. I am familiar with all those strategic plan goals for Health and Human Services.
Marie,
You are welcome. I thought that would help.
Ladies and Gents:
1. We tell them loud and clear DOO-DOO needs to be flushed.
2. We tell them loud and clear that appointees must meet certain criteria (as in…”Do you or have you ever belonged to a radical, racist, and/or hate group?”), pass background checks and sign ethical statements. Furthermore, I don’t think party members should qualify for committees. The purpose of a citizens’ committee is to fix problems, not push partisan agendas.
This small town “let’s appoint our buddies” crap doesn’t cut it.
Extremely, extremely sad, disturbing, and disgusting.
Mr. Duecaster’s paranoid radicalism should alarm all residents of Prince William County.
I will write an email to the sane Supervisors to let them know they should not be intimidated by Gospel Greg any more. He sent out a huge email blast to thousands of people supposedly, saying that Duecaster’s Immigartion Resolution (or what’s left of it) would be nixed after the Supervisors saw Chief Deane’s report UNLESS they came to Citizens’ Time to defend their territory (our government). Well, four people came out. Two in the day time and two at night. And one of them was the Duecaster Diasaster and one of them was Gospel Greg himself.
Some army!
Supervisors, you can stand up to this puffed up exaggerated angry mob of four.
Just say no to the Duecaster Disaster!!!!
I’ll write an email to my Supervisor. I happen to know she doesn’t like Duecaster very much, and, she’s not afraid to stand up to bullies.
Who here is going to write the letters to the editor?? How about some new names in the MJM/PN?
Is anyone going to speak in opposition to this appointment at the next citizen’s time?
I think that would be a great way to help defeat this. I would definitely speak about this at the next citizen’s time if I wasn’t going to be on vacation out of the country next week.
This appointment is absolutely insane.
Whether or not Robert Duecaster is confirmed, at least in my mind, should not be the main focus. Ensuring the public record demonstrates there was opposition, AND why, is the most relevant reason to speak to the appointment of Robert Duecaster.
Look at it this way – can you think of anyone who has a greater need than Ducaster to be locked in a room full of therapists and social workers?
NGL, I don’t know. I’ve been thinking about it this afternoon and I don’t believe that the other supervisors would ordinarily vote against the apointment, mostly for shortsighted, selfish reasons. The dynamic in this particular instance is a little different however. Such a course of action might have some appeal for a variety of different reasons, revenge for the manner in which the resolution was ramrodded, positioning for anyone coveting the chairmanship, personal differences with John, embarassment over the nomination, etc., etc., etc. Citizens Time speeches, e-mails and the such may actually work if delivered in sufficient volume and if supported by his statements both written and video. Here’s where it gets tricky though, you have to engender and demonstrate disgust with the nomination across the political spectrum both in terms of affiliation and experience. For example, and I probably take my life in my hands here, if you could somehow get NOVA Scout and Jim Young to agree that the nomination is not in the best interests of the county or the local GOP, you might actually get some traction.
Now JY, I can see you getting beet red and firing off a response but stop and think about it, does this nomination really advance the party at a local level and given his propensity for untoward remarks do you believe that what is likely to be the constant presence of Mr. Duecaster in the press as a result of his participation on the committee will aid or hinder the party either in the short term or in next years GA elections.
I can think of very few BOCS appointments that should be as opposed as Robert Duecaster’s. Setting aside all the volatile accusations of his both during Citizens Time at the BOCS meetings and as Advocator on BVBL, he started in motion a resolution that set the residents of this county up as financial, social, legal guinea pigs for an organization/lobbying firm that was all too willing to use us as such. We are now paying Robert Duecaster’s (and HSM’s,Stirrup’s,Stewart’s,Letiecq’s,FAIR’s) bill and it has cost the county residents dearly in the waste of our tax dollars, the animosity created among residents, the diminishment of our reputation, and the fear planted in some of our residents. This has been an extraordinary year – and not in a positive way – and the bigot behind our present predicament absolutely should NOT be rewarded with any appointment. If anything, he should join the Community Service crew (?) that picks up roadside trash – let him make a small dent in the garbage he’s heaped on this community.
John Stirrup shows himself to be an unrepentant co-conspirator in this disaster as well. I find it hard to believe that there are no worthier residents of the Gainesville district for this appointment.
“Look at it this way – can you think of anyone who has a greater need than Ducaster to be locked in a room full of therapists and social workers?”
LMAO!!!!!!!
He’d never make it out alive…….
Mom, I do think if we got up and read Duecaster’s quotes at citizen time, it would digust most rational people or at least embarass them that this is who Stirrup chose.
Mom, would Duecaster really be in the press a lot as a result of being on this committee? That would be a public relations disaster! (Funny how that word keeps coming up when we discuss this man.) Honestly, I’ve never heard of who these committee members were in prior years. Has it really shaken down that way in the past?
And, sorry to ask but who is Jim Young NOVA Scout and how do we reach out to them?
I suspect that he would use the committee meetings as a forum and that an otherwise uninterested press will show up just for the circus factor. As to JY and NOVA Scout, I merely use them as an example of opposite ends of the spectrum, albeit opposite ends of the GOP spectrum, that needs to be encompassed. In this instance, its not enough to demonstrate disgust from its usual source in the middle or on the left, you have to demonstrate a disdain for the appointment from elements of the right and particular those conservative elements embodied by JY. I’m generally from the same region of the political spectrum as he but he has certain local bona fides that I do not.
