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Apparently Corey has taken a giant step backward in his political ambitions. Perhaps he heard that there would be cameras there but not Eric and Annabel.

BTW, these people (FAIR) have a way of deciding who an “expert” is. It generally revolves around whether or not these so-called experts agree with their (FAIR) own political agenda.

Figures he’s joining FAIR today in DC.

Maybe he will join them on a full-time basis and get the hell out of our county.

Oh! Another black eye for Prince William County. Wonder how much coaching Mr. S got from GL and RD?

Won’t they be there as well, Marie?

Marie,
Coaching. I was wondering who wrote the words Corey will address them with? And if the his blackberry would be buzzing with “new intell”.
Black eye, indeed. How much more of a beating is this county going to have to take?

kgotthardt,
Don’t know if GL or RD will be there or not. Does anyone else know?

Chris,
I was wondering the same.

Marie,
I think RD extented an invitation to all of the twenty some people present at the last HSM meeting. Wonder if they got any takers. Will they be travelling in an armored vehicle? Did you see my post on BOS meeting on prior thread from last night? I’m sure you’ll find it most interesting as well.

Interesting. Prince William Co will not have 2 black eyes and a broken nose because GL and RD will probably be there to put in their 2 cents worth.

I will read your post from last night. Have not read that yet. Was out of town all day yesterday.

Chris,
Read your post. Yes, it is very interesting. I thought I had seen and heard it all but I am continually astounded by some people.

I am all for freedom of speech but it needs to contain some semblance of responsibility. I find none in anything GL or RD say. They just continually want to fan the flames of hate and much of what they say is based in myth or half-truths.

Correction: Prince William Co will NOW have 2 black eyes and a broken nose because GL and RD will probably be there to put in their 2 cents worth.

Marie,
I caught your post above. Has there been a back ground check done on gl or rd?

Dan Stein is the President of a Hate Group lobbying firm in Washington DC called F.A.I.R. He is “very proud” of his work in Prince William County as he testified before the U.S. Civil Rights Commission last year. F.A.I.R. is doing a dog and pony show today even though McCain kicked their anti-immigrant butts in the primary and, as a result, their racist agenda is being ignored by all but the most hateful and extreme Americans.

Prince William was supposed to be a shining example of what happens when you let an Anti-Immigrant Hate Group from Washington DC write the local laws of a county instead of the people who live there.

But yesterday’s Washington Post article proves that the same tiny, 1.6 percent of crime is being committed by undocumented individuals CONSISTENTLY over the past six months since their policy began. Not that 1.6 percent could drop very much. But when you consider that the police have essentially been ordered to look out for people who might look illegal, 1.6 percent is probably over-representative.

So the big lie that made this whole economic and public safety disaster possible turned out to be even less true than most of the pro-immigrant people claimed in 2007. 1.6 percent of the crime is too small a number to spend 50 percent of your time and resources, especially when your job had formerly been keeping us safe.

–Has there been a back ground check done on gl or rd?–

I’m betting NO. I don’t think appointees have to get background checks.

kg-
That was an inside joke just for Marie.;)
I don’t think a background check is or should be required of appointees.

Blowhards? You have got to be kidding me. Is that how he speaks of his constituents who do not necessarily agree with him? I guess those who agree with him on everything but immigration are still blowhards?

Where can we get a copy of that audio?

That is one term I will personally make sure he never forgets.

KathyZ, which show was Corey on?

He was on the Chris Core show, gag me! Whoops, Michael may that that suggestion literally! Just kidding Michael, please don’t gag me or throw me in jail

He was lying by ommision and the completely uninformed Chris ate it up, all the half truths and lies.

1)Crime has decreased by almost 20% because of the resolution- LIE, we all know it has been steadily decreasing since 2004, until this past 6 months of course where it remained flat.

2)Savings in schools because ESOL has dropped, WHAT proof is that? Furthermore, let’s just say for arguments sake, it’s true, we have lost latino immigrants, legal our otherwise, do we really want to brag about that? I am also wondering why he refused to take responsibility for our forclosure crisis being number on in Virginia? Did these people only go to school and jail ? I assume they must have LIVED somewhere!

