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That’s a fine article. All hail the Chief! Notice the interesting wording when the article mentions crime statistics:

This year, he reported a drop in the crime rate to the lowest level in five years. Still, Deane will never forget one crime.

You could read that and, (1) not be aware of the five-year trend of crime going down, (2) read than and assume there’s a connection between the downward trending and the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s arrival in PWC last April. (3) read that and not know that crime is slightly up, bucking the five-year trend, since the Anti-Immigrant Lobby first installed its ill-conceived and unconstitutional resolution.

Excellent summation, Elena. WHWN is right, All Hail to the Chief.

What a splendid tribute to an almost 40 year career in Prince William County.

It saddens me that anyone would attempt to impugn his reputation. In fairness to Corey Stewart, I have never heard him say anything negative about the Chief. Yet when he did hear the chief of the Black Velvets talking smack, he should have stood up and defended this country employee from the roof tops rather than send him a list of 20 questions to answer.

The longest serving police chief in the area deserves more respect that this from an elected official. After that happened, it was impossible for me to think there was anything good about HSM.

Moon-howler, Corey didn’t attack the Chief publicly, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t attack him. One of the basic foundations of TheGregNCorey Show is that Gospel Greg is called upon to do the dirty work in order to keep Corey’s nose clean in the eyes of “low-information voters.” Corey was feeding the “treason” b.s. to Greg who posted it on his blog so Corey could publicly say “huh, what? wasn’t me.”

Kristen Mack deserves credit for this article. It’s good to humanize those we see as heroes. It helps us see that there is potential in ALL human beings to be heroes when we see that even the most courageous and true among us are not so different when you get down to it.

I love the bit where it says Chief Deane’s father was a Sheriff in a town that had only one deputy (1) and would call his mom up as the dispatcher!

On balance, this article is very good. Didn’t mean to be too critical but that one quote jumped out at me since bogus crime statistics are at the center of the GregNCorey Show spin machine.

“After that happened, it was impossible for me to think there was anything good about HSM”

… And when Stewart did not sever his bond with Letiecq and HSM after that apparent conspiratorial attack it was impossible for me to think anything good about him.

As a former neighbor of Chief Deane, I am here to say that I don’t think there’s a finer public servant in the County. He is a gentleman in every respect.

Greg Letiecq’s name shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath.

The day Greg slandered and lied about the Chief is the day many citizens, previously on the sidelines of the debate, woke and took notice.

Corey Stewart, a newcomer to PWC, must have been stunned by the support for Chief Deane, for he wasted no time back peddling from the nastygram he sent Chief Deane.

I applaud Chief Deane for standing strong. His commitment to this County is above question. He could retire and walk away from the mess Corey, John and Greg have created. Instead, he chooses to stay and help us all keep our heads above water while this nightmare plays itself out.

Casual,
Nice post.

Casual Observer, 24. July 2008, 13:48
The day Greg slandered and lied about the Chief is the day many citizens, previously on the sidelines of the debate, woke and took notice.

There were quite few that weren’t on the sidelines that changed their opinion.

Chief Deane will be here years after these “newcomers” wanting to use our county as a “stepping stone”. Corey and Greg migrated to our county just 7 years ago. ********
Do you think the nastygram was the words of Corey and/or Greg?

We are fortunate to have Chief Deane serving us. It’s quite unfortunate that not ALL feel this way. Of course some have not been around long enough to really understand the PWC, and it’s many long time residents.

Hindsight is 20/20. What a year it’s been in this county.

I don’t understand why these reporters always go to Greg Letiecq and Nancy Lyall for quotes. Do the opinions of other citizens and residents of the county not count? The formula for these articles are so tired. Why must they perpetuate the perception that there are “two sides”? I like what Annabel said in her reply to Mackie in the previous thread about the new 9500liberty videos:

At the beginning, we mistakenly thought that the story was about a political fight over the immigration issue with two sides — Help Save Manassas on one side and Mexicans Without Borders on the other — and since we didn’t identify readily with either, we thought it would be easy to be “neutral.”….Somewhere in our journey, the focus of our documentary shifted from the political fight over the immigration issue with two sides to a singular phenomenon, the politicization of the immigration issue.

It’s a mistake, an illusion, to think that what’s happened to the county is about a conflict with two clear sides. These reporters unquestioningly perpetuate the illusion and I am sick and tired of it. What’s happened to our county is a deliberate attempt to divide and conquer. These misguided reporters are colluding in perpetuating our problems by reducing the mess — the sinister political campaign and its tragic aftermath — into a battle with two sides. It’s irresponsible. Eric and Annabel were astute enough to see that the surface story is a constructed illusion and the real story is how that illusion was engineered by a few. I see many uncanny parallels between the current Prince William BOCS and the Bush administration.

Thanks for the kind words, Chris.

My guess is that Corey wrote the nasty gram, and that Greg was given a heads up — as well as a copy — with the understanding (why else would he send it?) that he would post it on his blog.

I enjoyed the ensuing *storm.

I’ve lived in PWC for 19 years and I’m still on learning curve! Seven years residency is nothing! I’m stunned that neither Corey nor Greg had even the slightest understanding of the esteem with which Chief Deane is held in PWC. Even more amazing is that Corey, Chair of the BOCS, didn’t get it. I think he needs to step outside his bubble and spend more time getting to know the County he serves. It would be nice if he could do this at some point before he moves on because, I agree with you, this job and our county are but a stepping stone.

Elena,
Just wanted to let you know that I think your framing of the WaPo article is outstanding!

As a side note, the response section of the WaPo article has not reached the four to ten pages of spew that immigration articles often generate with the “help save”/BVBL/assorted bigots crowd. At least not for now. They’ll have to gin up more emails or personnas. Hurry, hurry, dittoheads!

Chief Deane has done nothing that should impugn his or the PWC PD’s reputation other than not march to Gospel Greg’s tune. He absolutely is not the person giving this county the black eye or costing taxpayers money that would have been better spent elsewhere.

Totally off the topic, but I just got a call from a guy who says he started Help Save Herndon and Help Save VA. He’s concerned about some posts that he wants removed. He thought I was the Admin. GRRRR! When will that stupid rumor die?

Alanna, I sent you an email on this. He was polite and everything. He just wants some stuff taken off.

One more time for anyone who missed it: I AM NOT AN ADMIN ON THIS SITE! I HAVE MY OWN WRITING LIFE OUTSIDE OF IMMIGRATION ISSUES!

Is it my imagination or are the hate bunnies on this site less active and if active, less poopy? What’s going on? elvis? emma? Rick? SecondAlamo?

It’s too nice out to be pissy today

It may be my fault that some of the Hate Bunnies are gone. I was too honest with them about how valuable they were to us as examples of the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s mindset. And that posting hateful, racist, and/or ignorant rants on this blog only helped to sway the silent majority against their cause.

There was also a post that reminded people how many readers there are who only come here to read, and never post, including many from the PWC government. It may be that the combination may have caused them to do some strategic regrouping. Because the dialog on this blog was swaying the public and the government away from the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s agenda.

If they come back with some arguments that are factual, and are not littered with prejudice, stereotypes, and speculation, we’ll have a more informed conversation, but it won’t be as easy to debunk them. Which would you prefer?

For my two cents, I’d prefer they go back to the drawing board and come up with arguments that are factual. First of all, I’m curious to find out what those arguments might be. But also, I think it would improve the level of discourse to the point where we can finally move beyond responding to the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s talking points, and look at the real issues at hand.