Jack Ledden (Social Services) and Tom Geib (CSB) are some mighty smart guys. They could make Duecaster squirm without breaking a sweat.
But as Elena says this horrid appointment should be highlighted.
Oh wow he spoke some politically incorrect truths. Better attack him, quick, before people find out they have the option to speak what they see and feel.
Thanks for the info, “Mom.” I agree with you it has to come from all sides. Do you feel strongly enough to write them an email?
Rick Bentley, what would it take for you to oppose bigotry as a foundation for county policy? Is there anything we could say to convince you?
Excellent points mom!
It’s not about bigotry, with me. I think though we are being invaded. The invasion is aimed at degrading wages in America and focusing wealth into the hands of land and business owners and away from the rest of us.
I guess that’s not the same position Duecaster has but he and I do want the same thing. A voice for the American people in what our laws are and whether they are enforced.
You make a good arguement Elena but I think the 14th Amendment and the bizarre interpretation of it that our government is using does lead to and is leading to chaos. I think that’s the real issue here.
Rick, you say it is not about bigotry for you.
But let me just accept at face value that you think it’s about economics.
Mr. Duecaster said it was NOT about economics. He said it’s about an invasion. It’s about “internationalization” which he says with more hate than I have ever witnessed in person.
Isn’t that sad that the most hate I have ever witnessed in person is at the place where we are supposed to feel welcome to participate in government?
What does that say if hate is such a welcome emotion that a man this hateful is invited to write our laws and are strategic plans?
But back to Rick’s notion that he agrees with Duecaster.
I don’t understand anyone making an economic argument AGAINST immigration, or against the legalization of immigration at a level that is sufficient enough to meet our labor needs. But let’s say there is an economic argument AGAINST immigration. Duecaster says that’s not his concern. So there he doesn’t represent you.
And you say you it is not about bigotry for you. If that is true, how do you feel when a man who represents himself in public as a bigot is chosen to represent you in government? Is that a fair representation of your views?
Or, do the ends justify the means?
Rick likes to jerk chains.
It says what it says. Seems pretty clear to me. One of the first tests was back in 1898, United States vs. Wong Kim Ark. This was not a recent decision.
Mom, you make some excellents points. I have not seen NOVA scout post here, I am very sorry to say. He presents a balanced point of view and is an exceptionally talented writer. If you know how to get him here, please go for it. Does NOVA scout live in the county or in Fairfax?
Hey, perhaps Duecaster isn’t as dangerous or as deranged as he seems! He takes Gospel Greg down a notch in his Citizens’ Time speech from Tuesday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wChlNMk0oZY
That was all for show. Greg is dangerous because he is a cult leader and a bully. He operates on spin and grain of truths. He is excellent at what he does, I will hand him that much.
I guess that John Stirrup is now a part of that “repulsion’ of which Robert Duecaster spoke. Repulsion is exactly what I feel in knowing that someone on the BOCS would appoint this man.
If you take all of his internet posts and put them aside, you are still left with the film footage of his speeches. Duecaster hatefully refers to “anchor babies,” indicates that he advocates a “one way or another” (a.k.a. by any means necessary) stance on getting illegal immigrants out of Prince William, says that he thinks fear in the community is “overdue,” states that he thinks PWC will be degraded to “a third-world slum” unless his resolution is funded, and lies when he says that the only people in this county against the resolution are the ones profiting from illegal immigration.
You can’t tell me for one minute that John Stirrup is unaware of this footage. In any case, he was IN THE ROOM when all of these things were said. Thus, his appointment of Robert Duecaster indicates to me that Stirrup finds Duecaster’s language and palpable display of hatred completely acceptable. Stirrup is effectively telling PWC that its decisions should be made based on hate. He has forged a relationship with yet another vitriolic fear monger, and has now given said person a position of public power.
This is a new low…
DG,
You anaylsis, point by point, is outstanding. We don’t need his written word, his televised speeches are enough. Duecaster finds it incomprehensible that average citizens, with no personal gain, would find people like him AND his tactics, reprehensible. John Stirrup has insulted not only the citizens of this county, but he demoralized himself. History will demonstrate that John and Corey were part of a bigoted movement and I truly will feel sorry for them when they see how history portrays them through their deeds and their words. Certainly there is a discussion to be had regarding immigration, fair wages, and stress on specific localities, but their approach was pandering to a segment that only cares about hate and fear mongering.
I am sure there have been others in history who thought everyone was with them and that their ideas were right on the mark. We are still reading about them in history books and time has not been kind nor are their actions looked upon with favor.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that in today’s world calling children ‘vermin,’ groups of people ‘invaders,’ or stating ‘…emergency room anchor babies are sucking the lifeblood out of our County (sic)…,” is not not polite talk. This is hate speech.
Do we need someone giving input into human services when that someone speaks of HUMANS as sucking the life-blood out of our county?
Is this the solution Mr. D will propose or is he just posturing when he says “Buy guns and ammo during the hiatus Mando. They scare the $hit out of liberal politicians, fat broads, and illegal invaders.”
Any one of our supervisors who might vote yes for approval this appointment should be targeted in the next election cycle for removal. Mr. Duecaster and his long paper and film trail is unfit for any public position in our county, IMHO.
Mr. Stirrup needs to recind his own appointment and appoint a citizen of the Gainesville District who is more mainstream. Mr. Stirrup has given his district the finger– Flipped us the bird.