3)Uninsured birth rate is down but forgot to mention that ER visits have INCREASED!

4)TOTALLY left out that only 1.6 % of arrested are “illegal Immigrants”

But my favorite was when he called all us citizens who speak out “big mouths”. I swear he said big mouths, but “blowhards” are just as bad. Yes, we are the big mouths, but his minions getting up and talking about machine guns, dogs, and barbed wire are perfectly reasonable people? OY VAY as my Bubbie would say

I am sick of those lies he tells. No empirical evidence. He just pulls monkeys out of his butt because he is told to say that. He doesn’t care if the information is accurate or not.

At this point I am just so disgusted with this county. The chairman goes on regional radio and tells huge lies. The vice chair appoints people to strategic task force committees, one a person who is so bored with life she can’t stop writing FOIA requests. Can everyone say PEST. She has cost the county a fortune sticking her nose into other people’s business, just trying to catch someone doing something SHE doesn’t approve of. (Remember Church lady on SNL? –Is that YOU SATAN???????????)

The other appointee sounds like some sort of bad rapper dude going around packing heat with his doberman having some sort of psychotic episodes about ILLEGALS invading his country and getting out garden tools for self defense. And these people are who our elected officials think should be guilding the county on citizens committees?

“Blow Hards”, he wasn’t serious was he? I will reserve my crude comments on that one. Oh, and if it was “big mouths” that’s equally as funny.
Moony-sad, but true. Although, I’ve been entertained with your words of wisdom. Or is that “pearls of wisdom”.

He referred to people who expressed a different view as “blow hards”? OMG! Now Prince William County not only has two black eyes and a bloody nose but a big fat lip, too.

Isn’t CS a great public spokeman for Prince William?

Uninsured birth rates, huh? Yeah, he’s on the “kill all babies to lower the population crew” for sure.

“I don’t think a background check is or should be required of appointees”

I most definately disagree. Appointees are the people recommending policy. Would you want a killer, for example, doing that? How about a KKK member? How about a child molester? Be real.

And how about signing an statement of ethics? Or is that too much to ask of our local government?

MoonHowler,
I had to find some church chat for you. Enjoy!
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/church-chat/2732/

Well Chris, isn’t that SPECIAL! Thanks. I sure miss Church Lady and Church Chat. Maybe I should go over and see if Gospel Greg is doing any of that old time religion. Nah…just character assassination.

Still fixating on being called a ‘Blowhard.’

Corey and John didn’t have much of a paper trail when they first were elected to office. That is all changing.

Many people out there are now taking names and kicking ass, so to speak. The many stupid comments that have been made are now part of the annals of Prince William County history, both written and film media. <—(media hint hint…making Eric and Annabel part of the media) Maybe that is why Stirrup is so nervous about film media. He thinks it might make him and Corey look stupid. Ya think???

I just want to know if there has ever been an FOIA request come back with blacked out segments….the question that remains, otherwise this is BS…..LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-9L-RZkod4

I tried to post this 3 times….hmmm, to go even more with the theme…just kidding

Elena, thanks for exposing the Corey Stewart Lies Of The Day.

I think Corey is spending too much time reading this blog. It’s getting under his skin and he feels forced to go on lying even as the truth is coming out bit by bit.

But you know at this point, he is discrediting himself more than he is the county. He’s become the king of the clowns and day by day more people find out about it.

They should come back with blacked out personal information like address, telephone number, email address. I seriously doubt that they do though.

Corey is right about deporting “illegal” immigrants. “illegal” immigration is a crime, regardless of how much you try to re-define it, distort it, ignore it, sugar coat it and attempt to call it something else. 100% of “illegals” are criminals, check the federal statues again, and so are the people who aid and abet them, hide them and harbor them. Removing 100% of all “illegals” from the country, will remove 100% of the effects of “illegal” immigration (”the crime”) on 100% of the majority of people in this Democracy that elected the congressmen who made, created and supported these federal criminal statutes.