Katherine,
Why would Help Save Herndon & VA be concerned about comments on here? They’ve NEVER once been mentioned. I don’t know if it’s regarding HSM stuff or what, but it’s important for all to know HSM is NOT a chaper of Help Save Virginia. Remember, there was also the birth of Save The Old Dominion late last year or early this year. I think they run a different style Help Save group then HSM.

This guy was concerned about some comments posted by Rod back in May, ones about him bringing his Great Dane to the polls.

Are all those Help Save groups FAIR?

I asked Davi if the local Help Save organizations and Minutemen were related to saveourstate on the car sign thread. I don’t think I mentioned HSH although I might have mentioned HSV.

Perhaps that concerned guy should check out the WaPo responses where a poster named roxy1 clearly mentions “Help Save Maryland or Help Save Manassas, Herndon, Defend DC”.

Oh, okay, he’s concerned about the dog comment.

Katherine,
Thanks.

I don’t know what the Help Save each do. I think some use FAIR as a tool..or is FAIR uses these groups as a tool.

I get the feeling HSH is concerned about what I posted in some ealier threads, that, Help Save Herndon has pretty much severed ties with with Help Save Manassas. HSM has no links to HSH on their website and visaversa. I also know that members of HSH have gone out of their way to prevent overtly racist people from joining. HSH was mainly formed to insure that taxpayer dollars would not be used to aid Illegal Aliens, as well as to preserve neighborhood safty by supporting 287g, not so much to drive all illegal aliens out of Herndon.

The founders of HSH and I had a legal scuffle back in the summer of 2005, ever since then, we give each other dirty looks, but I have no issue with their current status, in fact I’m glad to see they have not tried to push Greg’s agenda in town politics. oddly enough, HSH is a lot more tolerant than HSM.

Other than myself, I don’t remember anyone mentioning Help Save Herndon, and I don’t believe I have ever said anything bad about them. If I’m wrong about their current relationship to HSM, then I would say one of their leaders should come on here and clairify their relationship as opposed to trying to removing information. I’m a citizen of Herndon and have the right to speak my mind on HSM, they have the right to refute me.

Alanna, please e-mail me if they do mention me, If they want to dig up history, i want to make sure you have both sides of the story…

Rod, this guy didn’t like your post back in May about the Great Dane and harassing Muslims and Hispanics at the polls. That’s what he wants removed.

IMHO, all those Help Save groups should just call themselves something else and get rid of the stigmas FAIR and HSM give them….unless they WANT that stigma. The whole “save” thing is derogatory and doesn’t say “hey, let’s clean up our neighborhoods and tax structure.”

Oh the dog at the polling place for the 2008 Town Of Herndon Elections…that was early in my posting here, I might have dropped the founders name in my comment, though I have no idea why they should be concerned, the two founders of HSH were interviewed by CNN, they are publicly known.

As I recall the incident, I saw the the HSM founder amound other people taking turns holding the dog on a leash near the entrance to the polling place, I even took pictures. I did not say they threatened anyone, but it could have been an ulterior motive to scare away soem of the minority voters. I saw some people avoid the walkway where the canidates were because of the presence of the dog. This does not mean that people could not vote, because you could walk around the dog, but if you avoided the dog, you could not easily reach and talk to the opposition canidates, which made me really mad. It seems to me like scare tactics, but done in such a way as to seem innocent. If HSH wants to push this, I’ll whip out the photos so you cna judge for yourself, otherwise, I don’t think you should give in to them. If they think it’s libel, then issue me a summons, I have wittness’ and I have photos. This is a public forum and they have every oppertunity to climb out of the shadows and refute my statements, but I stand by what I saw.

Anyway, we are getting off topic, but I HSH has done some slippery things to protect their image, I want to make sure they are not trying to marginalize me thru the back door using empty legal threats and telling the moderator lies about me.

I remember that post now. My question was, “Why the hell would anyone take their dog to the polls anyway??” Especially a Great Dane? LOL. That’s like taking a pony!

Anyway, I didn’t really want to be involved because it’s none of my business and I don’t have Admin. authority on this blog (as I’ve said only about 100 times or so). The guy was polite, apologized for calling me out of the blue, so that’s fine.

Chris
“what a year its been in this county”. The understatement of the day!

Rod,

Thanks for clarification although I don’t think it is necessary on here. The caller extended the shelf life of whatever you wrote. I don’t care for any shinnanigans at the polls. Wasn’t the Gore/Bush fiasco in 2000 enough!

Pets don’t belong at the polls unless they are service animals.

UGH— I had to take a long look for the comment and I found it. I cannot refute what I saw as well as what others witnessed that day. This is ultimatly Alanna’s Blog, so I don’t have a problem if she want’s to redact the statement to hide the names, but the two individuals are who they are and it was my perception that they were trying to intimidate voters…I could be wrong, but the pictures don’t lie and the people with me were also concerned about their behaviour.

Ultimatly the tactic was stupid and did not work, but it still was a bit below the line of decency, at least in my opinion.

” Juturna, 24. July 2008, 16:50

Chris
“what a year its been in this county”. The understatement of the day!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftlYLcEW_I4&feature=related

rod2155,

Thank you so much for taking pictures and reporting on what to me appears to be a clear attempt at voter intimidation. Please don’t let the HSH people silence you. What they did reminds me of all those photos and newsreels of police siccing their dogs on civil rights marchers. Do you think you could please post the photos on a photo sharing web site?

I wonder, were any of the Help Save people dressed in any way whereby they might appear to be acting in an official capacity? This is a trick other anti-immigrant types have used in the past.

My fantasy is that the next time there is a local election, we each rent a great dane for the day and show up where the HSH people are stationed. It would be quite funny to see their reaction when we show up with 20 great danes.

Hail the Chief!

Eligible for retirement, but thankfully for PWC he has stayed on.

I’m glad the Post did this piece, but as is to be expected from writers, they sometimes rely on myth rather than actual fact to tell the tale. Sticking to myth makes better copy, I guess. Paint a distorted picture of a PWC as it once might have been, but move the timeline, the better to throw into relief the urbanized cosmopolitan PWC of today.

It is news to me to learn, for example, that 38 years ago “Prince William was a white farming community that considered itself part of central Virginia.”

I was in the 10th grade at Gar-Field High 38 years ago, and the school (now the Ferlazzo building) was so overcrowded we were on split shifts. You went in the morning or in the afternoon, depending on what neighborhood you lived in.

There were no farms anywhere in the vicinity, at least none in Woodbridge. You had to go way out past Minnieville, out 234, toward the western part of the county before you saw any fields or farms. By 1970, Dale City had already extended out to Hoadly, where there was an airport and a prison camp and a few country houses with vegetable gardens, but no farms. Where Dale City left off, Lake Ridge (already populous then!) began. I don’t know what the county population was in 1970. I’d say at least 100,000. A lot of people for a farm county in central Virginia.

The parts of PWC that had farms were too far from us in the transient, populated eastern end, and so we had virtually no contact with farms. Almost never saw them. Most people in the eastern end lived close to I-95 and Route 1, which were swift non-congested thoroughfares, unlike today. In 10 minutes you were at the beltway, and in 15 minutes more you were on the 14th Street Bridge. Trains ran through Manassas and Quantico, next stop Alexandria. Didn’t seem much like central Virginia to me.

In 1970, I remember 5 high schools in the county: Gar-Field & Woodbridge were both operating on split shifts to handle the population swell, and so therefore the two were essentially doing the work that 4 high schools should have been doing. I don’t know if Brentsville (the “country” high school) or Stonewall Jackson were operating on split shifts, but Osbourn, possibly. I didn’t know too much about the western end of the county, although I had the impression that it was much like the eastern end, and that people were constantly moving in and moving out of Manassas and Manassas Park. As to how many white farm children went to the other county high schools in 1970 I have no way of knowing, but I knew of only one such student at Gar-Field. Farm children were most definitely in the minority, I’d say.