“how do you feel when a man who represents himself in public as a bigot is chosen to represent you in government?”
That arguably happens all the time. But if the statements are pro-Latino or pro-black, I’m expected to sit, enjoy it, and say thank you at the end.
Why does the statement have to be pro-latino or pro-black? Why do statements need to be pro or con anything? I would prefer to deal with the behavior and leave race or culture out if possible.
Many of us have private opinions that might not agree with our friends, neighbors, and fellow-Prince Williamites. However, smart people don’t leave a paper trail, much less a film trail.
Rick, what does your wife think of what you just said? (raising an inquisitive eyebrow)
Rick,
Can you give me some specific examples of what you mean. Are you suggesting that those who are systematically disrcriminated against, and speak out for equal rights, are somehow ANTI of another group?
Duecaster’s comments may be injudicious, but I do believe our whole way of life is indeed under attack. So I support his nomination to any committee, until and unless he does something in that position that I can’t agree with.
Remember, if I had the income and the family situation to bail out of here, I would have done so 2 years ago. I don’t want to live in the (Spanish) ghetto that was developing around me. Does it make me a bigot that I resent the lawless behavior all around me that made my neighborhoods unfriendly, unsafe, and loud? Some would say yes.
Due to people like Stirrup and Duecaster, I’m comfortable here again. No one got shot. No one got beat up by police or thugs. No bombs were planted. No public campaign against Latinos or anyone else was ever undertaken. All that happened were that some people got deported and some people got told they can’t pack several families into single-family townhouses illegally.
Bigotry is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t think we have established bigotry here in PWC. I don’t think the rule of law is bigoted.
If Stirrup wants to put someone on a committee, I support his decision. He’s fighting for me.
Honestly, ask yourself, what would the 7-11 on route 1 look like now if we all had embraced the illegals instead of working to reduce their numbers? My guess is it would either be standing room only in the parking lot among other nearby businesses, or a vacant building that serves no one. A drive down the Woodbridge section of route 1 is hardly a model of what I want my community to emulate! Wake up and admit that things were spiraling out of control regardless of the country from which these folks came. We don’t need thousands of unskilled low wage workers in one small section of any county, otherwise it will indeed start to become a place similar to the ghettos from whence they came. This is just a fact of life. People usually live the way they are used to living regardless of the location.
Okay, so now I just finished watching the video of this past Tuesday’s public meeting (thank you ShellyB) and my response is this: what in the world is going on down there in Prince William County? It’s astounding.
While I thought it was nice for Corey Stewart to declare September 15 – October 15, 2008 as Hispanic Heritage Month in Prince William County, his comments later are a spit in the face to the county’s Hispanic community.
He pointed out that 4.5% of the interviews for the county Satisfaction Survey were done in Spanish and then had the indecency to ask if any of those interviewees were legal residents.
What in the world does one have to do with the other?
It was a clear display of his latent prejudice against Hispanics, demonstrated by his identification of “Spanish” with “illegal” (and it is well documented how Corey feels about “illegal” immigrants).
It’s disgusting.
What you have in Prince William County, my friends, is a good old fashioned witch hunt.
“Can you give me some specific examples of what you mean. Are you suggesting that those who are systematically disrcriminated against, and speak out for equal rights, are somehow ANTI of another group?”
Governor Kaine on SWaM : “I’m not yet happy where the numbers are for women-owned and minority-owned businesses. The numbers have improved pretty steadily since I came in, but they are still not at the level that I am happy with.” I.e. I need not apply.
“Governor Tim Kaine has appointed a local health district director to a new state health department position. Doctor Michael Royster will serve as director of Minority Health and Public Health Policy at the Virginia Department of Health. Royster, a native of Fairfax, will coordinate the agency’s efforts in addressing health disparities. ” I.e. I’m too healthy and if another group of people are less healthy because they’ve earned less income collectively or engaged in high-risk behaviors to a greater extent per capita or have less money in part because of skyrocketing out-of-wedlock birth rates, we need to diminish my health care to make theirs better.
Kaine’s opposition to 287(g) = selective enforcement of the law based on his groveling for “foreign investment” to prop up his spending plans. I should live next to a houseful of 20 crammed in and making my life worse so as to make some foreign conglomerate feel better?
Kaine’s original position on in-state tuition for illegal immigrants – biased against legal citizens rather obviously. But I guess they’re mostly privileged whites, so it makes sense to Kaine.
“What in the world does one have to do with the other?”
Well, duh, if you don’t speak English (cue the Jeff Foxworthy voice) You just MAGHT be an illegal immigrant.
If you have a townhouse with 2 parking spots but there are 5 vans dropping people off at your house, you MAGHT be an illegal immigrant.
If you can’t read the signs on the highway you just MAGHT be an illegal immigrant.
If your idea of leisure activity is to sit on a stoop and drink Modestos with 5 other guys, you just MAGHT be an illegal immigrant.
If you get into a fender bender, and your reaction is to bail out of the car and run away, you might be Halle Berry, or you just MAGHT be an illegal immigrant.
Ricardo Bentley,
This is Merriam-Webster definition of ethnic cleansing is as follows:
According to the definition there are 3 important aspects:
1.Ethnic Cleansing does not require bloodshed. You said:
2.Ethnic Cleansing is the expulsion of a minority. You said:
3.Ethnic Cleansing requires that the dominant majority their ethnic homogeneity. Does anyone doubt that the new people moving into PWC are not people of color? You said:
It’s unavoidable to conclude that ethnic cleansing is what took place here. How can anyone deny it?