Personally, I see the laywers at F.a.i.r. as no different than the lawyers at SPLC. They are both private unions of lawyers and by each others definitions of the other group “racists” and racial hate-mongers unless they ALL take race and ethnic language completely out of the legal question ansd simply address the legality of the LAW. That is what LAWYERS and JUDGES are supposed to do in a LEGAL system. Politicians are supposed to CREATE law and policemen are supposed to ENFORCE it.

Sometime I think people have forgotten what their public jobs are, except Corey. He is advocating for enforcement of the law in a democracy that made the law and for people that voted for him to represent him and their majority desires.

I have no issue with him. He has violated neither of the following concepts.

1. He has advocated for law enforcement and the enforcement of existing law on “illegals”.
2. He has not been a racist, exhibited any ethnic hated behavior that I have seen (loose and feeble association with politcal groups that other ethnic-centric political groups call a hate group does not mean an individual is a racist, not even close) or been a member of any racial hate group aligned along gender, racial, ethnic, or religious political group boundaries. He has aligned along republican and democratic political boundaries and acted on the political desires of the majority of his constituancy in the Democracy by honoring the “majority rule of law” in a democracy.

Here we go with the “extreme” emotional comments again, backed by more speculation, manipulation of “numbers” and political malice. We totally miss the issues once again in our political diatribes and tyrades against Corey.

To not enforce law is to invite criminalization of the political infrastructure in our society and the eventual spiral into an unethical and immoral community.

So I disagree with you again it is a “problem” to enforce law and deport “illegals” and to stop racial hatred caused by ethnic group political alignment and political activity primarily exhibited by these illegals and the political activits that support them. I see enforcing the law as an absolute imperative to the health and welfare of our entire society, our Democracy and our legal system.

Your emotional attacks on Corey are mis-guided and way off-base as usual.

Yuppers, those vids make Stirrup and Stewart look like liars and idiots. No wonder they don’t want them shown.

Hey, look! It’s the Pinkos of PWC!

I will reserve my judgment until I see PROOF but if true…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7xWyiIb8e8

The founder of Fair is not Fair, any more than the founder of SPLC is SPLC. Yes individuals of all kinds make racist and ethnic group discriminatory statements, I see that a lot from minority groups too, from the NAACP and from the SPLC itself. What matters is the “legality” of what these groups do even though many of their leaders are “racists” like leaders of the NAACP. “racism” of that type, is harmful and it occurs on BOTH sides and with all gender, racial, religious and ethnic centric political groups.

What matters most is the EQUALITY of the law. Unless any of these groups break law, they have the same rights to free speech as anyone, they do not however have “rights” to be racists, whether it is the NAACP, the SPLC, the ADL, Fair, or any other “ethnic” aligned political group.
I do not agree with reducing legal immigration, unless the nation determines it must through law and congressional action that it must for its own future welfare. If or when the nation sees the need to do this it must do so with law and enforce that law equtably across all “individuals”, not just specific gender, ethnic, racial or religious groups.

I do support eliminating “illegal” immigration, I have been very clear on that and very clear on stopping racism, from both FAIR and SPLC mouths and minds (AND even the LWV is “racist” from a perspective of only supporting gender-centric law). tHIS OCCURS ANYTIME law IS equally APPLIED AND beneficial to everyone as “individuals” ONLY.

The problem with this “race” issue is in my opinion a problem created by one ethnic group specifically dominating the “numbers” of illegal immigrants, when the Law is blind to all. It is a law enforced on everyone, regardless of national origin, and regardless of how many “individuals” break it.
When you make this a RACE issue, everytime you lose the “legal” perspective, and thus WILL LOSE YOUR ARGUMENT.

When you make this a “race” issue, you very often become a racist yourself, ever think about the truth in that?

Michael,

The argument gets STUCK/LOST on TABOO buzz words of RACE. This is why so many people will come together ( which I know you argue against) to have ONE SUPER LOUD voice or SLAP ( ouch) for a wake up call to TRUTH.

The argument gets lost when the LAW is lost Red Dawn. When the law is the SAME NO race, religion, gender or ethnic group has any legal claim to damage or harm, it is only a misguided and fabricated perception of harm, caused by their OWN RACISM.

