OK, I won’t post a video but as I watched this I could NOT help but to hear a song playing in the back of my head Mr. Roboto from STYK ( both speakers and watching the faces of the BOCS)
Elena, 20. May 2008, 23:53
Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don΄t mean to do harm but the harm does not interest them.
T.S. Eliot
It’s interesting to me, I think what we are seeing here is a classic case of narcissism. He is so self bloated with his importance, that he now believes it is up to him, as the “leader” of HSM to do the job that government “refuses” to do in order to clean up day laborer sites. Does he believe he is so much more qualified to fulfill the job that others are elected or paid to do? Does he “exaggerate achievements and talents, demand to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements? ” Is he more qualified than the police, if so, what are those qualification? Since the politicians are not doing his bidding he ” Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations.”
It seems to me what is upsetting Greg is that he no longer has the limelight. Who is he ,if does not have the power of influencing public policy? As Corey’s power has clearly diminished, is Greg looking elsewhere to fullfill his need of control? Does he see the day laborers as a weak target?
I find his nod at the end of the video especially interesting. Does he believe he is making direct contact with Supervisors?
WhyHereWhyNow, 21. May 2008, 0:12
Mr. Roboto? I was hearing the swishy swishy music from the Friday the 13th movies. Is Gospel Greg ever going to get a job??? Or is he going to remain a professional laughing stock forever?
Obviously, he was pissed off that Corey Stewart raised his hopes last night boasting he had 7 votes to push through yet ANOTHER Immigration Resolution today. Oops, well make that 2 votes, never mind.
So what does Gospel Greg do? He stands there and threatens the Board, again (yawn). When do we get to see the Duecaster Disaster’s Citizens’ Time? Pitchforks and shovels anyone?
And did you watch it to the end? If you didn’t, please watch it to the end. Gospel Greg hangs around and glares at Corey Stewart for another three minutes before stealing into that greenish white oblivion. Creepy!
I couldn’t help feeling sorry for Corey Stewart when I watched this part…yes, yes, old habits die hard. But c’mon, that threat was directed at Corey. An angry mob led by Disaster Duecaster and Gospel Greg would be a nationally televised embarrassment for Stewart, worse than anything that has befallen him so far. Gospel Greg was basically saying, “Either you give me my new Immigration Law, or we call in the mob.”
What on earth was going through the Chairman’s mind during those three minutes Gospel Greg was glaring at him????
Corey, if you’re reading this, pleasssssse, it’s time to cut the puppet strings. For your sake as well as ours (not to mention anyone who “looks” illegal to Gospel Greg), SHOW SOME LEADERSHIP and stand up to this clown!
Red Dawn, 21. May 2008, 0:16
“Mr. Roboto? I was hearing the swishy swishy music from the Friday the 13th movies. ”
Swichy, swichy? Ch ch ch ch cha ha ha ha…jason jason jason…..
So you think you can dance?
LOL
Flower Power, 21. May 2008, 0:38
Greg doesn’t work, wife doesn’t work, HSVirginia declined to put him on the payroll. Where does he get his money?
Elena, I interpreted Gospel’s nod as an affectation for the camera… trying to look confident and pleased with himself even though he’s scared sh*tless right now. But I’m intrigued by your other analysis about narcissism. Can you tell us the source of the symptoms you are quoting?
Red Dawn, 21. May 2008, 0:45
Like I commented under this video on youtube, If you still support the cause and think that ONE little itty bitty county is going to make ALL the difference in the countRy, then by all means send your damn stimulus checks made payable to ( me) PWC Treasurer
Flower Power, you hit it right on. Gospel Greg is an unemployed Mr. Mom who has, for more than a year, gotten 100 percent of his jollies by using outrageous lies and computer innovations to manipulate people, elections, and (formerly) local politicians. Why is he so mad now? Because, when there are no more Immigration Resolutions, he goes back to being just an unemployed Mr. Mom.
(By the way, I’m now convinced that this “7 to 1″ B.S. on the news yesterday was Corey’s effort to appease Greg. It lasted less than 24 hours apparently, because the rest of the Board is tired of being pushed around. Good for them.)
The problem is: Gospel Greg seems to be blaming Chairman Stewart for his increasing feeling of impotence. This is not fair. In truth, all the power he ever had derived from the Chairman. He should be grateful it lasted as long as it did. Gospel Greg got a year’s worth of stroking, more attention than he had in all his life up to that point.
Gospel Greg is addicted to his own self-worship, and the worship of his disciples (computer generated or otherwise). Chairman Stewart is his supplier and he blames him for not delivering his Immigration Fix.
But Corey’s not cutting Greg off by choice. He’s got nothing more to give. But the last person Greg should blame is Corey. Corey’s lost his ability to bully his colleagues because he’s lost their respect. And, he’s lost their respect because it’s become so obvious (starting with the Chief Deane “controversy”) that his legs and Greg’s legs are stuffed in the same pajamas!
A year is long enough to spend on this ill-advised, mega-expensive, famously counter-productive resolution. A year is long enough for Gospel Greg’s 15 minutes of fame. A year is long enough for a once promising moderate Republican to plot behind closed doors with an infamous hate-monger. Get your legs out of Greg’s pajamas Corey Stewart!!!
JanisJoplin, 21. May 2008, 3:51
Who is this clown with the large red sticker?
SecondAlamo, 21. May 2008, 7:15
This was so blatantly meant to focus on Greg and Corey with no other purpose that it was of no redeeming value. I suggest that a blatant video of the day labor sites that Greg spoke of should be presented to offer a balanced view of the subject, but I’m not holding my breath. The videos have gone from an attempt to simply document both sides of the illegal immigrant debate to just simply demonizing (to choose your favorite word) anyone in support of the Resolution. It’s as obvious as watching a political ad on TV.
Elena, 21. May 2008, 7:45
Welcome JanisJoplin,
LOVE your music BTW
It’s funny you should ask about the big red sticker. I was thinking this morning, the red Help Save Masassas sticker is akin to an official badge for Greg I believe. It is as if HE believes it connotes some sort of power, of importance to his position as “president” of HSM. He probably believes he deserves a certain amount of respect seems to believe he and his group are entitled to take matters into their own hands if they are not obeyed.
WhyHereWhyNow, 21. May 2008, 0:53
The DSM, Diagnostic Statistical Manual, lists the criteria for personality disorders, etc. I am not “diagnosing” Greg, just sharing tid bits I think are interesting about his behavior.
SA,
Seriously, even THIS speech from Greg you don’t find inappropriate? No ONE any “other” side talks like this so WHAT exactly do you think 9500 Liberty should be posting to “balance” Greg out ?
Valley Girl, 21. May 2008, 7:57
I would be cautious in the assumption that Greg no longer has any power or influence. I am thinking that he is on to “bigger” things in the region and even the nation. I don’t think he will let go of his involvement in this issue.
Adam Smith, 21. May 2008, 8:10
Did Greg just propose vigilante action in Prince William County (in this video)? Now, THAT sounds like a risk to public safety. We all remember Greg’s last (documented) brush with a day labor site. I can see a bunch of folks in full camouflage intimidating people (who may or may not be illegal) around the County. I hope someone steps in and stops this quickly before someone gets hurt!
I don’t support illegal immigration and ( frankly) think 287g is a good idea; however, (given a choice) I would be happy to trade the departure of 100 illegals (who don’t break the law) for every 1 HSM member (or those of that ilk) who decides to leave the County.
Regarding Corey and the BOCS, thinking like this is why the County and the Country are turning “blue”.
Luckyduck, 21. May 2008, 8:43
HSM has been running “operations” at the two 7/11’s (Coverstone and Longview/Rt. 1) off and on now. Who can forget his operation and interaction with Officer Sanchez at Coverstone? Or that woman who claimed she was exposed to at the Longview 7/11 (later, there proved to be some issues or inconsistencies with her story) by Day laborers?
What HSM cannot seem to fathom is that corporate 7/11 had declared a “non enforcement” policy with regards to the loitering and trespassing statutes. If the manager or owner of the property does not mind anyone on their property, there is nothing the police department can do to enforce these codes. So HSM is barking up the wrong tree. They can rant and rave and put anyone out there at those sites they want, as long as the people who control the property consent to the situation and it does not impact neighborhing businesses (such as people trespassing on their property), those codes will not be enforced.
Even in Herndon, HelpSaveHerndon Founder Aubrey Stokes, and HEART (Herndon Ethical something something…) member Barbara Glakas wrote a letter posted in the Observer together saying it’s time to move beyond immigration and focus on rebuilding the sense of community in Herndon.
I’m a bit skeptical that some of us will ever be “friends” again (if we ever really were in the first place) but, it’s true that there is a new sense that the immigration issue is petty beside this economic huricane that is just starting to hit NOVA. With the new council settled in, the majority of Herndoner’s (who care) are getting involved in the redevelopment of the downtown and what on earth we can do to keep our community valueable, to make it a place where people would like to move.