Mackie that is absurd to say.
“in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity ” That was neither aimed for nor acheived. And I know that the demographics on race around here bear that out.
Robb,
All I can say is you had to of been here a year or so ago. It’s easy to show distain for PWC actions as the media never will show the downside of what was happening, as it wouldn’t have been politically correct what with the people in question being a minority. Come to think of it, what group isn’t a minority today except for whites? Naturally when a majority white community complains it must be based on racism by default, so say the detractors.
Rick if the people whose behaviour you didn’t like were not ethnic, and the only people who supported you on repelling this in “invasion one way or another,” were those who couldn’t afford to move away from a handful of neighbourhoods with loud non-ethnic music and crowded houses, the parade of irate Citizens Time screamers would not have materialised.
I doubt it would have interested men like Letiecq or Duecaster.
If you had been feeling helpless in this non-Duecaster violent outburst on Ch23, non-Letiecq automated fax and email blast to Supervisors, non-racial social issue, would you have been the one to rally the hatred and bigotry that was necessary to bully the Supervisors into voting against the better angels of their nature and ours?
What if, say, a religious witch hunt would do the trick … a propaganda campaign to convince people who don’t live in such neighbourhoods to scream at Citizens Time anyway, because the non-ethnic bad neighbors were suddenly Catholics, or Jews, or Muslims (in their minds at least)?
Even if you yourself could not possibly hate these religious groupss, and were able to claim anonymously that you were married to each, would it be ethical to spread false accusations that they are all violent criminals and that they don’t pay taxes, and to constantly harp on whatever vaguely accurate stereotypes might develop?
You’d get your non-ethnic bad neighbors to feel unwelcome and flee. The only price would be tremendous damage to our public safety (because certain religious minorities would no longer report crimes), to our economy (because we’d lose property value, sales tax, and worker output when the population falls off suddenly), and our reputation as a county to move to and invest in. You wouldn’t have to spread the non-ethnic bigotry yourself, you could recruit a hate-monger politician like Weasel John Stirrup, but motivated by religious more than racial hatred, to be the public face!
Would it be worth it to you to bring in such a politician and ruin the county while saving your neighborhood?
Of course you’d then find that over time, the houses made vacant by your expulsion would sell at bottom basement prices to slum lords who would then rent them at bottom basement prices and attract a whole new invasion of lower class neighbors for you to deal with, depreciating the value of your home forever and making it impossible to leave times two. But if you lacked the foresight to know this, would you initiate the hate campaign in order to achieve the shortsighted outcome of empty houses instead of crowded ones?
Rick,
None of your Foxworthy cues definitely prove jack.
-Not speaking English? Maybe yes maybe no.
-Bunch of vans? Maybe yes, maybe no.
-Drinking beer on the front porch? maybe yes, maybe no. Try driving down Stasburg from Lomond and take a look on your left, Hiltonian, any given afternoon. I am not sure of the brand but…definitely a bunch of beer swilling guys drinking on the front porch. Some are a lot whiter than I am.
Rick, you have some very valid complaints. I have never denied that. Taking your parking place is beyond inexcusable. Overcrowding is unacceptable. (where is your HOA?) I think you can address these concerns from a behavioral point of view rather than from a legal vs illegal point of view. You do not know who is and who isn’t.
My problem with the illegal vs legal position is simply this: You do not know who is legal and who isn’t. Because you do not know, the illegal shroud tends to cloak everyone who is hispanic(because you don’t know). Once we have done this, then we start sliding down the racist slippery slope.
In our area, this phenomena gets even dicier because our Hispanic community is 75% Salvadoran. Many Salavdorans do not speak English very well (first generation thing) and they ARE legal because of TPS visas.
“in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity ” is an unspoken goal of the axis of evil: Stirrup, Duecaster, and Leteicq (I left out Corey because he’s just a political prostitute).
It will happen by default.
The climate of fear and humiliation will be the tool.
How many families of color will want to move here when they fear their kids will grow up feeling like second class citizens? So which group will move in by default into the dirt cheap homes?
There is another point of view here. Rick, be glad your bad neighbors were Hispanic. Had they been white rednecks, they would have known their rights and told you about them every second of the day. That is what is happening now over on a street near me. Nasty ones!
At least with your Hispanic neighbors, they were here temporarily and if they were out of status, you could probably intimidate them into leaving. You can’t do that with rednecks. Rednecks are forever.
If it sounds like I am prejudice about rednecks who come in and trash up a neighborhood…bingo!
Mackie,
I think I inadvertently answered your question. it was totally unintentional. We crossed in the mail.
Rick, are you a PWC resident? If not, we (the PWC residents) are footing the bill for the Duecaster Disaster. We voted to spend money on parks, schools, libraries – not chasing our Hispanic neighbors. Duecaster and co-horts hijacked the priorities of other county residents. You know – the residents who, as voters, approved bond issues. We did not vote on or approve an immigration resolution. Our board was blindsided by a bunch of out-of-state emails into believing that they were hearing from actual citizens and they frittered away our money accordingly. If you’re not footing the bill for this fiasco, you shouldn’t be lobbying to put Duecaster on any PWC board. It would sound as though you’re trying to live off my dime.