This is what is wrong with gender, racial, ethnic, and religious group political advocacy along these political lines of BELIEF. IF the law is the SAME applied to all individuals, any group that speaks out claiming injustice or racism is itself RACIST.

RACISM only occurs when the law is NOT the same, and when people BREAK the LAW. IF you break such laws you are a RACIST.

Only the law can determine what is racism and what is not, the rest is free speech, mean free speech and selfish free speech mostly by RACISTS operating in political hate groups like the NAACP, SPLC, FAIR, ADL and LWV. THE LAW IS THE SAME for all of them, it is they who are the racists by CLAIMING IT IS NOT, basically a lie about the reality of the majority RULE OF LAW, created by congressmen, enforced by police, abused by RACISTS of all genders, races, religions and ethnic groups by their own hatred and for their own personal group dominance and political advancement over others.

I see this behavior a LOT on BOTH sides.

Homeless get aid in taking up jobs vacated after raids
By Joel Burgess
The Asheville Citizen-Times (NC), August 28, 2008
http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880827112

The LAW is the TRUTH. The wake up call should be a slap to enforce it and stop pretending the LAW is unfair just because you don’t like some other gender, race, religion or ethnic group, or some “individual” or their political advocacy position to ENFORCE the LAW.

Excellent post Info! That is also a Truth! and Lawful!

Michael, I believe you have said that the police dept and/or county manipulated facts and figured and that Corey spoke the truth. Prove it.

When you offer proof, then the discussion will continue.

Michael,

I can honestly say that I agree. My mission is to preserve our constitutional rights PERIOD.
I see them slipping away and we have NO say or vote on the matter, THIS is the difference and where it changes for me not to solely rely on the law and toPROMOTE people to question and stay vigilant. I believe this to be the true American spirit.

With that said, I believe the MAJORITY of people (even on this blog) feel the same way BUT something is broken and we are trying to come together and fix it.
Cause and effect, chicken or the egg…E-verify, or another LOOPHOLE …CHILD labor?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/09/slaughterhouse.child.labor.ap/index.html

posted by Red Dawn ( problems posting links again)

Michael,
How do you feel about the Anti Defamation League?

I loved how Corey talked about crime and illegal immigrants. I wonder why he left out the most glaring aspect of Chief Deanes report…………..1.6 of all arrest are illegal immigrants or one could say, 98.4 % if criminals are legal Americans ! Geez, this is what we spent million of freakin’ money on? Money that could have, SHOULD have, been spent on services for the eldery and the young, parks and open space, libraries, etc etc!

How incredibly pathetic.

I said “I don’t care if we find only 2% “illegals” at all arrests made. I still find that number hard to believe and wonder how that figure was politically manipulated, when I know we have 5000-8000 “illegals” in our county alone and 12-15 Million in the country.

Wondering is not accusing, any more than nickpicking is malicious.

Corey is using a different set of “numbers” or “facts” from his perspective, just like the REPORT from whatever source the police dept/county uses “numbers” or “facts” of a different type available to the creator of the report’s perspective. 2% of what kinds of arrests? All arrests, a subset of arrests, a category of crimes?, etc. Pick any form and you can manipulate the political impression of what they mean. Since none of us know the “raw data” the numbers were derived from, and I know that ALL raw data can be politically manipulated, I don’t trust numbers from anyone to represent the entire truth, especially when the ISSUE is political. I speculate the SAME RAW data could be politically aggregated to represent an entirely different story the person who created the report WANTS TO TELL.

I don’t think Corey can speak the truth about RAW DATA anymore than any other organization aggregating raw data can to tell the story they want to tell.

I don’t need to offer proof that either or BOTH of them could be wrong or misleading, I just know they can’t both be right and likely never the same.

That is why I only trust the LAW, is is either ENFORCED by the Police or NOT. 5000-600=4400 “illegals” THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ARRESTED. That is my own form of political manipulation of the numbers from TRUTHFUL RAW DATA.

I think 4400 “illegals” still here in our county is a bigger issue than the 600 or so arrested so far. I think that means we have not spent ENOUGH.