The overcrowded Gar-Field was predominantly white then, as were most high schools in the suburban Washington area, but it is safe to say that Gar-Field was fairly “diverse” for its time, by comparison. The senior class president in 1970 at Gar-Field was black. The assistant principal was black. There were a handful of Black & also Hispanic (mostly Cuban) teachers at Gar-Field, and though predominantly white, as I said, the student body was also a mixture of Blacks, Asians, Indians, Italians, Greeks, and everything in-between, as well as students with Hispanic names. There were more trailer parks and motel cabins in the area than there are today, but there were also plenty of apartments and townhouses. The residents were primarily military, low-income, working class. The Prince William I knew didn’t seem like farm country and certainly not that “white” to me. “White” was Fairfax County. Also, Fairfax had a few cornfields itself back then, I might mention. So did Prince Georges & Montgomery County, for that matter — huge farms.

Prince William county “considered itself part of central Virginia”? What a laugh.

Anyway, I could go on about the “white farming community” that was not Prince William county 38 years ago, at the time when Charlie Deane came to work for the newly formed police force. The article doesn’t explore this, and neither have I, but I don’t think he was a rookie when he came to PWC. I think he already had maybe four years with the State Police, or if not, as sheriff somewhere, maybe in the county he was from.

Today, seeing Chief Deane still there, still representing what’s left of the good side of Prince William county, the side that I and my family know and love, gives me much joy. I am glad that the Chief did not allow himself to be intimidated and forced out by this sad bunch of political opportunists who have swept into the county and have made such a mess of the place. They’ll be gone before long, rest assured.

So this Washington Post piece gives us occasion to once again salute Chief Deane.

I am out of the county now, and as a matter of fact out of the country, so it is wonderful for me to get to see the video of Chief Deane, superb before that board of supervisors.

With their videos, Annabel & Eric are doing a tremendous service to PWC. I salute those two, as I do all of you here. I read you regularly. You represent PWC to me as it is today. The good side. Thank you all so much for being who you are, for looking for the truth, and thank you for keeping me informed!

Casual Observer,

I forgot to tell you what a nice tribute you paid to Chief Deane. No one could have paid the gentleman greater compliments than your comments.

I’m sick of being forced to live by the way of the Jungle. Two particular members of Help Save Herndon have gone out of their way to try and humiliate me in the courts and in Public as a way to muzzle me from protesting their sick outlook on humanity.

I even thought they were on the mend, but now I feel they are seeking a way to slam me with defamation, and try to steal my money in the courts.

I apologize Alanna for taking the spotlight off of chief Deane because some very shifty individuals are forcing me to defend my constitutional right to Free Speech. It would be easy for me to cave in and ask you to remove my comments so I don’t have to put up with a frivolous lawsuit, but I’m stronger than that now, HSH made me so!

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2409/hshdogpoll01pw3.jpg

Above is one of the photos from the election. Out of respect, I have blurred the face of the the particular HSH founder who is holding the animal. This was taken after he had apparently been told to move the dog from the front of the candidate line. The Animal was in control, but that was probably not so apparent to all the voters. We are bound by law not to carry firearms at polling places, but there is no law prohibiting these animals from being used to scare off minority voters. I will not claim as a fact that that was the intention of the HSM member having the dog, but the perception was a threat to me, and to others who will testify. I wish AS and PJ would come out of the shadows and explain their real motives instead of trying using threats of libel prosecution.
As I said, I hate having to back up every movement of my life with evidence, but HSH is always looking for the opportunity to ruin someone in court based on what they said on a blog or website or email. Character assassination in an attempt to cover up their own questionable deeds.

If AS or PJ is reading this, I would ask you to leave the issue alone… I have been very careful to back up my statements with evidence, both in Witness and Photographic in this particular case. Just remember, this whole issue would have been forgotten if you had not decided to play games with history redaction.

Censored bybvbl,

You said:

“As a side note, the response section of the WaPo article has not reached the four to ten pages of spew that immigration articles often generate with the “help save”/BVBL/assorted bigots crowd. At least not for now. They’ll have to gin up more emails or personnas. Hurry, hurry, dittoheads!”

I think the leader o’ the other blog said he was on vacation.

Chief Deane may be a decent man but I worry about the long term ramifications of a widespread acceptance that we the people should be so powerless as to depend upon the decency of a few appointed officials for the preservation of justice. If Deane should retire in a year and be replaced by a Sheriff Joe Arpaio hitlerite, what recourse would we have? None?

Certainly, the scenario I posited is exactly what people like Greg, Corey, DooDooCaster, et.al. are working behind the scenes to make into a reality. If not for Deane’s integrity, political astuteness, and well-earned standing in the community, they might have succeeded by now.

In fact, one could argue that Deane’s decency and restraint are actually helping to make these kinds of resolutions look palatable to other communities.

People like FAIR may be looking at our example and saying ‘Look, it can be done’.

I don’t think that is Chief Deane’s intention at all, but it may be an unhappy consequence nonetheless. I would have been much happier if, on July 11 or on October 16, in front of the BOCS and in full view of the community, Chief Deane had stood up and resigned in protest of the resolution.

Carroll Ave, WOW! Thank you for your historic perspective! It helps to hear more than one, especially for newcomers.

Mackie, if Chief Deane had resigned in July or October as you wish he had, how do you know who would have replaced him then and your fears could be playing out now instead of his restraint? If he resigned on one of those dates, I don’t think the BOCS would have just abandoned the Resolution. They did not possess the political courage then…or now.

Lucky Duck,

Are you or have you ever been a Police Officer? Your arguments and choice of words make me suspect this is the case.

If Deane had resigned, it would have sent a very strong signal and set a priceless and inspirational example of principle. It would have eviscerated Corey Stewart’s credibility. And the next police chief who came in accepting the resolution could have been identified as the yes man they would have been.

Mackie, the scenario you present probably wouldn’t have happened. I’m not sure the BOCS would have had the courage to stand up to HSM. That would have left us with a “yes man” and a weak board. The county would have had to fall much farther into disrepute and financial instability before anything happened to change course.

My point was the same one that Censored just made, that if he resigned there still was no way the BOCS would have still not passed the resolution. Then what would we have? A “yes” person for the position of chief of police. With Deane as chief, I think the community is much better off with him in office than out of office.

His resignation at that time would have been a bright flare and then it would be over, wasted because that resolution was going to pass no matter who did what.

Sorry Mackie, the internet is a wide open place and I share nothing of a personal nature.

I think Lucky is a cop, but he’s not telling

I got tired reading Rodger’s comments about a puppy. Is anyone off limits to this crap? Herndon is a dog town where we all treat our “puppies” as children and they do usually accompany us to the WO&D trail, Starbucks, or Home Depot.

Rodger should be ashamed to make up stories to fuel his anger. In our town we bring our animals to all events. In Herndon, puppies dont steal purses or make cat calls to our teenage daughters.

How many of you “haters” have children who have to face the onslaught of illegal aliens seeking work? Obviously Rodger cannot spend some time with his Herndon neighbors on Alabama and Elden to understand what is happening to our community. Rodger has ZERO understanding of Spanish culture. Us with Portugese o Spanish culture/backround had to ever stand on street corners seeking work like prostitutes. Who is Rodger speaking for?