“Rednecks are forever.”
LOL!!! Ain’t that the truth!
Hurricane Ike has demolished Texas.
The people who had citizenship ran for the hills.
But Immigrants fearing deportation, sat still and took the brunt of the blow.
http://xicanopwr.com/2008/09/as-hurricane-ike-looms-closer-immigrants-refuse-to-leave/
For immigrants in Texas, the choice is:
risk drowning vs. deportation
But the Texan Letiecq clones will find safety in a shelter far from the danger. And after the storm has passed, they will return and continue their persecution of the immigrants.
Actually, texas will need the immigrants to help rebuild so maybe they’ll delay the renewal of their persecution until AFTER the immigrants have done all the dangerous work necessary to rebuild what Hurricane Ike demolished.
Is this really any different than they way chinese workers were exploited like animals to build the railroad?
Don’t mess with Texas. Yeeehaaaaw!!!
http://www.tripso.com/today/delivered-by-a-midwife-in-south-texas-could-mean-no-passport/
Screw Texas.
Honestly, the first time I saw this video, all I thought was “what a crazy old coot”. I just figured he was some mentally unstable creton. It wasn’t until at least several weeks, if not month’s later, that I found out THIS was the person selected to draft the Resolution. To say I was shocked would be mild. What a disgrace.
And now, to find out that a member of the Board of Supervisors, in fact, the man that represents the district I LIVE IN, supports this man, his ideas and rhetoric, it’s unbelievable.
Admin,
Can we create a new thread concerning Corey Stewart’s intention to appoint Chris Royse to the Economic Development and Transportation Strategic Goals Task Force?
Chris Royse almost beat Principi last election on a platform based largely on persecution of immigrants. This guy is dangerous.
Honestly, I’ve come to the conclusion that Stirrup’s appointment of Duecaster is meant to distract us from Chris Royse’s appointment. It’s a ruse.
Chris Royse has serious political aspirations. Duecaster does not. Chris Royse is being groomed here by Stewart to beat Principi in the next election. As part of this task force, he will be making friends with some very key players.
He’s a ruthless opportunist. This is the platform he ran on. Persecution of hispanics under the color of the law in Woodbridge. It effectively would have created a police state, but only for hispanics:
http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-87773-0-days0-orderasc-.html
Mackie might be on to something with the distraction. I haven’t decided if Stirrup wanted to just give those the finger who opposed HIS resolution, since he introduced it, or if there is something more draconian.
Stirrup might have breezed through the last election cycle. Corey Riley really didn’t run much of a campaign and he got almost zero help from PWCDP. He will not breeze through this time he weaseled Duecaster into a policy-setting position.
Corey Stewart referred to many of us as blowhards. They will see what blowhards we really are when the campaigning begins. We also might be grooming a candidate that might just give Stirrup a run for his money.
If ever there was a blowhard in this county it’s Chris Royce. He’s like Corey Stewart but a little tubbier and a little dumber, and a EVEN MORE right wing fringe, I mean way out there, in his views.
Chris Royce not only appeals to Freedom Fry Voters. He IS one.
Stewart’s appointment demonstrates that at no point in his exercising of the people’s business does he consider the best interest of the county. It’s all politics, all the time for him.
Dis. Gust. Ting.
This is really awful. Did you see the new video? On the same day as Stirrup makes the nomination, there he is talking about guns and attack dogs to protect himself from who exactly…? If I were Rob Duecaster, I would have opted NOT to speak at Citizens Time that day, and hope the Supervisors wouldn’t recognize his name. What an embarrassment for Stirrup. That’s two this week. I feel ashamed to admit I voted for him.
This man needs some psychological help and soon before he blows up and hurts somebody.
“Rick, are you a PWC resident? If not, we (the PWC residents) are footing the bill for the Duecaster Disaster.”
My story is on record. I lived through the whole influx in PWC and my life suffered. I would be willing to pay much larger amounts of taxes to restore quality of life.
I wonder if the Post and our politically correct media in general showed this story from the average resident’s point of view, how many people from other areas would see it differently. The influx was huge, and illegal, and to top it off as everyone knew would happen most of the houses that were flophouses – about 10 on my block of 25 – are now so bombed out that the owners try to sell them for $100,000 less than the ones next to them sell for.
“How many families of color will want to move here when they fear their kids will grow up feeling like second class citizens?”
Around me, a lot of non-white families are moving in. And why wouldn’t they? The only people with anything to fear are the illegal ones.
WHWN, it’s not about ethnicity. Ethnicity comes into this primarily because those who defend lawlessness and overcrowding violations do so with the rationale that upholding social mores is “biased against Hispanics”. Because of that, the debate shifts to whether Hispanics are disproportionately represented in the illegal alien population and in the population of flophopuse owners and residents.
I want to mention again that I/we were quite friendly to our new neighbors circa 2004/2005 and that any bad will that happened wasn’t because we had any preconceived bias. It was because of the way people acted and the way some (not all) just didn’t give a damn about being good neighbors. As Moon-howler says, bad neighbors come in all ethnicities. However, when your neighbors are illegal, they usually have 2-3 times as many people in that house and about 2-3 times as many bad apples in your neighborhood.
Moon-howler – seriously – if one of these day laborers – or one of the miscellanious bunches of rotating characters who used to hang out at night in my neighborhood – breaks into my house and rapes a child, I should call the HOA? Seriously?