Unfortunatly the chorus is all for making it a place where rich silk collar workers would like to move as opposed to embroidered t-shirt guys and gals like myself who have very little influence in the matter, but i do what I can.
My point is, Greg has his resolution, but the video shows Greg has little to no invested interest in “Saving” PWC from economic ruin. Instead of going before the chamber and appealing to the citizens to join together to find solutions to the foreclosure flood, to clean up the soiled image, instead he calls on the citizens to revert back to the days of Lord and surf governance, where Warlord Greg and his private army rule the land by brute force. Lord Greg will provide protection to the anglo-oppressed for but an oath of allegiance and service in his army. Once the land is cleaned of the brown menace, then Lord greg will provide a bountiful reward to all his Mujihadeen in paradise with 32 virgins for each man etc. etc.
Wake up PWC, Terrorist’s are not just limited to Arabs, they can form in any race, in any place under the right circumstances. Greg is building a farm for Nativist Terror Cells, and if you think Illegal Alien presence causes housing prices to slump, areas harboring Radical Terrorist’s become deserts (no social pun intended).
HelpSaveHerndon is already severing ties to the Letiecq gang, countless others are who are against illegal immigration and robust border security are also begining to see that Letiecq’s ultimate goal is not the same as their own. Those who belive in Greg are gambling with their Freedom.
While I don’t wish violence on Corey or anyone else, I don’t feel bad for him that he is now on the receiving end of resentment and yes, intimidation tactics. Why? Because just as he expects immigrants to take responsibility for their actions, he must as well. He brought this on himself by refusing to open PWC government up to ALL the people. He is reaping what he has sown and will continue to do so.
HSM has people at day-laborer sites? I can’t wait for a legal immigrant to file charges based on intimidation and harassment. For that honor, if I could pull it off, I would show up dressed as a Hispanic man and just wait quietly while drinking my “big gulp.”
I guess I don’t have to, though, because it’s going to happen anyway. No reasonable human being will put up with this kind of conduct from ANYONE.
Not Me, Bubba, 21. May 2008, 9:05
Adam, you echo my sentiments exactly.
However, after having watched that video I have to ask - has anyone heard of people being attacked at day laborer sites? I haven’t. It doesn’t mean that violence hasn’t occurred, but if people are being “attacked” wouldn’t that make some news? I do know of different nationalities separating themselves from each other at the sites as to avoid conflict, but laborer on non-laborer attacks?
Also to add - while it is apparant that Mr. L is passively-aggressively making threats to “solve” the day laborer site problem, there is no law against him or members of HSM idling around those sites and videotaping what goes on. Let them. Let them videotape, record and take notes of every happening. Let them send in their documentation to the DHS, ICE, FBI, IRS, etc. As far as I can recall the only part of the Resolution that was suspended was interrogating people at traffic stops for their citizenship status. No county monies were going to be invested in surveiling day laborer sites… So in essence his “we’re going to do what you aren’t” diatribe was pointless…for the county wasn’t going to do anything about these sites to begin with.
Now I do have to second what someone else here stated and say that I too hope NO violence arises out of these people going to these sites and documenting what goes on. I hope that Mr. L does not aim to provoke violence at various sites via himself and his HSM members in order to GET legislation passed that would make the police have to routinely survey various sites around PWC. Sacrificial lambs, if you will…. Now that could be plain, tinfoil-hattery or it could be a very real plan.
Frankly, I do not understand the posturing by Stewart with his 7 to 1 nonsense, nor do I understand the point of GL’s speech. No immigration issues were on the table for discussion, and no part of the resolution was revoked dealing with day laborer sites… A waste of time…
Censored bybvbl, 21. May 2008, 9:06
Another threat from Gospel Greg. “I’ll tattle to the IRS, DHS, and the state licensing board if you don’t do what I say!” How much free time and extra staff do those agencies have to investigate every trumped up, overblown, half-accurate report that the Gang of Greg sends in? They’ll be labelled as the crackpots they are in little time.
Who are these people who have been attacked at the 7-11s and who have spokened before the BOCS? I remember one woman - a woman who provoked a group of men by whom she felt threatened by driving up to them and photographing them. The police weren’t impressed by her actions.
Gospel Greg has become addicted to cameras and a confrontation at 7-11 gives him the food he needs, as well as his raison d’etre. Too bad that our tax dollars will be wasted on police actions related to his ego-driven showboating. May he see the interior of the ADC…and have his “papers” ready at hand!
Luckyduck, 21. May 2008, 9:16
The simple truth is that Day laborers will not call the police, particulary now with the resolution in effect. The ones who will contact the police will likely be the store managers to complain about HSM members formenting issues at their stores by taking photos and appearing in camo outfits. This has the potential to be a flashpoint between HSM and the local police.
Don’t fool yourself Kgotthardt, the chances of a legal immigrant being at the labor site is slim. Those with papers will work in a legal environment where the work is consistent as opposed to waiting in a parking lot for ever diminishing piece work that may not come. That is why any complaint from the day laborers about HSM will not be forthcoming, they fly under the radar and want to stay that way to avoid police contact, regardless of being the subject of harassment.
Not Me, Bubba, 21. May 2008, 9:27
“The simple truth is that Day laborers will not call the police, particulary now with the resolution in effect. The ones who will contact the police will likely be the store managers to complain about HSM members formenting issues at their stores by taking photos and appearing in camo outfits. This has the potential to be a flashpoint between HSM and the local police.”
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Exactly. And in this case, the harm then goes to local businesses (mainly 7-11’s). This is the same kind of tactic anti-choice groups use to harass and intimidate women and womens’ clinics. Conduct surveillance, videotape, harass, be ever-present and act belligerent enough so that surrounding businesses no longer want your presence, the people seeking your services seek them elsewhere (or just don’t show up), and after a long campaign of harassment and intimidation - hope that the business/site closes down.
Rod2155’s post was outstanding for it’s main commentary… civic minded people have bigger fish to fry, in essence… but his analogy to warlords is also a point well taken, perhaps a wake up call. I hesitate to use the “t” word also mentioned in Rod’s post because the word, like “patrotism,” has been so grossly misued by the other side that its meaning has been deformed.
Ironic, though, that the first public speech in PWC that deservedly draws such a comparison comes from the same discredited demagouge who hurled the “t” word and other accusations at peaceful advocates for simple equality under the law, and for humane, Consitutional treatment of those here without documentation.
KGott, I try not to defend Corey’s politics anymore, especially now that he’s gone off the deep end with the “7-to-1, Not! Adventure.” But we shouldn’t lose our sense of empathy as we navigate such divisive times. Even though Frankinstein created the Monster, I did want him to get away when the murderous fiend was chasing him across the arctic.
Heck, Elena’s even got me feeling sorry for Mr. Letiecq. We are so quick to judge people with mental disorders, but the truth is they are in many ways no more to blame than a person with a physical ailment for which they have not sought treatment either because they don’t see the dangers or they can’t afford it.
My God. You should read this, people, clones and anti-clones alike.
What is Narcissistic Personality Disorder?
NPD is a type of psychological personality disorder characterized primarily by grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy. Narcissism occurs in a spectrum of severity, but the pathologically narcissistic tend to be extremely self-absorbed, intolerant of others’ perspectives, insensitive to others’ needs and indifferent to the effect of their own egocentric behavior.
It is not uncommon for persons with this disorder to frequently compare themselves to the accomplished, well-known and well-to-do. They feel entitled to great praise, attention, and deferential treatment by others. Those with NPD crave the limelight and are quick to abandon situations in which they are not the center of attention. Defects of empathy may cause narcissists to misperceive other people’s speech and actions, causing them to believe that they are well-liked and respected despite a history of negative personal interactions.
Those with Narcissistic Personality Disorder are often ambitious and capable, but are unable cope with setbacks, disagreements or criticism. These emotional limitations, along with lack of empathy, make it difficult for such individuals to work well with others and to build a successful career (Kernberg 2003, 2004, APA 2000).
WHWN, I’m really against Jingoism and being a diest Muslim, I really don’t like bantering the”Big T” about idley, but in this case I feel it needed to be used. Albeit, PWC currently is not a hotbed of violent activity, but if Greg is left unchecked, and in essance becomes a Hamas type organization with an “allegedly” unconnected political and militant arm; This not only spells trouble for PWC, but for all of the Commonwealth. I’ve messed around on BVBL a little and I see that “The Rule Of Law” is being treated almost as a devine proclomation, and those who do not swear by it as a litnus test are quick to be portrait as the subversive enemy, reguardless of their stand on Illegal Immigration.