I think Lucky Duck is either a doctor or an Indian chief. And he is a darn smart one and keeps us all informed.

Lucky Ducky,

Sorry Mackie, the internet is a wide open place and I share nothing of a personal nature.

Haha. Taking the fifth, huh.

Lucky Ducky knows his rights.

For the rest of you who believe the police are here to protect your rights, please watch the following priceless lectures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=related

It’s your freedom. Yours and yours alone.

Do you really think someone you’ve never met cares about preserving it just because they happen to have a piece of tin pinned to their chest called a badge?

Anon,

Dogs, especially large dogs, don’t belong at the polls. Do a little investigation into voter rights during the 50’s and 60’s to learn why. People can plead their innocence until the cows come home. It doesn’t fly with me.

Mackie, there is a movie coming out made just for you. Lake something or other. I immediately thought of you during the trailer. Now, the fact that I was at the first showing of a movie where at least half the audience probably left their tin foil hats at home, thought their government was out to get them and wondered if they were going to be abducted during the next week, and I thought of you,…..just kidding. It was the preview that made me think of you.

You are a lone voice crying in the wind. None of us agree with you about PWCPD. I know there are a few bad apples. There are in any profession. I believe our department does a better job than most about weeding them out also.

Notice the deafening silence?

Moon-howler,

You are a lone voice crying in the wind. None of us agree with you about PWCPD.

Haha. Pay attention excitable one. I’m not talking about PWCPD. I never have been. My uninformed impression is that they’re mostly all right…if perhaps a little unsophisticated…kinda like Barney Fife.

I have a problem with otherwise educated people desperately preaching that we should abandon our responsibility to resist injustice for the sake of security. I object with people seducing others into believing that pusillanimously obeying anyone who wears a badge or has a fanciful title like ‘democratic-candidate’ is an act of virtue.

Moon-Howler, you are doing your best to falsely portray me as a radical outsider. I may be passionate (and I am not ashamed to admit as much like most Americans who view emotion as a form of weakness) but I am not a radical outsider.

Notice the deafening silence?

There is nothing virtuous in abandoning one’s own Constitution.

Moon-Howler,

Where have you been these past few years?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksFHh17xEb8

What have you seen?

It’s up to us.

Anon, 24. July 2008, 23:10

“Rodger has ZERO understanding of Spanish culture. Us with Portugese o Spanish culture/backround had to ever stand on street corners seeking work like prostitutes. Who is Rodger speaking for?”
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“That comment makes no sense on many levels. For one thing if the Spanish and Portuguese had stood on street corners looking for work forever, then they would have never discovered America, created colonies throughout Florida, Texas, California and all of South America.

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“I got tired reading Rodger’s comments about a puppy. Is anyone off limits to this crap? Herndon is a dog town where we all treat our “puppies” as children and they do usually accompany us to the WO&D trail, Starbucks, or Home Depot.

“Rodger should be ashamed to make up stories to fuel his anger. In our town we bring our animals to all events. In Herndon, puppies dont steal purses or make cat calls to our teenage daughters.”

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Well I posted one of the photos above of A.S. with the dog, the people here can make a decision whether a large dog at a town election, being handled in what I and others consider is an unsafe and provocative manner is appropriate. I may write a letter to the council now asking a provision be made that all pets should be banned from polling places.

And though is awkwardly written, I hope you are not implying that Dogs are more well behaved that the Immigrant population in Herndon, somehow I don’t believe a person who knows me enough to spell my name right would make such a dehumanized statement.
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“How many of you “haters” have children who have to face the onslaught of illegal aliens seeking work? Obviously Rodger cannot spend some time with his Herndon neighbors on Alabama and Elden to understand what is happening to our community.”

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I spend plenty of time of time in Herndon, 24 years in fact and I have many friends who live or have lived on Alabama. At the 7-11 there are throngs of Day Laborers standing around looking for work. The town council was begged to do something about them, so the worker center was created, and the Day Laborers disappeared from 7-11, now they are back on the streets, but should explain why they worked a campaign to destroy the center from the beginning.

Anyway, I’m pretty sure I’ve managed to bring some HSH posters to our board now, so lets see how they give their perspective on what is really going down in Herndon, but the mixed race teenage couples speaks in pretty big volumes, that Herndon is about Embracing Diversity and lowering crime by working together as a community aside from the handful of individuals who believe the Hispanics are lower than dogs.

Thanks Moon-Howler, although I am not of Indian blood, Irish all the way. The doctor part would have made my mom proud if it were true.

Mackie, If you remember correctly on Tuesday on a different thread, I inquired of some answers from you (nothing personal like yours to me) yet you failed to answer even one of them – so who took the 5th first buddy? Three days, no answers…like MH said, the silence IS deafening

Anti is becoming the “big dog” blog attracting OTHERS. People love to attack sucessful and solid groups frantically chipping away. Congrats to Alanna & Elena on your sucess.

Rod we’ve got your back and prepared for the invasion

Mackie(who really likes PWCPD) you still make me think but glad to hear you like our PD.

Mackie,

Moon-Howler, you are doing your best to falsely portray me as a radical outsider. I may be passionate (and I am not ashamed to admit as much like most Americans who view emotion as a form of weakness) but I am not a radical outsider.

Actually you don’t need my help. You are doing a fine job of portraying yourself as a radical outsider. While the rest of us have been busy supporting our local police for weeks, you have been bashing them. If you didn’t mean to include PWCPD, then you should have made that abundantly clear, especially in light of the politics going down.

The irony of sending me “Hard Rain is Going to Fall” made me smile. As to where have I been the past few years, out, as the expression goes, ‘where the rubber meets the road.’ Having been there, I come away very much a moderate, capable of seeing both sides of most questions.

Mackie, actually I am not your enemy. I like what you say on many topics, just not this one (or a certain past president). I am surprised you saw me as your nemesis. I think it is fair to say I am just not a follower.

Lucky Duck,

Actually I had meant to say doctor, lawyer and an Indian chief, but it was very late when I posted. I am sure your mother is proud of you regardless of what your profession really is. You are kind, both informed and informative, and appear to have the patience of Job. Those are rare qualities these days.

Lucky Duck,

Mackie, If you remember correctly on Tuesday on a different thread, I inquired of some answers from you (nothing personal like yours to me) yet you failed to answer even one of them

I think I must have missed your post Lucky. You can repost the questions if you’d like.

Moon-howler and Rodger are obviously self absorbed with Latique style logic . Frankly arguing with Latique look-a-likes is a waste of time. You should be ashamed making up stories to fit your agenda and stop attacking a defenseless puppy. Rodger’s goofy allegations are the biggest stretch and you really need to slow down and perhaps talk to a professional. Why didn’t you post pictures of at least the 5 other dogs’ owners? And where on earth does someone “borrow” a dog?

The Recreation Center is at Bready Park. Moon-howler’s assertion that “Dogs, especially large dogs, don’t belong at the polls” is as goofy as Rodger’s allegation.

“goofy” Hmmm….a favorite word from the dark side.

Rod,
I agree with you. Anon, we are not tired of reading what Rod thinks about the “dog” incident.

Moon-howler,

You are doing a fine job of portraying yourself as a radical outsider.

Yes, you’re right. I must conform.

I sent the video link because some of the things you said reminded of things they used to say to marginalize the Vietnam war protesters. I just saw that movie, Born on the Fourth of July, again about 2 days ago. It’s like deja vu with what we’re currently doing.

Censoredbybvbl-
Got that “darkside dictionary” handy? I noticed the same thing.