Most illegals are not child molesters but the ones who are aren’t being tracked the way citizens are, and roam with impunity.
Rick, it sounds as if you had a frustrating situation. I think where you fell into a trap was when this county became so warped that it seemed socially acceptable to start to talk about solutions in term of ethnic scapegoating, and forcible removal of an undesirable population. This has happened in many countries and in many eras, and many good people have fallen victim to a diseased social climate swirling around them.
That climate has begun to lift, in fact, it has lifted as evidenced by the almost non-existent membership of Help Save Manassas and the pitiful traffic on Gospel Greg’s blog (where I understand you are considered a bleeding heart liberal).
I complement you for going to battle with the radical extremists over there, but perhaps your time over here will help you see the world without the warped fog of hate and scapegoating that plagued us during the latter half of 2007.
Once you do that, I think you will let go of the culture of hate that justified Prince William County’s horribly ineffective, costly, and economically damaging “immigration” policy.
WHWN: “That climate has begun to lift, in fact, it has lifted as evidenced by the almost non-existent membership of Help Save Manassas and the pitiful traffic on Gospel Greg’s blog”
Hmmm – I didn’t realize that close to 2,300 members would be considered “non-existent”… You are dreaming. As far as Greg’s blog…clearly you haven’t visited in awhile. Posters there just aren’t as redundant as you all.
WHWN,
I am glad you are seeing Rick’s positive side. I know he can be a brat sometimes. So can I. Sigh.
Rick has had a very frustrating time in his neighborhood. Remove immigration and I usually agree with him. I have tried to understand Rick’s situation. I have, in my past, lived in a neighborhood that broke real bad. This breaking bad had nothing to do with immigration unless you want to count immigrating from the city to the county. Bad neighbors are bad neighbors. On the other hand, I have known other ethnicities who do what Rick has described and attributed to ‘illegals.’ I am more inclined to look at behaviors and not ethnicity.
I can easily hate over behaviors. I have done it my entire life.
So your vast experience in (not) living, working or probably even passing through this region makes you an expert on the climate here? You judge an entire county by some snippets of YouTube videos, and what you get spoonfed by a handful of posters here, some of whom live in HOA protected enclaves? Perhaps you should get around neighborhoods here, talk to residents and find out what they really think and feel. Or maybe you just don’t care about any opinion that doesn’t support your ersatz paranoia.
There is no “witch hunt.” But there are people, like Elena and Alanna, who clearly WANT to inflame the entire immigrant community and make them afraid. Then Elena, Alanna and company hope to use that fear against elected leaders who are doing what they were put in office to do, because at some point they felt slighted and ignored. Welcome to their personal vendetta.
Corey Stewart was elected on a very clear platform. It doesn’t matter that there was low voter turnout–I would say that is the problem of those who didn’t bother to show up to vote.
Hispanics are not cowering in fear–they are out shopping, riding bikes, going to movies, eating in restaurants and–gasp–socializing with their non-Hispanic neighbors just like everyone else. Stop parroting lies and check it out for yourself.
All I can say is: 1.6, 1.6. 1.6. That is the percentage of illegal immigrants our County resolution turned up once they started checking EVERYONE’s status after arrest. Can’t slant those figures. Illegal immigrants are not causing a CRIME WAVE as Duecaster and HSM would like everyone to believe. The stats clearly show that 98.4% of all crime committed in PWC was committed by LEGAL residents. And the vast majority of the 1.6% (over 80%) were misdemeanor charges…not felony charges. Once this starts getting around, more people will realize they were duped into believing that “illegal” immigrants were causing a surge in crime in our area. Totally false.
Well, it might be because so many of the illegal residents left, thanks to the resolution. It would be logical to assume that there would be fewer crimes committed by illegal imigrants when there are fewer “illegals” to begin with. Those statistics indicate success, not failure.
Emma, you can’t back up your statements either. How many people who left were legal residents and how many were undocumented? Where are the statistics? As for Robb not having experience living in PWC, many of us living in PWC don’t have the experience of living in the conditions some of you describe. We’re being asked to bail you out of your neighborhood problems at the expense of our priorities (which we DID vote on). IMO, you need to move or work closely with zoning, the police, or neighborhood services to solve your problems and get your hand out of my pocketbook because you’re beginning to sound like those people whom HSM posters yell about- those people they accuse of taking advantage of public services for their own good. The resolution has wasted our tax dollars, but, since you’re not a county resident, you’re not footing the bill.
Well, actually, Censored, I do foot the bill.
Remember that there are two members sitting on the PWC-Manassas Regional Jail Board who represent the City of Manassas. So yes, crime in PWC has a very direct affect on me, as well as the spending on programs to combat crime. And where is the PWC jail, Censored? Why, I believe it is in the City of Manassas, isn’t it?
Do your homework before you start throwing rocks in a feeble attempt to impress Robb.
Please.
Emma, you share some services but you certainly don’t share all.
I don’t need to impress Robb. Or you, for that matter. But many of HSM’s members seem to want to use my tax dollars (money squandered on the immigration resolution) to solve their neighborhood problems without using resources that are already available to them. What have you done personally to improve your neighborhood? I hope you’ve been actively working to solve the problems you complain about.
If all the illegal criminals left, then where is the 10-20% drop in the crime rate? There isn’t one.