The ADL is like every other political group concerned only about a specific ethnic, gender, racial or religious group welfare. All of them are the same to me, none pay attention to the Equality of LAW. The law in this society today is almost entirely EQUAL. Their are very few unjust laws anymore.

Yet ethnic, gender, ethnic and religious groups scream louder and louder, and more hysterically for their own special privileges, laws, and political issues, while hating and despising all others not of that group, exhibiting racial behaviors themselves as a result of their hatred for all others.

What is broken is the “perception” of wrong doing by different politically active ethnic groups, not the law. It is the “perception” of wrong that is false and not the LAW that is false, and is the reason why you “Believe” the law is broken when it is not. The law is the same for everyone, there is a legal process for immigration, and a group of people who are “illegally” breaking that process are lawbreakers who do not deserve special consideration or a different LAW. We have work visas, student visas and quotas, AND skill requirements based on EQUITABLE law.

That system is not broken. It is the PEOPLE who are racists who are BROKEN.

What is broken is that people are such racists today, specifically supporting only their own gender, racial, ethnic or religious interests that they advocate the “LAW” is broken, because it does not specifically HELP their ethnic group interests.

They scream racism and that the law is broken, when it is not. They are the racists and the lawbreakers because of their own political hatred and BELIEF of “unfairness” that they impose on all others not of their ethnic group.

THE LAW is FAIR and EQUITABLE for all. The quota is fair and equitable for all. How it goes up or down is a national policy decision. Once set that quota is LEGAL.

“The immediate object of the League is to stop, by appeals to reason and conscience and, if necessary, by appeals to law, the defamation of the Jewish people. Its ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens.”

ADL Charter October 1913

For all citizens Michael, not just one sect. Are you so naive to believe that equality exists in this utopia world you have created in your own head Michael?

Is John Jenkins a racist???

I’m watching the BOCS reruns and he only seems to speak up when weighing in on issues that relate to immigration.

Some lady is making a presentation about house overcrowding convictions going down drastically. Jenkins seems to think there aren’t enough house overcrowding convictions. He said:

Every time we turn around we find that there is some obstacle thrown in front of enforcement.
When you see 6 vans in front of a house, I know, and the citizens who have to live in that environment know, that violations are occuring, 3 cases are too few for a county the size of PWC.

So it’s not enough for this guy that we’ve engaged in ethnic cleansing under the color of the law. He won’t be happy until

His reference to 6 vans outside a home is a thinly veiled reference to working class immigrants.

And I wonder.

I wonder…would this good ol’ boy be whooping his rebel yell if the 6 vans were replaced with 6 pickup trucks, with gun racks, confederate flags, and stickers saying ‘Sons of the South’?

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=76001&catid=158

Here’s an article that will be in tomorrow’s MJM, and just put on line. It looks like Corey was on Rush Limbaugh today too.
http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/contractors_retirees_now_in_county_residency_mix/21063/

Mackie,

OFF subject of what you were talking about BUT NO SH^T, what was her point? DUH! lol

“Some lady is making a presentation about house overcrowding convictions going down drastically”

Elena you are naive if you think that ANY mission statement that a specific ethnic chartered political group “the jewish people in this case” will not be “racists” themselves in pursuit of laws that benefit only them.

My point is WHAT law is targeting this group so MUCH in America today that they need a special Legal entity focused only on them to protect them? What LAW are they not protected by?

They form groups like this because they are racists themselves and hate anyone who is not Jewish. That is why they persue law that benefits only them and despise laws that are EQUALLY enforced on all other “individuals”, including them, the same.

That is also why they are at war in the rest of the world with the Muslims of the rest of the world. A LOT of jewish people hate muslims (especially politically) and that alone makes them a “hate” group. Do you think that hate is going away just because they formed the ADL? Muslims hate jews, they have the Arab league, equally hateful politcally motivated to pass law just for them.

ALL of these groups “HATE” somebody or they would not form these political groups along ethnic, gender, racial or ethnic political lines.

When the LAW id the SAME for ALL of THEM there is NO INJUSTICE, only the Perception of INJUSTICE created by their own hatred for others.