Great movie, Mackie. Oliver Stone, like many of his generation, doesn’t say things. He bashes people over the head with his ideas, and continues to do so even after you admit he has sold you on the idea. Nothing subtle about that guy.

Actually, even though I think it is a terrific film, it depresses me horribly. But then again, look at what you know about me and I am sure that makes perfect sense to you.

The Dylan music was fun. In the true spirit of things: http://youtube.com/watch?v=lCfiOheT07w

Mackie, one more thing, I don’t think you should necessarily conform. How about chosing a different thread to trumpet your cause. Truthfully, many people here have gone to bat for PWCPD. You are making me feel like for every 2 feet I get up the hill, I am sliding back one.

You are smart enough and well-educated enough to understand exactly what I am saying without me hitting you over the head with it. Do a little research on an ex-state cop named Buck Carter. Then lets talk about it on another thread, but not one that is a tribute to Chief Deane.

Rodger, you can continue to mischaracterize all you want to, but when you resort to outright lies I have to speak up.
You are seriously hurting your credibility when you resort to childish statements and outright fabrications.

The lies that you have spouted were intended to attack my integrity. You have taken an innocent situation and mischaracterized it, lied about it, and only to further your own inteests. Now you want to play the martyr.
You were the one who started speaking of libel. If you feel that what you have done approaches libel, then I suggest you consult with an attorney.

You have told people on this blog that I had a dog at the polling place in order to dissuade minorities from voting. Untrue. You fail to mention how many people of every walk of life came up to talk to me and pet the dog.

You told people I was at the main entrance of the polling place with the dog. Untrue. Your own picture corroborates that. I was at least 40 feet away from the entrance. You can plainly see that I am standing at at tent, at the side of the building.

You have told people on this blog that I “rented” the dog and do not own the dog.
I really don’t see how anyone with any integrity whatsoever could fabricate something like that. You walk by my house at least twice a week, and you see me outside with the dog!!!!!!!!

You were instructed not to have any contact with me for one year, at the end of the trial when you received your deferral. You upheld your probation, so the charges were dismissed. I’m beginning to miss that year.

Jorge Pollo, it’s just that “goofy” is such a goofy word…sounds like something from my mother’s generation and she’s in her eighties. I don’t think many people use it anymore.

If embarisingly anonymous “ghouls” from Herndon are going to dwell on drudging up a single comment I made on a nearily fourth month old buried thread, then we might as well open the Blog Graveyard doors and resurect the previously dead story to clairify some things… about…THE DOG OF DOOM!!!!!

http://www.antibvbl.net/index.php/2008/05/06/election-results/#comments

Seriously, I think HSH is mostly angry because A.S. and P.J. were indeed there with a large dog, but they were “Off Duty” as HSH officials, and they object the HSH would be protrait on an obscure posting as officially condoning this type of activity.

Yes it’s true, other people had dogs there, I even mentioned later in the old thread, BUT the particular persons, with a particular “Social Agenda” had a particularly large dog, at a particularly controversial election and to me that raises a red flag, call me paranoid or what you will, but I think we all can agree that Pets have no place around polling places.

ANON, around here “Perception is Reality” can be a double edged sword. You percieve all Illegal Immigrants to be genetically disposed to be criminals because of your perception of how they look and act, yet when you look and act suspiciously youself, you get angry when we draw conclusions.

When you go on the Media as Phil and Aub did on Lou Dobbs, and you state your position, unless you publically recant, you are marked, and there is never a time when you can go “Off Duty”. If you wanted a private life, if you wanted respect, then you should have stayed away from the media circus. NOW you want to change the perception of HSH, you want to lagitimize. Attempting to hide the past will not help you, it will only hurt you, but if you come foward here out of the shadows and say your mission has changed to uniting Herndon as opposed to marginalizing people in it, then you persue that cause, your actions will erase the past.

My firends here can testify that I made an effort to make sure that HSM and HSH were not grouped into the same catagory, but then you pull this stunt, and in your efforts to erase the past, you have only brought it more into memory.

I would advise you to drop this issue, we are all smart people here, we can make our own judgements as to what really was going down during the 2008 elections. If you continue to try and poison the blog or change the history, you will only drudge up more and more forgotten crap from the Sewer, and believe me, I’ve held back some of the most disgusting things HSH was overtly and inadvertly involved in during the days of ignorance.

I would encourage you to drop the past, but to join us in the discussion. People here may very well want to know the ways HSH works in the community and what their simularitys and diffrences are to HSM.

Lets stop bickering and talk!

Anon, 25. July 2008, 9:25

Give me one good reason to take a great dane to the polls. I wasn’t there, didn’t see it but there are a lot of folks around who sound like you and I can just see you in my mind’s eye, strutting around with some large dog.

Actually there was a cartoon floating around the blogs several months ago…hmmmm….it was incredibly tasteless about dog food. I just wonder if this was the same concept. As they say, perception is reality, now isn’t it?

I have made up no stories about you. You apparently mistake me for someone who knows you. I do not. My comments were generic.

Rod, actually I am not even clear what your ’sins’ are supposed to be. It just all sounds like a person on a mission. Why does this not surprise me?

Moon-howler,

“Give me one good reason to take a great dane to the polls” …. Its called walking your dog (Dane) at the park and there is no restrictions to walk your dog as long it is on a leash. The dog is dearly loved by many of Herndon’s residents and many folks enjoy his affection. Herndon is well known for their love of dogs. Abusing a dog to make a political statement is the silliest stunt I have ever seen. You can’t be that angry can you?

Folks in Herndon do not want illegal aliens seeking work on town sidewalks, storefronts, or parking lots. It is a quality of life issue. I did not see Rodger’s excitement when weapon wielding anarchists tried to intimidate old ladies at the “Official” Worker Center.

I’ve never seen a dog at my polling place. Many people are afraid of dogs (which may be the point). My mother’s best friend and her six children were…scared to the point that the friend ,with much angst, bought a beagle to try to get the kids over their fear. I don’t think a single one of those children as adults owns a dog. I never felt uneasy around dogs until I had to separate my border collie from a doberman that someone allowed loose. My dog was on our property. I see absolutely no reason for a dog to be at the polls. Vote, go home, get your dog, and then go for a walk.

I’ve told a few people face to face, so i have no problem.

In the summer of 2005 when we were having the hotest of the debates about whether or not to establish an Official Herndon Worker center, Help Save Herndon had put in invitation ticker on their website asking if people would attend the rally and support their cause. You could also leave a brief comment which was my undoing.

I was not really used to how hate bunnies worked and there were some really racist comments being posted, so I clicked “Yes”, made up a name called “Sic Semper Tyranis” and said I would attend and left a fairly nasty comment about HSH and their friends being nothing but “Carpetbaggers” and outsiders, then I added one fatal line…

“Virginia: sending carpetbaggers packing in under six minutes…
…or packing carpetbaggers six feet under”

The next morning I woke up and opened up the HSH website and learned why people say their Blood literally runs cold when shocked. There was a huge banner on the website saying that HSH had recieved a direct death threat and that the FBI and local athuroties had been notified. My comment was quoted under it. After some thought, I called the Herndon Police and turned myself in. They had not even been notified yet, but they sent an officer over to my house. I showed the officer what i wrote and told him, I was angry and did not mean to threaten anyone. He was not sure what exactly to book me under, but put me under general arrest, no cuffs or anything, he did not even take me in, he said they would call me later.

I called my parents next and told them what I did, and my father suggested i should post an appology if I could. the ticker was still up, so I posted an appology and saw that it went thru and got posted, but shortly after that the ticker disappeared.