And I have a right to voice my concerns over those services that we do share. As the jurisdictions are closely intertwined in regards to the courts and the jail, I do foot the bill for that. Therefore, I have a say in how money is spent in regards to law enforcement. And since I live a 3-minute walking distance from PWC, actions there have a very direct impact on the City in terms of crime, traffic, healthcare and a host of other issues. You don’t live in a bubble.
And don’t forget that I eat, shop, enjoy recreation and sometimes do my consulting work in PWC. I have read here many, many times that that would make me just as much a taxpayer as an undocumented immigrant.
Emma, I hope you weren’t one to complain that we, as county residents, shouldn’t have voiced our opinions on the sign in Manassas.
So, how has the resolution been cost-effective? What has it done that couldn’t have been done through the use of already existing county services – from an economic standpoint? Exactly how much has been spent to find that 1.6% of the jail population?
Can we get back to my original point? Robb Pearson is an outsider who has made a false and inflammatory declaration about a “witchhunt” in PWC that is based on nothing more than lies and conjecture, and not at all on his own experience here as a resident and taxpayer. I would say that my payroll taxes and the tax dollars spent by the City on County courts and jail, as well as my proximity to and spending in the county give me much more of a credible voice than that.
Using your logic, do you foot the bill for zoning enforcement in the City of Manassas? Then by all means, opine away about the sign.
So as not to dodge your question, Censored, I think the resolution has worked quite well, considering the ups and downs in getting it hammered out. Get out and talk to the people who were most impacted by overcrowded houses, unlicensed drivers and gang activity. Ask the family of CJ Angelos if they would welcome back any of the illegal immigrants who were scared off by the resolution. Those are the “statistics” that really matter, the people who are impacted the most, the RESIDENTS. Given the inaction of the Federal Government, it IS apparently up to the localities to provide solutions. I’m betting you’re going to see more and more local enforcement efforts no matter who wins the presidential election this time around. If we sit around and wait for the Feds to act, jurisdictions will go bankrupt trying to provide so many services for unlimited numbers of new arrivals without adequate taxpayer funding.
You can play with the numbers any way you wish, to make them reflect whatever agenda you want them to reflect. Both sides do that quite well. If we talk numbers, we will never come to an agreement.
Emma, Robb Pearson’s opinion seems to bother you. Were you bothered by FAIR’s meddling in our affairs?
Some of your statements above seem right out of Greg’s playbook – an emphasis on the extremes (overcrowding, the gang-related murder, gang activity, unlicensed drivers) as though they are something that the average resident encounters in going about their daily activities. I’m not saying to ignore these problems when they occur, but they do not occur as frequently as HSM members/BVBL posters imply. And some of the funds that could be used to address these problems have been squandered on a diversion.
Robb is entitled to his opinion. I am entitled to disagree and even try to discredit his opinion. You are entitled to defend him even if he declares that Corey has deployed androids to eat little Hispanic children.
Honestly, Censored, your responses are right out of the anti playbook.
Which responses?
Well, Censored, it’s been obvious to me for quite some time that Gospel Greg indoctrinated Emma. She has taken this personally and no longer looks at facts, only talking points from her trusted spiritual adviser.
This means she is very easy to debunk, as predictable as she has become. Also, it means she part of a shrinking and discredited crowd of hateful extremists. I feel sorry for her more than anything (especially since her name is known by many).
She may not have realized the implications of indoctrination at the hands of Gospel Greg, since she was still learning about the issue when she fell into his web of lies.
More lines out of the anti playbook from NGL, whose tape plays on a continuous loop here where everyone gets neatly categorized.
My name is known “by many” here? So what? How flattering that anyone would take the time to do that kind of research, even discounting the privacy issues that the owners here so flagrantly disregard.
I’m a private citizen expressing my opinion. You’ve clearly run out of ammunition if you need to hint around at my identity to try to make your point.
“My name is known “by many” here? So what? How flattering that anyone would take the time to do that kind of research, even discounting the privacy issues that the owners here so flagrantly disregard. ”
Emma, I don’t know your name but you’re assuming that it’s become known through this blog. How about taking at look at HSM.
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Whatever. What’s your point?
Oh, wait. I see. If you challenge anti, they will out you. I get it.
That should do wonders for the popularity of this blog.
Emma, how do you know that you were outted by anyone here? You don’t.
Don’t know, don’t care, Censored. It would only reflect badly on this site, anyway, if it happened. I was just responding to NGL’s statement at 11:57 that “I feel sorry for her more than anything (especially since her name is known by many).”
That’s all. Nothing to get all excited about.
“Don’t know, don’t care, Censored.”
But you’ll blame the posters here anyway. LOL!
Not excited, just entertained…
Emma, your regurgitated Gospel Greg quotes are quite boring, but you made a name for yourself because you had the gall to call someone “fat” and, well, we found your picture.
Emma Said: “Ask the family of CJ Angelos if they would welcome back any of the illegal immigrants who were scared off by the resolution.”
This was terrible for that family, but the fact cannot be ignored that the number of American citizens (and the percentage of killings attributed to “illegals” is very, very small in relation to the total violence committed in this country). Using these instances as support that all “illegals” should be deported (thereby basically postulating that all “illegals” are murderers) just doesn’t hold up. By that hypothesis, any American citizen killed by a black person should be saying “See, we should go back to holding black people as slaves…that way they couldn’t be out here, free to kill Americans”. No one is standing up and saying that, because the idea is ridiculous.