YOU WILL NEVER GET THIS WILL YOU? as you gullibly believe all of these “groups” politically crafted mission statements. You have only to look at their actions to see who they TARGET as the subject of thier hatred.

You seem to think that a gender, ethnic, racial, or religious group can only PROTECT ITSELF by forming a group aligned along Ethnic or religious attributes? Equitalble law protects them, what law today is not equal for all jewish people in this nation?

Take a good look around at the reality of the rest of the world, where these groups operate as they please. That is where you will find where their true hatred lies, not in the mask they put on as they manipulate US law for their own politically covert benefit.

Equality exists in the LAW Elena, nowhere else. If you think it exists anywhere else you are misled. Inequality can only be corrected with LAW that is EQUAL for all individuals, not just laws for these ethnic, gender, racial and religious groups.

These groups are obsolete and have become “racists” themselves in today’s legal climate.

Alanna, get out of the past and into the present. All of these laws have been changed a long time ago, yet people still scream racism. Why? Because they themselves are racists and want more than the EQUALITY of the LAW. Your argument and “perception” is a “belief” and is irrelevant in today’s society. It only promotes more hatred and more mis-information that makes racially motivated groups, like the NAACP even more motivated with political hatred for all others not like themselves or belonging to their racial, gender, religious or ethnic group. THE LAW was made equal a long time ago, it is STILL equal. The problem is you are clinging like everyone else to a perception of injustice rather than REAL injustice. This is why you are wrong and your politcal beliefs against others are not justified, and in fact cause a lot of harm to the MAJORITY of a Democracy and a majority rule of law.

You and everyone else need to start think about how EQUITABLE LAW is applied equally to “individuals” before you can claim ANY right to wrong-doing or injustice. If no laws are broken, you are simply encouraging people to be bitter racists.

Alanna,
Forget about Micheal for a minute, and check your email.

You have to first PROVE a LAW is flawed, by proving it is not EQUITABLE to ALL “individuals” that is how. You don’t form politcal gender, racial, ethnic and religious hate groups.

It is the “individual” you have to account to under common law, not a group, everything else is RACISM.

That is why “numerical balancing” and “quotas” are ILLEGAL. They cannot be EQUITABLY applied to ALL individuals THE SAME.

None of you understand this, and this is why you are WRONG.

Sorry, I would love to continue, but I have to go.

Okay, so I’ve read everything on this thread except the Michael posts.

Who else will admit to reaching for the scroll button?

NotGl,
I’ll come clean and admit to the scroll button.

The Anti-Defamation League was founded in 1913 “to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all.” Now the nation’s premier civil rights/human relations agency, ADL fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all.

Michael, notice that in addition to stopping defamation of Jewish people, it protects civil rights for ALL. Are you denying that the Jewish people might have cause for attempting to protect themselves? Please tell me no. I beg of you.

Additionally, unless you are looking at county numbers that were handed out last night, don’t start acting like someone is trying to cook the books. If Superintendent Pete Meletis says that 48 illegal immigrants were hauled away by ICE, only to return and be arrested again, I believe him. That is raw data and I see no reason for him to lie about this phenomena.

Please don’t try to argue with those of us who are in possession of the data. And yes, Corey is lying. He needs to use the same numbers that the ADC and the PWPD uses. He can’t go pulling numbers out of his ears.

I don’t mind someone disagreeing with me. I mind them lying to prove their point. That is my fight with these jokers. In fact, I am all in favor of 287g at the ADC. There is a point where we could find common ground. But oh no…..many from the circle club and the 2 politicians try to put their own spin on things and make false statements. I won’t agree with lies.

Michael, what is your opinion of the Nuremburg Laws? Do you think they were fair and equitable to everyone? Do you think they could ever be enacted here?

How about the many Jim Crow laws that were part of state and local government all over the south? Were they fair and equitable?

How about the various laws on the books banning contraception until they were overturned by Griswald vs Connecticut? Any thoughts on those?

Just because something is a law doesn’t make it good.

John Jenkins is not a racist.

Those work vans are not supposed to be in neighborhoods unless they are providing services. When 6 are parked in front of one house, it is a pretty good indication that too many adults might live in that house. Not an absolute, but a good indication.