As with Afganistan under the Taliban, those who did not suscribe to the teaching of Wahab, were seen as the enemy, labled as being against Islam and the Prophet, bullied to submit to the Taliban rule and ulitmatly persecuted and killed. Many people who’s hearts and minds were not into the Taliban’s mandates, pledged allegence to them anyway out of fear for their lives.
How long will it be before business’ in PWC begin to suspect the Greg makes the laws and begin to support him monitarily to ensure their economic future, or from fear of boycott?
Greg may have a small army of hearts and minds now, what will happen if he gains a huge cash warchest? I don’t picture him running for any office, but he is the type who can buy lesser men and women to be in power to excercise his will.
It is the nature of evil to never commit any crimes by it’s own hands but through the hands of others, that way more innocent people can pay the penalty.
I back 9500 Liberty because they are giving scorching exposure of Greg’s true nature. People are begining to see the local tyrant for what he is. If anything, we all must unite to ensure his tyranny remains petty enough that his lost servents eventually turn on themselves.
As Pete Seeger’s banjo had written upon it…
“This machine surrounds hate and forces it to surrender”
Marie, 21. May 2008, 10:56
On BVBL this morning Advocator had this to say “The time for talking, writing, and pleading with our elected leaders to do the right thing on this issue is rapidly coming to an end.” The issue, of course, is illegal immigration. What does he mean?
Yesterday Greg threatened the BOCS. Those who have the mindset of Advocator and Greg L. will not stop at anything to get what they want.
rod2155 said it well and eloquently.
Censored bybvbl, 21. May 2008, 11:06
Marie, I’ve begun to take screenshots of Advocator’s posts.
Rob2155, you are right about the use of the term “Rule of Law!” No wonder it’s always given me the creeps when elected officials use those same three words. It’s like a code that validates Help Save Manassas and their cult-like beliefs. As Gospel Greg’s power grew, they even changed the name of the Resolution from “Immigration” to “Rule of Law” … this was obviously intended to disguise the anti-immigrant genesis and intent of the Resolution (too late), but perhaps it was also to acknowledge the organization that wrote, backed, and demanded full funding of the legislation as well.
If public officials don’t stand up to them now, the rest of your worst-case scenario is possible. I have a feeling they will stand up, however, before we get to Taliban rule. This may be the South, but it’s not the 1950’s.
This could happen faster if only there was a tradition in this country to study history and learn from the past. If only it was a tradition in this COUNTY to study best practices and learn from CURRENT situations around the world where the same patterns have emerged. Someone has to say no to these people before they hurt someone or hurt themselves. But if not the Board of Supervisors, then who?
Turn PW Blue, 21. May 2008, 11:11
Funny, as I watched this “Send in the Clowns” came to mind…
Marie, 21. May 2008, 11:35
Censoredbybvbl, Smart of you to get screen shots. Never know when you might need them.
WhereHereWhyNow, This may not be the 1950’s but I grew up in the 1950’s and I will tell you the sentiments are quite the same as they were then, just a different people group. I feel like I have gone back in time. I do hope you are right that we have public officials today will will stand up before we get the Taliban rule.
Elena, 21. May 2008, 11:41
Turn PW,
thanks for the laugh! “send in the clowns…….. send in the clowns”
I just cant imagine that Greg has any other minions to do this kind of initmidation besides Robert Duecaster.
Elena, 21. May 2008, 11:44
WhyHereWhyNow Says:
May 21st, 2008 at 10:05 am
Interesting, isn’t it.
Marie, 21. May 2008, 11:48
“Riddle me this: what do you do with all those solicitations from the RNC asking for your hard-earned money? That’s the question that Joe over at NOVATownHall asked in his contest posted last evening, which I won on my first try. I win some free beverages and two hundred rounds of ammunition, which I will enjoy in quite obviously separate celebrations.”
What the hell does this mean? Greg has a post entitled “I Won”. Above is the first paragraph. What does “I win some free beverages and two hundred rounds of ammunition, which I will enjoy in quite obviously separate celebrations”
Valley Girl, 21. May 2008, 13:44
To get the post you have to check out novatownhallblog, where Joe B who is alarmingly fond of AK-47’s has posted a riddle competition which Greg won on hsi first try proving that mentally disturbed ego-maniacs think alike.
Joe B, in addition to widely being known as an ego-maniac and a lush, is also the head of Help Save Loudoun and the Honest Business Network there, which has about 5 businesses signed up.
Just what we need, armed and drunk Help Saves.
Flower Power, 21. May 2008, 13:44
He’s a raving lunatic and who can figure what he’s talking about half the time?
Lucky said: “Those with papers will work in a legal environment where the work is consistent as opposed to waiting in a parking lot for ever diminishing piece work that may not come.” Actually, I’ve heard that the 7/11’s have become regular places to pick up workers in general, legal and not. It’s easier and cheaper than going through temp agencies.
WHWN said: “We are so quick to judge people with mental disorders, but the truth is they are in many ways no more to blame than a person with a physical ailment for which they have not sought treatment either because they don’t see the dangers or they can’t afford it.” Problem too is that if someone doesn’t know to say, “Hey! You’re acting weird!” and bring them in for treatment, too many people don’t get it, or they get the wrong treatment. Then there are those who DO just refuse treatment which is dangerous.
Rod said: “I don’t picture him running for any office” I do! And THAT is SCARY!
Not Me, Bubba, 21. May 2008, 13:56
@KG
“Rod said: “I don’t picture him running for any office” I do! And THAT is SCARY!”
Well, if he did run, he would alienate a fair amount of voters with his website alone. You don’t publicize/publish the nonsense he does and expect to win an election…especially after he has been named a Nativist.
There is plenty he has done that would prohibit him from holding office.
Now, if the voters come election time could be reminded of how some of our “delegates” are so closely linked to that @sshat GL, we may even get a change in office - and yes, I do have in mind Jackson Miller. Never was I SO RIGHT in asking him to leave my property a few years ago when he came campaigning.
Casual Observer, 21. May 2008, 14:22
SecondAlamo, 21. May 2008, 7:15
This was so blatantly meant to focus on Greg and Corey with no other purpose that it was of no redeeming value. I suggest that a blatant video of the day labor sites that Greg spoke of should be presented to offer a balanced view of the subject, but I’m not holding my breath. The videos have gone from an attempt to simply document both sides of the illegal immigrant debate to just simply demonizing (to choose your favorite word) anyone in support of the Resolution. It’s as obvious as watching a political ad on TV.
Balance what, exactly? Do you not realize that Eric let Greg L’s words stand for themselves? That video showed his oratory in its entirety. No editing, no splicing, other than real-time inserts of Corey and Maureen listening. If you don’t like how Greg was “portrayed,” well, seems to me your issue is really with Greg and Eric was only the messenger. Heck, cable channel 23 has him saying the same thing.
The only balance possible would be a psychiatric defense: not guilty by reason of insanity.
And I’ll suggest that the silly HSM sticker has magically morphed into Greg’s cloak of invincibility. Or maybe he’s just adopted a new “lovie” at the mid-point of his life.
He must have cases of those stickers in his basement. Just another reminder of the $14,000 in personal debt he claims to have run up during this crusade, and that Help Save Virginia refuses to reimburse.
Pat from Woodbridge, 21. May 2008, 14:32
I don’t know what is worse,someone who advocate vigilantism in front of the BOCS or Corey Stewart endorsing it’s thru his silence. Like I stated before the voter need to recall Corey Stewart or barring that, let the rest of the board know that vigilante justice needs to condemn in the strongest of terms.
SecondAlamo, 21. May 2008, 14:48
CA,
I stated the ‘balance’ right in the post. A video of the day labor sites. I mean just stand back and video the activities for 10 minutes. No interviews, no close ups, just observe the happenings for all to view and make their own opinions. I’m not making an opinion on the video, but you could see that Eric was hoping for some expression from Corey that he could capture and use to his advantage. I mean, why all the zooms on Corey? He says little during Citizens Time anyway. In other words, it’s a setup! Face it, if I created a list of just the derogatory quotes from the posts here, then you folks would also seem mentally unbalanced.
Marie, 21. May 2008, 14:55
Good for you Not Me, Bubba. I had to ask him to leave as well. He is a Gregolite.
“”I’m not making an opinion on the video, but you could see that Eric was hoping for some expression from Corey that he could capture and use to his advantage.”"
1:26-1:32 Corey (knowing exchange of glances)
Not Me, Bubba, 21. May 2008, 15:13
@ Marie:
What I found most distasteful about his doorstep campaign was his immediate launch into the “illegals” problem. Now, as many here have read, I am not entirely opposed to the resolution and I do not favor amnesty for the illegals. However, his immediate launch into the “illegals” problem rubbed me the wrong way - especially since we happened to be living on a street with quite a few Hispanic families. I knew he wasn’t going to their doors and pitching the same spiel. I felt as if he was hoping to garner votes from a white family who didn’t like “other” people. I didn’t want that crap on my front porch, and certainly NOT in my living room.