Eventually a Fairfax county police officer contacted me and I told him my story. I asked if he would convey my appologies to the people named in the comment, which he attempted to do, but they told him they wanted to press charges. So I got a lawyer and we went to court.

After the hearing the judge siad he suspected I had the intent to threaten HSH, but I did not have any intent to cause harm, so the sentence was dropped and I had to not contact any HSH members or other named parties in anyway for one year. (that expired without incident in 2006 so I have no conviction)

They could not issue a restraining order because HSH would not provide a list of their membership. Many of their members went to chat groups under Anynomous indetitys to spread their hateful rhetoric, only betraying their true selves with slips in information so I was able to get back on the town chatboard and hold discussions with people who may have been HSH members, but due to their hidden identy, there was no way to say I breached my judicial agreement without them comming foward.

After the trial, someone with an AP ticker liscense posted an inacurate blurb about my trial on a blog feed wire, so when I type my real name into google, even today I still find the blurb popping up on many sites. There was also a brief article in the Herndon Times, but the reporters never bothered to contact me for my side of the story.

I admit that I was a little foolhardy in what I wrote, but HSH milked the event to the utmost so they could ruin my reputition in my home town, I was one of the most vocal critiques agaisnt them and thae worked very hard to silence me. Even now they are trying to manipulate the truth to try and marginalize and humiliate me here, but I have one thing going for me, I’m honest. No doubt you will soon see some fireworks after this post but as G-d is my witness, I testify that I have told you the truth.

Beware of HSH and HSM, for if they can, they will try to ruin your life.

I did not see Rodger’s excitement when weapon wielding anarchists tried to intimidate old ladies at the “Official” Worker Center.
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And they like to lay some lies on pretty thick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aubrey Stokes,

I saw Rod’s picture of the dog. That dog is a lethal weapon.

If I had a child and I was bringing him/her to the polls, I would never want to see a massive dog like that around…and certainly not when I know it’s handler is a devoted member of nativist organization like HSH.

It is hard enough getting people to come out and vote Aubrey. Responsible citizens try to encourage participation in the democratic process. Responsible citizens do not bring to the polling sites, massive lethal animals that could potentially slip free and maul any one of us.

It’s impossible for anyone to know how well trained that massive lethal animal was. Under those circumstances and until one knows otherwise, it is safest to assume that the lethal animal had no training. And no matter how well trained this lethal animal may be, it is still an animal, with a mind of its own, and with primitive instincts.

Considering the fact that firearms are not permitted at polling places, peaceful voters would have nothing to defend themselves with should this lethal animal decide to attack them.

All of these fears are coursing through the minds of reasonable people when they are confronted by such a massive lethal animal.

You know this.

Censored bybvbl

Well precisely. Here in Herndon we do things a little differently and dogs are even invited to the local bakery. Slow down and read the posts. The dog is in the park where the recreation center is located along the WO&D trail.

Using your advice, Rodger should have voted, gone home and not returned since he was so bothered by a dog. He should have called the police (who were there) and levy his accusations. My guess is that they would have asked him to leave since he was stalking people with his camera and creating conspiracy theories.

Anon,

My guess is that they would have asked him to leave since he was stalking people with his camera

Evil fears the light of publicity huh?

Our very own Delegate Bob Marshall likes to show up at our precinct with his camera and its huge telescopic lens. First time I noticed it was Presidential Election Day, 2004. We had been warned at a Democratic precinct meeting just before the election that Republicans were planning to show up at the polls with cameras, ostensibly to intimidate voters (remember, there were many reports of voter intimidation across the country that year). Still, I was shocked to see Marshall show up wearing a camera around his neck. He hung around for a bit, walking up and down the line (which was long) of voters waiting to enter the polling place. My blood boiled the entire time, but what he did was legal. Was it ethical? Not in my book.

I have little tolerance for anybody who attempts to intimidate voters, because the intent is to keep them from voting at all.

Great Danes on short leashes…elected officials carrying cameras w/ telescopic lenses…there’s not place for them at the polls, IMHO.

It amazes me that there are strict rules about where one is allowed to hand out campaign literature outside a polling place (ie., you have to be so many feet away from the entrance — and Marshall made sure our Dem booth was set up the required distance away), yet dogs and cameras are fine.

Don’t even get me started on the woman from the PWC Republican Party who was working INSIDE the polling precinct, constantly checking the voter rolls (and phoning in who had voted) into party headquarters, and the hovering behind the precinct volunteers every single time they readied a voting machine for the next voter in line. Obnoxious doesn’t even begin to describe her behavior. Again, she had a legal right to do what she was doing, but clearly she was trying to rattle the precinct workers who, and I want to emphasize this, were volunteers.

Obviously, this is an issue for me.

Mackie’s right, someone sees a dog that big and who knows what it would do. I have a dog, I like my dog better than some people I know and he’s small, very kid friendly and gentle. But I still take caution when he’s around non family members because, well, you just never know.

A dog has no place at a polling place.

Your opinion and that is what it is…..an opinion. More folks found him less threating than a crazy guy chasing people with cameras and making up stories. Fact is no one cares about the opinion of a few far left nuts who make up stories to fit their agenda.

You cannot regulate from behind your keyboard. The polls had rules and none were broken. Get over it already ~

Herndon is a dog town where we all treat our “puppies” as children and they do usually accompany us to the WO&D trail, Starbucks, or Home Depot.

–and–

The dog is dearly loved by many of Herndon’s residents and many folks enjoy his affection. Herndon is well known for their love of dogs.

–and–

Here in Herndon we do things a little differently and dogs are even invited to the local bakery.

Anyone else find these quotes amusing? Just wondering if this Herndon Dog Love been codified in any city proclamations. I don’t think I’d care to encounter anyone’s dog at Starbucks or my local bakery, but maybe that’s just me. It doesn’t surprise me to see dogs at PetSmart, but Home Depot?? Why the heck would you bring your dog to Home Depot? And don’t they ever try to chase the birds that fly around inside?

If my kid, who was bitten by a neighbor’s dog when she was very young, encountered a freaking Great Dane inside the local bakery, well, one of them would have to leave — and it wouldn’t be my kid!

And still Rodger. You don’t own up to your lies.

Maybe you should take my advice about that attorney.

They could not issue a restraining order because HSH would not provide a list of their membership. Many of their members went to chat groups under Anynomous indetitys to spread their hateful rhetoric, only betraying their true selves with slips in information so I was able to get back on the town chatboard and hold discussions with people who may have been HSH members, but due to their hidden identy, there was no way to say I breached my judicial agreement without them comming foward.

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So, in effect, you did violate the judges order.
You knew (your words) who you were interacting with on the chat groups during the year the jusdge told you to have no contact.
Interesting.
Integrity ftw
/sarcasm

aubrey stokes,

Considering the fact that you advocate bringing massive lethal animals to confront peaceful law-abiding voters, your hypocrisy is truly staggering.

The fact that you would try to bring charges over Rod’s use of metaphor is truly alarming and an abuse of our justice system. Real Americans believe in free speech as protected in the first amendment. Are you a Real American?

Anon, I read the post. Dogs belong at parks (usually, and on leash) and if the Health Department allows and the bakery has no objections, I guess you could bring your dog there. But not to the polls. Nothing should be done to intimidate legitimate voters from voting. If you don’t see this tactic of bringing a large dog to the polls as intimidating and reminiscent of the Civil Rights era, you’re more ignorant – or arrogant -than an adult should be.

Mackie…..”your hypocrisy is truly staggering” I think you need to stand in front of a mirror.

” massive lethal animals ” that would be you…..