Come on Mackie, plenty of people drive work vans who are not Latino. Remember the sniper days when we were all looking for a white van with a white man in it? There must have been 10,000 sightings a day.

Yeah, I do scroll through Michael’s posts, but I do enjoy the ones that begin with Michael and a comma. They are hilarious!

Did any one see Sarah Palin trying out for Dick Cheney Part 2?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuIag1agN2A

What in the world would make you folks happy? I don’t think you could collectively decide what that is. Surely it can’t be to let anyone in the world just walk into our country and make demands of us. I hope you haven’t sold us out to that extent. Unless you have a problem with us even being or remaining a country that enforces or is allowed to enforce laws with defined consequences, then I really have a hard time figuring you out. What is your cause? At least the county has clearly stated theirs!

You know what would make me happy SA?

1. Continue neighborhood code enforcement.
2. Continue neighborhood clean-ups.
3. Listen to people’s neighborhood concerns and get them fixed.
4. Let ICE do their job and attack the rest of the issues federally.
5. Remove Stirrup, Stewart, HSM Members, FAIR Freaks and their cronies from out county government. They are LIARS and they have screwed us financially, socially, and image-wise.
6. Return PWC to a place of peace and prosperity, not a place of fear, hate and demise.
7. Invest in and enhance what’s good about PWC: libraries, parks, schools, etc. Help human services help those who really need it. Get the sick, disabled, mentally ill, and elderly the help they need instead of chasing around immigrants and wasing our MONEY.

THAT’S what would make me happy.

Michael, you are in the same boat as Stirrup, Stewart, HSM Members, their hate cronies and lie perpetuators: You most likely have never worked side-by-side with the immigrant community. You most likely have never been friends with an immigrant. You most likely have no persoal connections with them. You might not even have any other experience outside of what HSM/GL/RD/Stirrup and Stewart communicate with you.

Until you do, then I don’t find your “everyone cries racist” comments credible. Until you walk in someone else’s shoes, I suggest you take your ethnocentric, limited perspective elsewhere. I don’t care how much you have traveled around the world. You can travel around the whole world with your eyes shut, as you obvioulsy have done.

I don’t dismiss your posts, but you give me COMPLETE and UTTER HUEVA.

“Equality exists in the LAW Elena, nowhere else. ”

BS, Micahel. In this country, you get as much justice as you can afford. Immigrants can’t afford it. Neither can many of us. Quality under the law is a myth and you know damn well that not everyone is treated equally which is why we have had to have protected groups because idiots discriminate on a day-to-day basis, in the jusice system, and in government.

So if you want to stop the government having to protect certain minorities etc. you should work to fight racism OUTSIDE of government. Do some good and don’t just sit on your butt arguing abstract philosophy that doesn’t do concrete crap for our society.

BTW, I’m bitchy this morning. But that doesn’t mean you should dismiss what I’m saying.

Tall Jenkins to invest in affordable house, stop supportin foreclosures, and walk the walk instead of talking the talk. Maybe that will solve his damn van problem.

Or maybe he should just buy a white van himself. If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

Nah. White vans aren’t classy enough for some people, are they? White vans symbolize physical labor, hard work that involves struggle……you know….that blue collar stuff that armchair coaches love to avoid.

Blowhards is the kindest way I can think of to put it.

Hey INFO, then move to NC….they love hate groups there. Go look at the distribution of hate groups and see for yourself. Go look at how they persecute college students who don’t look “American” to them.

Moon-howler,

One thing that worries me is John Jenkin’s propensity to constantly complain about issues linked to immigration.

Why is he constantly complaining about lack enforcement?

After all the crap that has happened in the county, you’d think that this guy would give the immigrants a break now. Maybe there is house overcrowding going on, but there’s no reason why John boy Jenkins can’t pursue the issue very quietly instead of whooping his rebel yell and waving the battle flag every chance he gets.

He makes references in his complaints about how ‘his consituents’ have identified house overcrowding. It would be interesting to do a demographic study of who John boy Jenkins considers ‘his constituents’ to be. What about those constituents who can’t give him their opinion because their english is limited? Has this son of the south ever tried to learn spanish or a foreign language that his constituents might speak in order to reach out to them?