So I let him know what I thought of his campaign fliers with their grotesque displays of religion, mysogyny and basic contempt for people who don’t toe the modern Republican line. I think I also told him to try his “illegal” campaign pitch at every home in the neighborhood. He got a little snotty and asked me if I voted for the party, not the person and I replied to him that I saw very little difference from what he put out in his “fliers” and the current extremist conservatism that has dammaged and divided this country.
Amazingly enough he came back to our home last year before the elections. I refused to answer the door. And for his sake, he should be glad as well, for I would have gone off on him yet again. But I can see why GL and his gang think so highly of Saint Miller. They answered to all of his dog whistle calls.
notGregLetiecq, 21. May 2008, 15:44
FYI, there are two other videos posted on 9500Liberty to provide some balance. Together, the three videos pretty much sum up what went on vis a vis the Resolution.
Marie, 21. May 2008, 16:53
Not Me Bubba,
I had a similar conversation with Mr. Miller. He was a City Councilman before he was elected to the House of Delegates. I worked for the City at the time and so I knew him and his politics. He was instrumental, along with Greg L., in drafting the “Definition of Family Resolution” in the City which landed the City in a lot of hot water for unfair housing practices. Actually, a class action law suit was filed and was in the courts for about 3 years. Unfortunatley or fortunately how ever you look at it, many of the Hispanics targeted for having legitmate relatives living with them were either citizens or legal residents. In addtion, they were not in overcrowded situations. I think the suit has been dismissed but there will be many civil suits. It always amazes me that some like Greg and Mr. Miller want more laws and resolutions rather than having the ordinances and laws on the books enforced.
Mr. Miller is cut from the same piece of cloth as Greg L. and they have a long history. I have heard when he is in town he attends the HSM meetings, but of course that is hearsay. I do not know if he is a member.
I am not entirely opposed to the resolution either but the ADC already has a 287(g) agreement and has been checking status of anyone detained. If here without papers then there is an ICE detainer applied. I do not want police officers to be ICE agents. I would prefer them to do their job and let the ADC take care of the ICE issues.
This is such a complicated issue. I wish I knew the answers. I just know that people are people and should be treated with dignity and respect. I get very concerned when I hear some of the things Greg or his sidekick R. Duecaster have to say.
pvogel, 21. May 2008, 17:53
As long as we have a country, we will have folks like Greg.
He has his chance to rant, and he will be judged on what his rant is.
Right now, I think its the 2008 equivalent of the KKK burning crosses in churchyards
SecondAlamo, 21. May 2008, 18:03
I just listened carefully to the video once again. At NO time does Greg mention anything about any action other than documenting the existence of day labor sites, and forwarding the info to authorities. Wether I’m for or against Greg, where in the heck did you hear any proposal for the use of violence by members of HSM or anyone else? Please quote the section from the video, and if I’m wrong I’ll never post here again! You folks have post after post about violence, and it’s obviously all of your making. Please listen again and tell me, don’t add you words, but tell me exactly what was so terrible unless the word document strikes fear in your hearts.
Anon-100, 21. May 2008, 19:10
Marie-”I had a similar conversation with Mr. Miller. He was a City Councilman before he was elected to the House of Delegates. I worked for the City at the time and so I knew him and his politics. He was instrumental, along with Greg L., in drafting the “Definition of Family Resolution””
Please tell everyone where you got your facts from.
” Unfortunatley or fortunately how ever you look at it, many of the Hispanics targeted for having legitmate relatives living with them were either citizens or legal residents.”
SA, my personal reference to violence doesn’t have to do with this video. It was just a general statement contrasting the language used here (how ever annoying some people might find it) with the launguage of warfare and threats used by GL and company. Just wanted to clear that up in case your comment was directed towards me.
Juturna, 21. May 2008, 19:29
Red Dawn - a song comes to mind watching this video “Slip Slidin’ Away”
Juturna, 21. May 2008, 19:35
SA - you are correct there are no overt references to violence. He only states that the police are “unwilling” to enforce the law and if government fails him/us it fall on citizens to document and such…..
He should go for it. Go photograph, go report - why does he have to wait for ‘government to fail him’??? I say he should just do it. He should put on his cammo’s and march on and make phone calls.
I would imagine the IRS would be delighted to speak with him!
Marie, 21. May 2008, 19:40
@Anon-100
Well it was all public information regarding the issues of the families who filed the suits against the City. Mr. Miller went into great detail about “Definition of Family Issue” when he was a City Councilman. Greg spoke at many Council Meetings during Citizen Time. Everything I know came from public hearings, public meetings and newspapers. These are not secrets.
Anon-100, 21. May 2008, 20:54
Marie, So how do you know that the people who filed suit are LEGAL? You can’t tell by looking at someone and I don’t ever recall seeing anywhere the legal status of the folks who filed suit. Also you made a specific comment on how “Greg” was instrumental in drafting the “Definition of Family Resolution”
No love feast here for G.L., but when you make a statement like this one, you should be able to back it up.
This is an excellent opportunity for a disagreement about immigration to evolve into (gasp) a discussion with factual basis.
Anon-100 theories that no one in Manassas or PWC who lives under crowded conditions is a legal citizens, resident alien, or otherwise documented individual.
Marie claims that there are records proving the opposite.
Someone must have the facts on their side. There must be a way to find out.
Since the Immigration Resolution first introduced in June 2006 was based on assumptions such as the one that Anon-100 is making, perhaps we could ask the County government to (gasp) research it.
“he calls on the citizens to revert back to the days of Lord and surf governance, where Warlord Greg and his private army rule the land by brute force. Lord Greg will provide protection to the anglo-oppressed for but an oath of allegiance and service in his army. Once the land is cleaned of the brown menace, then Lord greg will provide a bountiful reward to all his Mujihadeen in paradise with 32 virgins for each man etc. etc.”
Where exactly does he do this in the video? I know I’m tired tonight, but unless I slept through it, I did not hear him say any such thing. There is not even a hint of talk of violence (”brute force” as you put it). You certainly have a vivid imagination, but could you have possibly mixed any more metaphors here?
anon, 21. May 2008, 21:52
I repeatedly see attempts in this forum to make it sound like Greg and HSM are for violence. It is nothing more than an attempt to put fear into everyone’s minds. I am no supporter of Greg, but every week or so there are posts making it sound like violence is imminent, just to try and whip everyone up into some kind of frenzy! One could indeed string together all these posts, and it would make some people sound truly paranoid or at least have extremely active imaginations. All I got from that video was that the day laborer sites would be monitored and reported to authorities. I didn’t see any reference to potential attacks on those sites - all I saw was monitoring and reporting. This blog is at times just as extreme (but in the opposite direction) as Greg’s. These attempts to stir up fear of some imminent violence - it makes one wonder what some people’s agendas are to try and do something like that.
Just when I think there’s meaningful discussion happening on here, it goes back to these kinds of posts trying to instill fear and paranoia in everyone’s minds.
Vigilantism is frightening, especially when it is motivated by hate or resentment toward a particular race or class of people. This cannot be argued. I’m sorry, but it cannot. As many have rightly pointed out, we are just not that evolved as a people to hear citizens threaten public officials that they will “take the law into their own hands” without expressing some concern. If you have no regard for the potential targets of this “operation,” there are some in this community who do. And, if you have no regard for those of us who do, you can at least come to terms with the fact that historically, vigilante groups have added little to our society, and cost us much.
The only question here, is how seriously should we take these threats?
I for one, don’t take them that seriously. Army uniform and threats to bring guns to labor sites notwithstanding, let’s not forget that these people were political activists before they were hate-mongers. And it simply would not serve their interests to do something against the law.
For my two cents, they are simply expressing their frustration and trying to intimidate the Board, knowing that the ship has sailed and there is little else they can do.
But there is nothing wrong with being cautious, and taking these threats seriously. I’m sure that local and federal law enforcement is doing so, as well they should.
Emma, 21. May 2008, 22:31
I’m still not seeing where the “threats” lie. The power many here are ascribing to Greg L. is making him seem almost legendary. He is being built up into some huge bogeyman with enormous mind-control powers. Unless Eric Byler can catch Greg on film peforming a Vulcan mind-meld, I think I’ll just see Greg as a very vocal citizen with strong opinions and some influential friends.
Honestly, I find the three Presidential candidates much scarier than Greg and his supposed “vigilante group.” You’re making him larger than life, and he must be loving it.
Ruby, 21. May 2008, 22:38
Emma,
Exactly right on the “larger than life” comment. Why feed his ego? Let’s move on.