Anon,
Don’t call people names. You know that dogs are not “babies”. They are animals and some people fear them. Given the context of the event I don’t think it is appropriate. Are you there as a responsible citizen or to walk the “PET” (not a kid, not a person, just an animal)?

Free speech. Since Mackie made an unfair characterization calling a puppy “lethal” well it seems only fair. Since when could Mackie make that observation?

I’ll pass your advice to Mackie….

Incidentally, the dog that bit my daughter was still a puppy. It was his second bite on public record, and he was euthanized.

Puppies are still dogs.

So what….

“So, in effect, you did violate the judges order.
You knew (your words) who you were interacting with on the chat groups during the year the jusdge told you to have no contact.”

No, I had my suspusion, but I could never be 100% certian, so I continued to engage nameless and faceless people online, I was not mandated to talk to no one.

And as to the voting incedent I told what I saw with my own eyes and suspected based on evidence, I did not flat out fabricate anything. I did consult some people at the scene who were also concerned, but seeing as how no one was technically being denied their right to vote, that they could get past your Animal, we decided to not notify the police. Basically Aubrey, I don’t like you, I know you have disturbed conceptions about how law and order should be handled, you posted plenty in the Herndon Observer. I don’t trust your character so I suspected, and now continue to suspect that you did go to the poll with the intent to intimidate voters as you are attempting to intimidate me now. I have not tried to soil your character because your character is already soiled by your involvement with the anti-immigration debate. Your are a public figure and cannot expect to be shielded from descent.

Break Down— I precieved you to be attempting to intimidate voters by use of a leashed lethal Animal, but as you were failing in the act, I did not feel in nessicary to report to the police, though I consulted Daryl Smith on the matter. I then decided to report what I saw on this blog. As many others report what they see happening on the RestonWeb and others on BVBL. You are an oppertunist who is trying everything to ruin my image. Did I ever write a letter about it to the editor of the Herndon Observer, Did I go to Fox5? NO, I went to a blog where I had friends and told them my thoughts on the matter. Now you are saying that I had a plot to souly come here is use the Blog to defame you in Public?!?! How many people even read antibvbl in Herndon?

Your actions that day were questionable and I have witnessess that will testify to that in court I have photographic evidence, if you feel you want to spend the time and the money to challenge my observation posted on a local interest privatly run blog in a court of law that is your right, I will say no more on the matter and will await your summons with my attourney. I advise you to be reasonable and let the issue drop, but I will stand by my constitutional right to free speech.

Anon,

I know you are but what am I
I know you are but what am I
I know you are but what am I

Aubrey,
I saw the dog on election day and it’s the biggest dog I’d ever seen. I love dogs, but I was truly frightened of it. I know that I’m not the only one because I was part of a small group of people chatting in the parking lot after we cast our votes talking about the scary dog and how inappropriate its presence was. I also noticed that the poor dog looked agitated. I don’t really know you or Rodger, but I really think you need to stop defending your actions in regard to this dog.

let’s not go there Mackie…..

As for Rodger Perry it seems clear you continue to make this personal issue. Maybe when you buy property in the town (or anywhere else) you will see the effect that illegal aliens have on your investment both directly and indirectly. Your perception is way off and I suspect many others would agree. Well maybe not on this site

Even the Fairfax County School Superintendent and COO Susan Quinn pointed the finger at illegal aliens for the sudden student increase of 2,500. This increased cost is in the tens of millions to FFX Co. tax payers. Sanctuary policies by Gerry Connolly will drive FFX to look like PWC. He now is troubled because his own administration has tarred him with this issue while asking the Superintendent to cut costs to cover his hundreds of million in deficits.

Anon asked:

So what….

apparently in response to the puppy that was euthanized after biting my daughter.
Is that the best you can do, because that’s pretty lame. No, really lame.

Rod, you have my sympathies for having to put up with such nonsense.

Anon, Rod2155 is not a public figure and I doubt you have permission to post his name. I’d suggest you ask the Admin. to delete it. It was a cowardly thing to do – as though you left much doubt of your character.

Censored…it’s clear through the posts here that Anon is all about intimidation — at the voting booth, in the courts, and on the internet. How ironic that Anon has no qualms publishing Rod’s name, yet dons the cloak of Anonymity.

Anon,

I think you have had your say. As you can see, not one reader here has given you support for having a huge dog at a polling place. We call can guess why you did it regardless of the excuses you give for your actions.

Rod has contributed here for many months and quite frankly, after hearing both ’sides’ I am going to listen to him a lot more intently now. What a bunch of wimps you all must be! You took up court time over something like that! Man up and get over it.

You called called around to get to rod. We know who you called. I believe you are harrassing him and are now attempting to intimidate him. Rod, I have your back. I am sure I am not the only one here who feels that way.

Yet the owners of this blog have no qualms about posting the IP address of someone they disagree with.

Anon,

You do know the history of the of this case. Like you, the poster had intimidated several members here and had posted comments about exterminating members of HSM. That should be close enough for you. Things go on behind the scenes that the average reader, such as yourself, are not privy to.

You wanted at Rod so badly that you called a poster on this blog on her home phone. Does that not strike everyone as odd? Man with a purpose?

You might want to rethink your behavior. It is not acceptable here. If you don’t like how things are run here, then perhaps you need to go to other blogs.

Anon,
Not because of any disagreement. First this person posted about ‘exterminating members of HSM’, then came on with some VIVA LA RAZA non-sense. The person isn’t someone even interested in having a discussion, whoever they are, they are just a trouble maker.

Guess Moon-howler got to it first. Oh well.

I will interject this once to make one retraction. I honestly did not know that Aubrey Stokes lived at the property where the dog was kept.

Aubrey Stokes is indeed the owner of the Great Dane, I was mistaken, he did not rent or borrow the animal.

If you click on the link under rod2155 it takes you to his web page where his full name is right on that main page. That is a lot different than what you did. You’ve identified where this person lives and his IP address.

Anon,

When are you going to feel that you have sufficiently bullied Rod enough? Do you think your behavior is good publicity for the Minutemen?

I am speechless at your audacity. You have not commented about calling a blogger at home simply because she has her own blog. And just where did you find out her name? Oh let me just take a wild black velvet guess here….

I find it disturbing that you would call a stranger to get to Rod. Perhaps that is the way they do things over in Herndon but here in Prince William County most of us have a little more couth.

I thank everyone for their support, due to legal reasons I will now refrain from talking anymore about this particular election incident.

Going back in my mind, I got off on the wrong foot with Philip Jones from the very beginning…I remember the first hearing I ever attended in my life at the Town Council Chambers. I can’t recall for certain, but I believe it was in the spring. It was a hearing on the proposal for the Day Labor Site. I had seen some propaganda around town for a new group called Help Save Herndon calling for an end of tax dollars supporting Illegal Immigration. At that time I was new to the issue and pretty much a rebel, I believed that their should be no borders at all (A view of which I no longer hold).

Anyway I was angry at the group picking on the poor immigrants so I showed up at the hearing and I noticed this guy with a basket offering everyone in the audience a White Star badge which said something like “No illegal labor” or “No 2 Daylabor” in the middle. Kinda like a paper sherrif’s badge. Anyway the guy came up to me and asked if I wanted one, I told him… “No, but I can tell you where you can stick it!” he kinda chuckled and walked away, but I could tell I pissed him off.

That man was Phillip Jones, one of the founders of Help Save Herndon (I had no idea at the time, but I doubt I would have cared).