Why doesn’t John boy Jenkins ever say positive things about immigrants?

KG, You might be bitchy but that is a pretty decent laundry list you put up.

SA, you can’t just have a few people coming in and taking over the political thought and the body politic in an area. Don’t give me the bull about the majority of the residents. It is that. Bull. The majority of the residents don’t know what they want. They got stirred up by those with a political agenda. People are putting down the kool aid though and thinking for themselves. And that disturbs some who are used to having the power.

You all will have to ask John himself. I do know that his wife Ernestine and he have always been well liked by minorities and that they are both color blind. I would suggest that John Jenkins is looking at behavior rather than race. Ask yourself why a white southern good ole boy would continually be reelected for several decades in a diverse area like Dale City. He must be doing something right.

There are immigrant concerns. We cannot just pretend they don’t exist. The sooner the problems are solved, the sooner our community can return to normal. We can choose to ignore issues, and then groups like the Order of the Red Circle gain power because residents are upset. Or we can address behaviors now in a logical, decent way, get them handled, residents won’t be upset for long, and groups like HSM don’t get a foothold.

Probably a trip over to Dale City on the 4th of July for the parade might illustrate how much he is revered by his constituents.

Government links found on MAGIC. Here is the link:
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Here is a link to every aspect of government.

Descriptor from the website (their words not mine):

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This post made me laugh

http://www.americasvoiceonline.org/blog/entry/hate_group_holds_own_feet_to_fire/

The streaming video of the 9/9/08 BOCS meeting is available now.

It is over 5 hours long. You have been warned.

http://pwcgov.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=110

John Jenkins probably has the best idea of who his constituents are. Mr. Jenkins didn’t just land here in the last 7-8 years like these right wingers have. Mr. Jenkins lives in Dale City for crying out loud. He lives in the “thick of it”. The Jenkins have always made themselves available and accessible to the public for DECADES! That’s right ladies and gentlemen, DECADES, not just over a handful of years. He lives in an older established neighborhood. He doesn’t live in the quiet “rural cresent” or in a newer planned community setting. Mr. Jenkins is committed and dedicated to this county. He’s not here for his own political gain and/or agenda.

Moon-howler,
Thanks. Corey’s remarks about the legal status our about an hour into. Then you can zoom down to 7:30 Citizens’ Time(#12) for Mr. L’s suggestions. Then for the totally wacked machine gun turrets comments go to the Public Hearing for the evening(#13). Mr. L and Mr. D spoke on Orhard Glen Public Hearing.
I’m still shaking my head at that machine gun turrets comment for a solution to a vacant property.

Chris,

You sound like a campaign ad. I think John ‘Man of the People’ Jenkins can pursue house overcrowding issues if he wants but he ought to go about it more quietly. There is a reason why you need a court order to enter a house. He should show much more reverence for that bright line than he does. Instead, he talks about these constitutional protections like they were obstacles. And by talking that way, so publicly, he encourages other people to think that way. Some people will take their cue off a leader who says the necessity of a court order is a hassle. It is not a hassle. It is a bulwark of our freedom.

Mackie,
Say what you will. Campaign ad, my ass. You know we do NOT and will NOT ever agree on zoning type issues. Clearly, you’ve never had to live with some of the issues that have/are destroying our communities. You remind me too much of Micheal when it comes to things.

I am all for a court order to enter one’s house. However, you may fail to realize that many citizens actually let inspectors and others in when asked. It’s been said at BOS meetings by Neighborhood Services they do get the cooperation of residents.

I just watched Greg at Citizen’s Time at the streaming video linked above.

To my horror, he began by directly referencing Jenkin’s comments about overcrowding. This is EXACTLY why Jenkins should shut his fat mouth on this issue. He gave Greg an opening and ammunition to boot. Now Greg wants to pass a law that limits the number of adults in a house based on square footage.

If Jenkins had kept his mouth shut, Greg would have been forced to have his moronic ideas stand on their own. Now he can say he’s only trying to fix a problem IDENTIFIED by the BOCS.