I’m not sure if it’s doing Gospel Greg’s ego any good to be psychoanalyzed along with the usual ridicule (of which I have been no small contributor). If you’re not concerned, as I said, it is your right. For a long time many Americans didn’t worry about global warming very much. Some doubted the science since the oil companies also had their science, etc. You are certainly free to accept without questioning anything that supports your belief system and discount anything that challenges it. There may be some who celebrate Greg’s threats … and yes they are threats … because they discredit him politically. But others are genuinely concerned. I might be in the former category, except for the fact that I’m beginning to wonder if he does indeed have some type of personality or mental disorder, in which case we need to deal with him more cautiously.
I don’t understand why Greg and Duecaster are talking about acts of vigilantism. Perhaps they are trying to stay relevant. But truth be told, they deserve to be relevant. After all, they DID hijack our government for the better part of a year.
Also, they are relevant because Gospel Greg is planning a Crusade through the rest of Virginia and into Maryland. If the Duecaster Disaster tags along, they could easily destroy the economy, the reputation, and the social environment in some other unsuspecting town … one that doesn’t already think of them as liars and hate-mongers.
I can only think of one strategic advantage to calling for shovels, pitchforks, military uniforms, cameras, and guns:
They are interested in provoking a conflict with someone, anyone, who happens to be Hispanic, preferably someone they can argue is probably undocumented (allowing, for the sake of argument, that there is a distinction in their minds). If they can snap a photo in which a Hispanic looking person gives them the finger or spits at them or shoves them or punches them, they think they will have a publicity opportunity to… I don’t know, demand another Resolution, this one about day laborers.
This agenda is evidenced by the fact that, last winter, when they tried such an exercise and no such act was committed, one of the female clones apparently decided to make something up. (She told so many conflicting tall tales to the police that they had no difficulty believing her, but that didn’t stop her from slandering some imaginary “illegal” at Citizens’ Time).
Of course if anything really does happen, Gospel Greg and the Duecaster Disaster will have provided mountains of evidence on line and in person that they set out to provoke just such an event.
So, it’s a bonehead play. But they are angry and desperate, and, it’s all they have. Given the rapidly accelerating evaporation of what ever credibility they might have had left, even with their fellow extremists who formerly respected them, they don’t have anything much to lose.
junkyard dog, 22. May 2008, 0:36
Not me Bubba,
Some woman appeared before the BOCS a number of months ago and ‘claimed’ that her car was jostled at one of the Woodbridge Day Labor 7-11s. She also claimed someone exposed himself to her. I do not think anyone believed her.
It sounds to me like he is putting the BOCS on notice that he is preparing to ready his troops to go out and stir up crap at Coverstone or Route 1 7-11 in the very near future. I sincerely hope he gets arrested.
I agree with you about anti-choice tactics. Same group different issue is my thoughts on the matter. We should talk some time.
WHWN, don’t be so quick to declare Corey innocent. I believe he knew all about GG’s presentation to the board before it happened. Did you watch his face carefully? He should never play poker. It is all contrived.
I also wouldn’t call GG a Mr. Mom. A Mr. Mom has a working wife and is involved with his kids. I seriously doubt he does his fair share.
Elena, of course he has other minions to do the dirty work. Some are behind the scenes people and some are not. Don’t forget the special training classes.
SA and anon: inferences. One would be remiss not to notice certain inferences. GG is too smart to make explicit statements, I think. Go check out the target practice remarks by GG. Again, inferences.
As far as declaring Corey innocent, I’m not sure where I did that on this thread. Tell me if you have a specific beef and I’ll be glad to engage you. I did defend him last fall and during the first few months of this year. But recently I have been very critical of him, starting with the Chief Deane attack which, for me, was the last straw. I think he’s finished as a politician.
I was very confused by the “7 to 1″ promise Corey made on Monday. My predictions and interpretations that night and the next morning were all over the place, I’ll admit. But one of them was that Corey knew he didn’t have the votes, but he was just making a show to appease Gospel Greg, to make it look like he did his best.
With this interpretation in mind, I watched this video and it really looked to me like Corey was wishing Greg would move to some other town and bully some other Chairman. He looked like he was going to throw up.
Maybe I am wrong to feel like I can read Corey. But I do know him, and I knew him when he was, believe it or not, a humble person and a moderate. My honest interpretation of Corey’s emotions in the video is that he’s afraid of what Gospel Greg might do. I’m not saying he’s afraid for some noble reason like wanting to protect the community (even though, if anyone knows the depths of Greg’s dementia, it’s got to be Corey).
No, I think he’s afraid of what Greg might do because he knows he has been irrevocable tied to him in the eyes of voters, the media, his colleagues, the world, etc. The more infamous Gospel Greg becomes, the more damaging he is to Corey’s reputation, to his pride, and to his future prospects as a public servant.
I mean look, I could fully condemn Corey like everyone else, but then again, it’s already being said by everyone else, so why repeat it? The only semi-credible person who comes on here to defend Corey is Tom Kopko … the only man on earth who deserves as much blame for what happened to Corey as Gospel Greg, but that’s another story.
Oh, and what did you mean by target practice remarks?
AnonForNow, 22. May 2008, 2:10
Question for 9500Liberty: What happened to the day laborers’ incident video in which Greg shows up wearing army fatigues to 7-11 and then later threatens to return with a gun? That video will help illuminate why this citizens’ time is so ominous.
Actually, it’s a combination of details in addition to this video that disturb me: it’s the day laborers’ video, his association with the Robert “we’re going to repel this invasion one way or another” Duecaster, his battle cry in Richmond in which he compares HSM to an army, and his association with the Virginia Citizens Defense League, the nutty gun lobby group to the right of the NRA. Greg really sounds like a militia guy. He tried lobbying for legislation and when that weapon achieve the desired outcome, he’s going to revert to what he knows from the past: militant action.
Pat from Woodbridge, 22. May 2008, 2:27
What troubles me is that not only does Corery Stewart bully his resolution thru but he than sit back and said nothing when someone said that he will take the law in his own hands Even the dullest of person say easily figure within second that this resolution not only bankrupt the count but simply will not work Afterall, who believes that anyone deported as a result of this will not cross the borders agian because they know that there will a job waiting for him/her once they make it back to the county.
SecondAlamo, 22. May 2008, 5:52
Has anyone ever heard the term ‘citizen’s arrest’? Citizens are allowed to take certain actions when law enforcement is no where to be found. After the tragedy of 9-11 anyone in this country illegally should be scrutinized. The Potomac News just printed a story in the Police Briefs section of three American flags being burned in Manassas Park while attached to peoples homes. I’m not saying illegals did it, but it does raise concerns. The person or persons that did this were obviously anti-American, and that is concerning.
“My first inclination in these cases is usually to hit back hard,”
“all it took for me to set aside my natural tendencies to be combative,”
“We raise the level of the debate before it risks going into some potentially disturbing territory,”
“It took me several days of reflection and prayer to arrive at this as perhaps the best means of resolving this problem.”
“He can tell you from personal experience what it’s like to try this tack with me”
Since I’ve never MET GL (and have no desire to do so) and he contacted me TWICE personally (when I have NEVER contacted him) I consider this a threat and did report it to the police.
I’ve known enough mentally ill people who are indeed dangerous to spot the warning signs. At least those negative experiences amount now to some good.
This man needs to be taken seriously.
Censored bybvbl, 22. May 2008, 8:25
Has anyone ever heard the term ‘citizen’s arrest’? Citizens are allowed to take certain actions when law enforcement is no where to be found.
Second Alamo, are you talking about citizens enforcing federal immigration law? Or loitering laws? If loitering laws, a person who tries to make that arrest may find himself/herself on the other end of a lawsuit if the property owner doesn’t care if someone loiters. I hope you’re not talking about GG actually trying to detain an individual.
As for the flag burnings, it seems a perfect ploy by some anti-illegal immigrant nutball to stir up the masses. I certainly don’t rule that out.
Marie, 22. May 2008, 8:34
@Anon-101
I said “Unfortunatley or fortunately how ever you look at it, MANY of the Hispanics targeted for having legitmate relatives living with them were either citizens or legal residents.” I never said ALL. Bottom line unfair housing practices took place. HUD thought so and turned it over to the Justice Dept. It matters not whether many or all were legal or documented. What matters is what happened. There were articles in the Manassas Journal Messenger about the issue. So none of this is top secret information.
Both PWC and Manassas City need to be careful regarding the policies/resolutions that are enacted. Both localities need to quit listening to Greg L. He has had far too much influence on the decisions of both governing bodies. Now he has threatened the BOCS. What will be next? After reading his “I Win” post again this morning there is even a more disturbing post by him in a reply to Nick. He may be joking but I do not take those jokes lightly. He is dangerous.