Before the Red Circle came, there was the White Star. All sorts of people coming to the microphone with white stars, talking about how the community was going down the tubes because of the Illegals, siting crimes that had been committed against them, claiming the Hispanics were harassing their daughters. Angry e-mails, letters to the editor and an One Woman multi blog campaign had all started up at once, condemning the council for allowing the Day Labor Center to be built, when the year before they were complaining to the council about their non action in removing the day laborers from the street.

I came to this blog in order to give testimony to my personal experiences with the Anti-Illegal Immigration fights in Herndon, so that you can see that HSM is following a guide book, and is using some of the tactics that HSH and their national allies used to create an atmosphere of division and hatred in our town.

–BUT–

I have also come to bring good news that the Nativist plan is backfiring. Herndon is too culturally diverse for HSH to achieve much in a way of a Social Control agenda. Even Aubrey has a letter in the paper today saying that he is seeing trespassers on his property again and some one is stealing from his garden. Yet in past letters he said the Day Labor Site would generate this sort of behavior, and after the site was closed and his choice of people elected to the town council (Twice in most cases) he said this council was responsible for the new clean look of Herndon…so something is not working. We have 287g, and now I see that it may change it’s practice on the ICE level.

We need to put the personal vendettas aside and all of turn our efforts on forcing our federal government to give us comprehensive immigration reform! NOW! we cannot afford it on a local level, so we have got to compromise. In the mean time, it is the peak of summer here, though the weather is nice today, it will grow hot again, and their are out of work men on the streets. We have got to keep them busy and in control or there will be hell to pay. Starving and berating desperate hungry people will lead to race riots and nothing lowers housing values faster than a community having race riots in the summer. I’m doing my part by trying to help out poor families, legal, illegal and alleged illegal by working with a private charity organization. I had been trying to spend less time here, until someone decided to track me down out of the blue and intimidate me.

I’m no longer going to let them be a distraction to my work, so if you see less of me on here, it’s not because I’ve been scared away, it’s because I’m about my Father’s business. I thank all my supporters for their thoughts and courage, don’t ever let the haters get to you, there is no gutter they will not crawl through to bring you down, but ultimately if you remain true to the cause of Humanity, the haters will never prevail

This machine surrounds hate and forces it to surrender! We Shall Overcome Today!

-Rodger Perry

Rod, I hope you will remain a regular contributor. You make me think. Keep up the good work, whether it takes you. (which it had better take you here daily) I also hope you can make it in to Manassas tonight. We all enjoyed meeting you.

Just so we know who we are dealing with: No Aubrey I am not outting you. This is right off your own website.

http://www.forthecause.us/ftc-n-muller-060503-HerndonElectionResults.shtml

To see Aubrey’s 30 seconds of fame on Lou Dobbs:

http://www.forthecause.us/media/ftc-video-CNN-HerndonElections_060503.wmv

That is a lot different than what you did. You’ve identified where this person lives and his IP address.

Anon, if you’re talking about the poster whose IP was shown a couple days ago, BWAHAHA!!!! That guy lives in proxyland.

Checked that IP address – it is a popular proxy. For all you know it may not be one person using it, so you could be claiming one person using it when it is several since you listed several different handles. BWAHAHA yourself!

Rodger,
You finally admitted who the dog belongs too. Good man. There’s one lie taken care of.
But, you did so by lying yet again.
Every time you have walked by my house and I have been out there with the dog, you have pointedly stared over. Are we actually to believe that you did not know I lived there? Wasn’t the dog just a little bit of a clue?
You still have another couple of lies to clear up.
But thank you for taking that first step.
For the rest of you, this was never about a dog. It is about integrity.
Rodger has shown that he does have some by owning up to at least one fabrication.
There may be some hope left.

About that old Amish shunning….it is time.

Bye Anon, Aubrey, Troll or whoever you are.
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Apparently some of the newcomers to the county under-estimated how beloved Chief Deane really is with those of us who have lived in the County for a long time. He truly is the consummate professional. Picking on Chief Deane is tantamount to fighting words.

I am pleased to see you on this blog, Mr. Stokes. That means you won’t have to call me anymore and talk to me when I’ve just woken up from a nap

Rod, I think you are a good person. I don’t care what your legal issues are because they are none of my business. Those are between you and Mr. Stokes.

“Don’t even get me started on the woman from the PWC Republican Party who was working INSIDE the polling precinct, constantly checking the voter rolls (and phoning in who had voted) into party headquarters, and the hovering behind the precinct volunteers every single time they readied a voting machine for the next voter in line. Obnoxious doesn’t even begin to describe her behavior.”

Unacceptable behavior. She should not be allowed back at the polls. It’s that simple.

I don’t care who shows up with a camera so long as my pic doesn’t end up in places like BVBL.

I care about cameras at the polls. I believe it is a violation of privacy and in the past cameras (and dogs) were used as a form of voter intimidation. It is one thing to keep a camera on your person in the event of an emergency. It is another thing to take the picture of those going to and from the polls.

I would have to ask, why does anyone want a picture of someone else. Was that person bothering you? Were they bothering someone else? Were they commiting an obvious crime? If not, then no one needs their picture.

Yes, it is probably perfectly legal, but…..

Kgotthardt,

You are not the first person I have heard mention this woman at the polls. Which precinct? Has someone filed a complaint? That sounds like an election board issue to me. Do we now need DOJ at our polls here in PWC?

Unacceptable behavior. She should not be allowed back at the polls. It’s that simple.

Unfortunately, kg, she’s allowed to do that. She’s not allowed to stand behind people person casting their votes (we have the electronic machines, so no more curtain — you’re out there in full view of everyone), and she doesn’t, but the SECOND the voter walks away, she’s right there checking up on the precinct volunteer. And she’s right there whenever the volunteers are checking a machine (I believe they pull totals from each machine after so many voters, or some kind of calibration). It’s very obnoxious behavior, and I’ve never seen another representative from either party do it. More annoying, though, is when grabs the voter rolls to see who’s voted and who hasn’t. She’ll get our her cellphone and call into party headquarters — presumably so they can do their GOTV calls, and gauge turnout for each party.

I’ll reiterate that none of this is illegal — but it’s sure as hell is obnoxious and irritating.

She did break one rule though, and I called her on it. No campaign literature is allowed to be distributed inside the polling place, including those “sample ballots” that party volunteers distribute to people waiting outside. Seems she had been “collecting” Republican ballots that voters left behind and putting them on a table next to the registration tables. The line inside was very long, and snaked passed the table, which meant that every voter was seeing this literature before they voted. Now I’m sure by that point people knew knew how they were going to vote (btw…I think those sample ballots are a waste of time and money and I hate handing them out ), but given that she’s such a stickler for rules, I happily pointed out the violation to the precinct captain, who quickly apologized, tossed the ballots and took down the table. Score one point for democracy.

MH– I believe kg was referencing my post. As far as I know, it doesn’t look like anyone else has mentioned this woman, and kg and I are in different magisterial districts. There’s really no point in pointing her out to the BoE, because her behavior is technically in compliance with the rules. Also, the same Dem party volunteers tend to show up at our precinct for every election, we all know who she is and we keep an eye on her. Hey….maybe one of us should show up with our cameras and get photos of her in action!! JUST KIDDING!!!

Take your Great Dane also. GRRRRRRRRR Make that woman mind.

Actually I heard about some woman from someone not on a blog. It sounds like the same one. Maybe she needs a Democratic shadow. I wonder who they would like that? Not just a shadow but a monkey see monkey do type shadow.

MH…maybe it is the same woman. I live in mid-county, if that’s any help. Marty is my supervisor.

You are very fortunate. I wish he were my supervisor. Do you suppose annexation is possible?

I will check with the person next time I see them as to polling place.