Also, I noticed Emma just glossed over my response to her comment that the 1.6 could be attributed to all the “illegals” leaving. I asked, if that was the case, where are the stats showing the total number of crimes committed dropping hugely since all these “illegal” criminals have left. The numbers haven’t changed substantially, certainly not to support the idea that 1 year ago 20% of crimes in PWC were committed by “illegals” and now, since the resolution has been implemented the number dropped to 1.6%. She just said “Let’s get back to my original post….”.
Nice, NGL. Wanna trade photos?
Twinad, why can’t Robb answer for himself? Does he really need his gal pals to run interference?
My bad. I thought this was an open forum, so we could address any inconsistencies in another person’s argument. If you have to wait to have Robb address the question, I will butt out. I’m just askin’. Where is the substantial drop in the number of arrests and crimes in the last 6 months compared to before the Resolution was implemented. Now we KNOW the percentage of crimes in PWC perpetrated by “illegals”. And it ain’t that much. So, all I want to know is this: Where is the huge DROP in crime since the CRIME WAVE of the last few years should be over now? Oh, yeah. There was no CRIME WAVE over the last few years. It had already been declining with the influx of immigrants both legal and illegal.
I don’t think anti has a play book. We aren’t an organization like HSM is. What would we be called? HSMFHSM? Help Save Manassas FROM Help Save Manassas? Everyone here is an individual, not a club member. I would say no 2 people here think exactly alike.
I encourage Rob to speak here. Perhaps he sees some of these issues from a different perspective. I can learn from his experiences. I think we established a while back that we simply cannot be territorial about these things. We all do have overlaps.
Emma, you make it sound like Robb is using us as guinea pigs, which is far from being the case.
Emma, show me where someone outted you. I have no idea who you are. Let’s not make false accusations.
And in general, no one is guaranteed anonymity on a blog, regardless of how pure someone’s intentions are. Think of it like emailing or writing your supervisor. That question or concern could end up in someone else’s possession.
Twinad, with all due respect, given your husband’s legal status, I would hardly expect you to be able to respond in any nuanced way to anyone who disagrees with you over these issues. The statistics can say anything you want them to say.
Moon-howler, maybe I’m a little confused as to what NGL was referring to at 11:57 when he/she says: “I feel sorry for her more than anything (especially since her name is known by many).” And then again at 14:01 with: “you made a name for yourself because you had the gall to call someone “fat” and, well, we found your picture.”
Whatever could he/she be hinting at? And whom did I refer to as “fat”?
Are you concerned about something, Moon-howler? I’m well aware what admin is able to see. I see the same things myself.
Emma, no. I am not concerned over anything having to do with blogging. I think that the earlier posters have you confused with someone else. If I recall correctly, you ripped into someone else for making personal remarks. Am I incorrect about this?
I thought the weight comments were ridiculously inappropriate and offensive, and I made that known. So I am at a loss as to NGL’s comment.
No matter, though. There is so much hatred in his/her posting to me that I don’t think there is much chance we would find common ground. Too bad.
Maybe it wasn’t you Emma. Sorry if I was wrong. Sorry if I was right, also. I shouldn’t have brought it up anyway.
Boohoo, so what if 2,300 people are ignoring Gospel Greg’s spam emails. We all get spam from various sources. It doesn’t mean they are powerful. Just annoying.
The only people I know who still get his spam quit the group a long time ago, right around the time Greg became “Gospel Greg.” They see the email alerts as a way to keep track of what the town idiot is up to next.
WHWN:
Since you like to ask why. Why “Weasel John” Stirrup? Why not not “Weasel John” McCain? I see a lot of ideological parallels.
Although I have plenty of problems with John Stirrup’s scapegoating/fear politics and thinly veiled prejudice, my reference to him as “Weasel John” has nothing to do with his ideology. He was a career lobbyist in Washington with connections in the high echelons of the party. Reportedly unnerved by the ethnic diversity in Arlington, he also calculated that if he moved to Gainesville, he could manuever himself on to the Supervisor ballot with his friends in high places, and in a heavily Republican district, be elected despite being the poster boy for the word Carpetbagger.
As a Board Member, he has had almost no mind of his own, and lets Corey Stewart not only take the initiative, but take the heat for most of their policy decisions. I call him Weasel John because he is always hiding behind Corey Stewart’s skirts.
Okay. But what about McCain is hiding behind the skirts of Sarah Palin. Couldn’t take on Obama without right winger with hate in her heart to mobilize “the base.” McCain was cool when he was a moderate. But now his game is so obvious. He is giving up on independents and Democrats voting for him, and taking a chance that Palin can resurrect the Bush/Cheney electorate by promising more of the same Bush/Cheney policies. If, instead, he’d tapped, say Romney, everyone would be focusing on the policies, which are obviously a 3rd term of the Bush administration. But with Sarah’s skirts to hide behind, McCain can pander to right wing extremists and let Sarah take the heat.
Sarah Palin is John McCain’s Corey Stewart.
I won’t call McCain a weasel.
But I’ll say it again. Sarah Palin is John McCain’s Corey Stewart.
FortKnocks, I don’t care to argue with you about national politics. This blog, tends to focus on local politics, much to its advantage. Can we agree that John Stirrup is a weasel and leave it at that? Appointing Rob Duecaster is a cowardly way to say, “Racists, I have your back.”
Why can’t we talk about more than one topic on a thread? I’m just trying to explore your reasoning for accepting dirty politics from one person but rejecting it from another.