TH, 22. May 2008, 8:45
This is what Greg wrote recently:
“I win some free beverages and two hundred rounds of ammunition, which I will enjoy in quite obviously separate celebrations”
He was asked to specify what he meant by that and this is what he responded:
Greg L said on 21 May 2008 at 8:07 pm:
Nick,
Oh, the possibilities… Maybe some hydra-shocks in .45? nah, I’ll be nice and settle for four boxes of UMC, in .45 hardball of course, since you practice with what you carry.
Oh, and for all you anti-gunners out there, the reason I’m looking forward to some free target practice is that it helps me maintain a proficiency in putting .45 caliber slugs consistently in an area approximating someone’s forehead at a distance of twenty yards with my UGLY looking Kimber Pro-Carry 1911 Model. That pistol even has night sights powered by Trituim gas, so not only is it an UGLY BLACK DEATH-DEALING MACHINE DESIGNED FOR MILITARY USE, BUT IT’S FRIGGIN NUCLEAR, BABY.
Hopefully, that popping sound you hear are liberal’s heads exploding as they read this.
TH, 22. May 2008, 8:47
Who do you think they were talking when this was posted:
# Tyler Durden said on 21 May 2008 at 11:16 pm:
Lemme know when you go pop caps, Greg. I’ll bring some silhouettes of the fat broads.
# Greg L said on 21 May 2008 at 11:35 pm:
Nah, that wouldn’t be nice. The standard black silhouettes are what I use.
I don’t know about you guys but these people are crazy
Marie, 22. May 2008, 8:57
TH
You are correct. They are crazy.
I can only assume he is talking about the admin’s of this blog. They have been referred to in other posts as the “fat broads”. Of course, they are beautiful and voluptous women.
TH, 22. May 2008, 8:58
I am conducting a text mining analysis of the BVBL website and whenever they talk about the two ladies helping with this website, the BVBL people refer to them as the fat broads.
I worry when people talk about using guns and make references to pictures of Alanna and Elena
Ruby, 22. May 2008, 9:11
They are shameful, just like our BOS with the kids and seniors!
Elena, 22. May 2008, 9:14
Hey TH,
It is disturbing, but I am not worried that anyone would act on it. Doesn’t scare me, I am perfectly capable of responding in like to anyone that would threaten me or my family We are not anti gun in my home.
Marie,
Thank you! XXXOOO
TH, 22. May 2008, 9:21
OK, just to keep you posted!
Juturna, 22. May 2008, 9:23
Oh boy is he ever needy, baby. Someone commit that man….
The criminally insane are far more dangerous than just the criminal. SA, I would think that although there are no overt statements of violence, the majority of people agree he is borderline crazy. Add that together with veiled comments and you have your really dangerous situations.
Let him go do something, hope it explodes, pray no one is hurt and it will be over finally. He can spend some time at the ADC - they will run him through 287(g) as well. Wonder if they would have to provide him extra protection from the other inmates????
Regarding the comments about the women, just remember any therapist would tell you those statements are more reflective of the speaker’s state of mind than the intended recipient.
We are not anti gun in our home either.
Not Me, Bubba, 22. May 2008, 9:26
TH -
Only really stupid firearm owners brag about their arsenal online - especially when the one bragging is a well-known public figure.
Either that or he is trying desperately to compensate for something he …um…lacks.
I apologize to KGott and to everyone here for not taking Gospel Greg’s threats as seriously as I should have. I’m stunned by what I’ve read above about ammunition and target practice. Really sad for the whole county. I’ll be sharing this information with proper authorities.
DHS (as much as a joke as it is with dealing with international terrorist’s) has tried to compensate by going after the Home Growns. DHS has no love for these HELP SAVES and would sure appreciate any evidence to give them a reason to bust up the orginazations nationally.
anon, 22. May 2008, 10:57
I kind of think Greg L is just baiting all of you and intentionally making comments about firing rounds of ammunition at targets on his blog. You are all falling to the bait, and he must be having a good laugh at your expense. Again, I’m no supporter of him, but I find some of the comments here and in other threads bordering on extreme paranoia. It is funny when there are discussions of mental illness on here, as I think some people here need a reality check when they start saying things about armies being formed, and people with guns and so on. While I will agree if Greg is joking some of it is not funny, i think he is doing it on purpose knowing you read his blog and enjoying then seeing the comments that you post on here. So you should all think of that. Again, nothing in what he said at the BOCS meeting appeared to me to be other than monitoring and reporting. How is that different than 9500 Liberty videotaping? Wait - I forgot, they won’t videotape a day laborer site to show the mess that it is, that would be too much fair and balanced reporting!
TH, 22. May 2008, 11:02
Give me an address of a laborer center and I will take a camera. I don’t live in the area so i need something that I can find in Google maps.
Only someone named “anon” would come on here to defend Gospel Greg and diminish cause for concern of those who have been directly threatened. That’s rather low of you anon, low class and despicable. The fact that there are people out there who think like you, by the way, does not speak well for Gospel Greg. On the contrary, it reveals just how dangerous and damaging he can be, because there are others among us who will follow any person, propagate any lie, and allow for any tactic that helps achieve a political end.
“Anon” if you are a real person and not yet another apparition of Gospel Greg’s self-generated following on BVBL, then you must be able to recognize that he’s sunk to the low of threatening and encouraging confrontations if not violence among his disciples.
The fact that you, “anon,” if you are a real person, are willing to defend vigilantism and threats of gun violence, makes the situation look worse, not better, for Gospel Greg. And, it hurts the cause of supporting the Immigration Resolution. Unless you have other reason to throw in with Greg, I suggest you stop trying to “help” him.
anon, 22. May 2008, 11:39
I already said I am no supporter of him. I have reasons for not identifying myself given the problems I’m having in my current neighborhood. Actually, I have found you very willing to be “on the attack” to anyone who seems to have any support for the resolution. Quite frankly, the negative tone of your comments above, with words like low class and despicable, is in and of itself extremely low class and despicable! I never said I was willing to defend the things you accuse me of. In the past you accused me of posting on BVBL - I’ve never posted there. Your posts are full of baseless accusations, and come across very harsh and mean. I am not trying to “help him” and even stated that I don’t agree with him and don’t defend him, in my above post. But you read past that and made a bunch of baseless accusations, and called me low class and despicable! This is not the first time you’ve attacked me here, and I’m finally saying I’ve had enough of it. In fact, fine, I’m leaving this board. If you lived next to what lives next to me - you would be supportive of the resolution. In fact the night after the police arrested the alleged rapist, several people moved out, and now several new people moved in during the middle of the night. Anyway, I don’t care any more I’m moving out - and I guess I should stop posting here as it won’t be my problem if as the result of things here - neighborhoods like mine go even more to hell.
anon, 22. May 2008, 11:49
And I did say if he was joking I didn’t find it particularly funny either - but you accuse me of defending that! I’m done arguing with you - you didn’t even read what I said carefully and jumped all over me and made a bunch of baseless accusations that I support Greg, which I don’t - I find much of what is on his blog disgusting. I came over here hoping to find a balanced, reasonable discussion, but instead anyone who has just a hint of supporting the resolution, is jumped all over on. In fact, on my first post here I was told to “crawl back to my sumhole” when all I did was say I supported the resolution due to the problems in my neighborhood, which I’ve discussed in great length here.
Well, guess you got your wish (although it wasn’t you that made that post but someone equally shrill on here who thinks they can call people names and things like that) - so that’s where I’m going.
So don’t worry - you won’t see any other posts by “anon”! In fact, I hope when I move out of my neighborhood, it goes real downhill. I already had a thief and a rapist (alleged) living next to me. The thief clearly was an illegal, as he had no ID to show to the police, and fled the scene (moved out in the middle of the night) before I could return home and identify stolen property. Why the police didn’t take him in when another neighbor identified him as runinng from my house, I have no clue.
So I am justifyably angered, and I bet if this happened to you, you would be angry too.
Well, I’ve said everything I wanted to say here, and since you have jumped on me before, and did it again, and someone else here did on my very first post - you all are getting your wishes. Why don’t you move into my townhouse and see if you can educate the fine folks next to me about how stealing from a neighbor’s house is not such a nice thing to do. It is more than likely that others in that house were involved, but the neighbor could only positively ID one of them.
Anon, there are so many “anon’s” here that I honestly don’t know where you live or where you stand. I don’t think it’s fair to expect anyone to recall which anon you are and which anon you aren’t. I’m sorry I offended you but, remember, YOU are the only person who knows who you are. The rest of us are just responding to your words, which, at least on this thread, seem to be dumping on people who have been directly threatened while supporting the one who is doing the threatening. Perhaps I’m reading in to you “anon,” but that doesn’t sound like a thinker with sound priorities. I don’t care what side of the issue you are on.
Well, I’m sorry anon. I hope you’ll come back with a new name. I think the issues you are dealing with are serious problems. I don’t think Greg Letiecq is the answer to those problems. That’s my only quarrel with you.
anon, 22. May 2008, 12:19
OK, fair enough. But I never ever said Greg L is the answer to my problems. While I support most aspects of the resolution, I do not in any way support a lot of what Greg L says or does.
The gun issue is as big a hot button as is immigration. The open carry crowd has been vocal locally including the stupidly (IMO) staged show at Tony’s Pizza, a family restaurant. To be an effective leader for the Immigration Resolution Greg really should be careful of what else he says or supports publically whether on BVBL , at the BOCS meetings, or at HSM. He makes it hard to tease out which opinions are his and which are the organization he represents. He’s showing little sense in what he’s willing to say publically.
Although I don’t think he’s planning on visiting the 7-11s with violence in mind, he has the type of personality that would allow a bad situation easily to escalate. I saw the video where the day laborers said that he returned to the 7-11 in camo or military fatigues. What was that all about if not to intimidate? Was the next step returning with a gun? If so, that’s stupid even if he has a permit to carry one. All it takes is some stupid blunder during some confrontation to allow an accident to happen. Add more stupid people to the scenario and it increases the chances.
hello, 22. May 2008, 13:28
Anon - seems to be standard procedure for WhyHereWhyNow, I stopped posting here weeks ago because I was called a racist (not by WHWN) for supporting the resolution. My first post in weeks WhyHereWhyNow called me a clone, a minion, and some other things. This is why many people are turned off to this site, any difference of opinion and your automatically a racist, a member of HSM, a BVBL supporter, Greg, a clone of Greg, or what ever else they can think of.
And ELENA FAT?????? Or even BIG???? Come on. Elena, I would lOVE to have your figure! What’s he talking about?
But okay. Let’s get back to the real scary thing.
Personally, I don’t feel like being shot at and there’s no doubt in my mind he will do it at some point to someone. Someone should arrest him just on the basis of his postings.
BTW, I’m fat but I’m not violent. That gives me (and a hell of a lot of other people) a one-up on GL and his buds.
hello, 22. May 2008, 14:05
kgotthardt - So there is no such thing as free speech now? I’m not defending him in any way (Ill also add that what he said was wrong an I don’t agree with any of it). However, in the US we do have something called free speech, no matter how much your or I dislike what was said arresting him because of it isn’t very “American”. I doubt that Greg is going to go out and start shooting people, let get serious.
OK, I won’t post a video but as I watched this I could NOT help but to hear a song playing in the back of my head Mr. Roboto from STYK ( both speakers and watching the faces of the BOCS)
Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don΄t mean to do harm but the harm does not interest them.
T.S. Eliot
It’s interesting to me, I think what we are seeing here is a classic case of narcissism. He is so self bloated with his importance, that he now believes it is up to him, as the “leader” of HSM to do the job that government “refuses” to do in order to clean up day laborer sites. Does he believe he is so much more qualified to fulfill the job that others are elected or paid to do? Does he “exaggerate achievements and talents, demand to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements? ” Is he more qualified than the police, if so, what are those qualification? Since the politicians are not doing his bidding he ” Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations.”
It seems to me what is upsetting Greg is that he no longer has the limelight. Who is he ,if does not have the power of influencing public policy? As Corey’s power has clearly diminished, is Greg looking elsewhere to fullfill his need of control? Does he see the day laborers as a weak target?
I find his nod at the end of the video especially interesting. Does he believe he is making direct contact with Supervisors?
Mr. Roboto? I was hearing the swishy swishy music from the Friday the 13th movies. Is Gospel Greg ever going to get a job??? Or is he going to remain a professional laughing stock forever?
Obviously, he was pissed off that Corey Stewart raised his hopes last night boasting he had 7 votes to push through yet ANOTHER Immigration Resolution today. Oops, well make that 2 votes, never mind.
So what does Gospel Greg do? He stands there and threatens the Board, again (yawn). When do we get to see the Duecaster Disaster’s Citizens’ Time? Pitchforks and shovels anyone?
And did you watch it to the end? If you didn’t, please watch it to the end. Gospel Greg hangs around and glares at Corey Stewart for another three minutes before stealing into that greenish white oblivion. Creepy!
I couldn’t help feeling sorry for Corey Stewart when I watched this part…yes, yes, old habits die hard. But c’mon, that threat was directed at Corey. An angry mob led by Disaster Duecaster and Gospel Greg would be a nationally televised embarrassment for Stewart, worse than anything that has befallen him so far. Gospel Greg was basically saying, “Either you give me my new Immigration Law, or we call in the mob.”
What on earth was going through the Chairman’s mind during those three minutes Gospel Greg was glaring at him????
Corey, if you’re reading this, pleasssssse, it’s time to cut the puppet strings. For your sake as well as ours (not to mention anyone who “looks” illegal to Gospel Greg), SHOW SOME LEADERSHIP and stand up to this clown!
“Mr. Roboto? I was hearing the swishy swishy music from the Friday the 13th movies. ”
Swichy, swichy? Ch ch ch ch cha ha ha ha…jason jason jason…..
So you think you can dance?
LOL
Greg doesn’t work, wife doesn’t work, HSVirginia declined to put him on the payroll. Where does he get his money?
Elena, I interpreted Gospel’s nod as an affectation for the camera… trying to look confident and pleased with himself even though he’s scared sh*tless right now. But I’m intrigued by your other analysis about narcissism. Can you tell us the source of the symptoms you are quoting?
Like I commented under this video on youtube, If you still support the cause and think that ONE little itty bitty county is going to make ALL the difference in the countRy, then by all means send your damn stimulus checks made payable to ( me) PWC Treasurer
I smell th
Flower Power, you hit it right on. Gospel Greg is an unemployed Mr. Mom who has, for more than a year, gotten 100 percent of his jollies by using outrageous lies and computer innovations to manipulate people, elections, and (formerly) local politicians. Why is he so mad now? Because, when there are no more Immigration Resolutions, he goes back to being just an unemployed Mr. Mom.
(By the way, I’m now convinced that this “7 to 1″ B.S. on the news yesterday was Corey’s effort to appease Greg. It lasted less than 24 hours apparently, because the rest of the Board is tired of being pushed around. Good for them.)
The problem is: Gospel Greg seems to be blaming Chairman Stewart for his increasing feeling of impotence. This is not fair. In truth, all the power he ever had derived from the Chairman. He should be grateful it lasted as long as it did. Gospel Greg got a year’s worth of stroking, more attention than he had in all his life up to that point.
Gospel Greg is addicted to his own self-worship, and the worship of his disciples (computer generated or otherwise). Chairman Stewart is his supplier and he blames him for not delivering his Immigration Fix.
But Corey’s not cutting Greg off by choice. He’s got nothing more to give. But the last person Greg should blame is Corey. Corey’s lost his ability to bully his colleagues because he’s lost their respect. And, he’s lost their respect because it’s become so obvious (starting with the Chief Deane “controversy”) that his legs and Greg’s legs are stuffed in the same pajamas!
A year is long enough to spend on this ill-advised, mega-expensive, famously counter-productive resolution. A year is long enough for Gospel Greg’s 15 minutes of fame. A year is long enough for a once promising moderate Republican to plot behind closed doors with an infamous hate-monger. Get your legs out of Greg’s pajamas Corey Stewart!!!
Who is this clown with the large red sticker?
This was so blatantly meant to focus on Greg and Corey with no other purpose that it was of no redeeming value. I suggest that a blatant video of the day labor sites that Greg spoke of should be presented to offer a balanced view of the subject, but I’m not holding my breath. The videos have gone from an attempt to simply document both sides of the illegal immigrant debate to just simply demonizing (to choose your favorite word) anyone in support of the Resolution. It’s as obvious as watching a political ad on TV.
Welcome JanisJoplin,
LOVE your music BTW
It’s funny you should ask about the big red sticker. I was thinking this morning, the red Help Save Masassas sticker is akin to an official badge for Greg I believe. It is as if HE believes it connotes some sort of power, of importance to his position as “president” of HSM. He probably believes he deserves a certain amount of respect seems to believe he and his group are entitled to take matters into their own hands if they are not obeyed.
WhyHereWhyNow, 21. May 2008, 0:53
The DSM, Diagnostic Statistical Manual, lists the criteria for personality disorders, etc. I am not “diagnosing” Greg, just sharing tid bits I think are interesting about his behavior.
SA,
Seriously, even THIS speech from Greg you don’t find inappropriate? No ONE any “other” side talks like this so WHAT exactly do you think 9500 Liberty should be posting to “balance” Greg out ?
I would be cautious in the assumption that Greg no longer has any power or influence. I am thinking that he is on to “bigger” things in the region and even the nation. I don’t think he will let go of his involvement in this issue.
Did Greg just propose vigilante action in Prince William County (in this video)? Now, THAT sounds like a risk to public safety. We all remember Greg’s last (documented) brush with a day labor site. I can see a bunch of folks in full camouflage intimidating people (who may or may not be illegal) around the County. I hope someone steps in and stops this quickly before someone gets hurt!
I don’t support illegal immigration and ( frankly) think 287g is a good idea; however, (given a choice) I would be happy to trade the departure of 100 illegals (who don’t break the law) for every 1 HSM member (or those of that ilk) who decides to leave the County.
Regarding Corey and the BOCS, thinking like this is why the County and the Country are turning “blue”.
HSM has been running “operations” at the two 7/11’s (Coverstone and Longview/Rt. 1) off and on now. Who can forget his operation and interaction with Officer Sanchez at Coverstone? Or that woman who claimed she was exposed to at the Longview 7/11 (later, there proved to be some issues or inconsistencies with her story) by Day laborers?
What HSM cannot seem to fathom is that corporate 7/11 had declared a “non enforcement” policy with regards to the loitering and trespassing statutes. If the manager or owner of the property does not mind anyone on their property, there is nothing the police department can do to enforce these codes. So HSM is barking up the wrong tree. They can rant and rave and put anyone out there at those sites they want, as long as the people who control the property consent to the situation and it does not impact neighborhing businesses (such as people trespassing on their property), those codes will not be enforced.
Even in Herndon, HelpSaveHerndon Founder Aubrey Stokes, and HEART (Herndon Ethical something something…) member Barbara Glakas wrote a letter posted in the Observer together saying it’s time to move beyond immigration and focus on rebuilding the sense of community in Herndon.
I’m a bit skeptical that some of us will ever be “friends” again (if we ever really were in the first place) but, it’s true that there is a new sense that the immigration issue is petty beside this economic huricane that is just starting to hit NOVA. With the new council settled in, the majority of Herndoner’s (who care) are getting involved in the redevelopment of the downtown and what on earth we can do to keep our community valueable, to make it a place where people would like to move.
Unfortunatly the chorus is all for making it a place where rich silk collar workers would like to move as opposed to embroidered t-shirt guys and gals like myself who have very little influence in the matter, but i do what I can.
My point is, Greg has his resolution, but the video shows Greg has little to no invested interest in “Saving” PWC from economic ruin. Instead of going before the chamber and appealing to the citizens to join together to find solutions to the foreclosure flood, to clean up the soiled image, instead he calls on the citizens to revert back to the days of Lord and surf governance, where Warlord Greg and his private army rule the land by brute force. Lord Greg will provide protection to the anglo-oppressed for but an oath of allegiance and service in his army. Once the land is cleaned of the brown menace, then Lord greg will provide a bountiful reward to all his Mujihadeen in paradise with 32 virgins for each man etc. etc.
Wake up PWC, Terrorist’s are not just limited to Arabs, they can form in any race, in any place under the right circumstances. Greg is building a farm for Nativist Terror Cells, and if you think Illegal Alien presence causes housing prices to slump, areas harboring Radical Terrorist’s become deserts (no social pun intended).
HelpSaveHerndon is already severing ties to the Letiecq gang, countless others are who are against illegal immigration and robust border security are also begining to see that Letiecq’s ultimate goal is not the same as their own. Those who belive in Greg are gambling with their Freedom.
While I don’t wish violence on Corey or anyone else, I don’t feel bad for him that he is now on the receiving end of resentment and yes, intimidation tactics. Why? Because just as he expects immigrants to take responsibility for their actions, he must as well. He brought this on himself by refusing to open PWC government up to ALL the people. He is reaping what he has sown and will continue to do so.
HSM has people at day-laborer sites? I can’t wait for a legal immigrant to file charges based on intimidation and harassment. For that honor, if I could pull it off, I would show up dressed as a Hispanic man and just wait quietly while drinking my “big gulp.”
I guess I don’t have to, though, because it’s going to happen anyway. No reasonable human being will put up with this kind of conduct from ANYONE.
Adam, you echo my sentiments exactly.
However, after having watched that video I have to ask - has anyone heard of people being attacked at day laborer sites? I haven’t. It doesn’t mean that violence hasn’t occurred, but if people are being “attacked” wouldn’t that make some news? I do know of different nationalities separating themselves from each other at the sites as to avoid conflict, but laborer on non-laborer attacks?
Also to add - while it is apparant that Mr. L is passively-aggressively making threats to “solve” the day laborer site problem, there is no law against him or members of HSM idling around those sites and videotaping what goes on. Let them. Let them videotape, record and take notes of every happening. Let them send in their documentation to the DHS, ICE, FBI, IRS, etc. As far as I can recall the only part of the Resolution that was suspended was interrogating people at traffic stops for their citizenship status. No county monies were going to be invested in surveiling day laborer sites… So in essence his “we’re going to do what you aren’t” diatribe was pointless…for the county wasn’t going to do anything about these sites to begin with.
Now I do have to second what someone else here stated and say that I too hope NO violence arises out of these people going to these sites and documenting what goes on. I hope that Mr. L does not aim to provoke violence at various sites via himself and his HSM members in order to GET legislation passed that would make the police have to routinely survey various sites around PWC. Sacrificial lambs, if you will…. Now that could be plain, tinfoil-hattery or it could be a very real plan.
Frankly, I do not understand the posturing by Stewart with his 7 to 1 nonsense, nor do I understand the point of GL’s speech. No immigration issues were on the table for discussion, and no part of the resolution was revoked dealing with day laborer sites… A waste of time…
Another threat from Gospel Greg. “I’ll tattle to the IRS, DHS, and the state licensing board if you don’t do what I say!” How much free time and extra staff do those agencies have to investigate every trumped up, overblown, half-accurate report that the Gang of Greg sends in? They’ll be labelled as the crackpots they are in little time.
Who are these people who have been attacked at the 7-11s and who have spokened before the BOCS? I remember one woman - a woman who provoked a group of men by whom she felt threatened by driving up to them and photographing them. The police weren’t impressed by her actions.
Gospel Greg has become addicted to cameras and a confrontation at 7-11 gives him the food he needs, as well as his raison d’etre. Too bad that our tax dollars will be wasted on police actions related to his ego-driven showboating. May he see the interior of the ADC…and have his “papers” ready at hand!
The simple truth is that Day laborers will not call the police, particulary now with the resolution in effect. The ones who will contact the police will likely be the store managers to complain about HSM members formenting issues at their stores by taking photos and appearing in camo outfits. This has the potential to be a flashpoint between HSM and the local police.
Don’t fool yourself Kgotthardt, the chances of a legal immigrant being at the labor site is slim. Those with papers will work in a legal environment where the work is consistent as opposed to waiting in a parking lot for ever diminishing piece work that may not come. That is why any complaint from the day laborers about HSM will not be forthcoming, they fly under the radar and want to stay that way to avoid police contact, regardless of being the subject of harassment.
“The simple truth is that Day laborers will not call the police, particulary now with the resolution in effect. The ones who will contact the police will likely be the store managers to complain about HSM members formenting issues at their stores by taking photos and appearing in camo outfits. This has the potential to be a flashpoint between HSM and the local police.”
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Exactly. And in this case, the harm then goes to local businesses (mainly 7-11’s). This is the same kind of tactic anti-choice groups use to harass and intimidate women and womens’ clinics. Conduct surveillance, videotape, harass, be ever-present and act belligerent enough so that surrounding businesses no longer want your presence, the people seeking your services seek them elsewhere (or just don’t show up), and after a long campaign of harassment and intimidation - hope that the business/site closes down.
Textbook, anti-choice protesting MO.
Rod2155’s post was outstanding for it’s main commentary… civic minded people have bigger fish to fry, in essence… but his analogy to warlords is also a point well taken, perhaps a wake up call. I hesitate to use the “t” word also mentioned in Rod’s post because the word, like “patrotism,” has been so grossly misued by the other side that its meaning has been deformed.
Ironic, though, that the first public speech in PWC that deservedly draws such a comparison comes from the same discredited demagouge who hurled the “t” word and other accusations at peaceful advocates for simple equality under the law, and for humane, Consitutional treatment of those here without documentation.
KGott, I try not to defend Corey’s politics anymore, especially now that he’s gone off the deep end with the “7-to-1, Not! Adventure.” But we shouldn’t lose our sense of empathy as we navigate such divisive times. Even though Frankinstein created the Monster, I did want him to get away when the murderous fiend was chasing him across the arctic.
Heck, Elena’s even got me feeling sorry for Mr. Letiecq. We are so quick to judge people with mental disorders, but the truth is they are in many ways no more to blame than a person with a physical ailment for which they have not sought treatment either because they don’t see the dangers or they can’t afford it.
My God. You should read this, people, clones and anti-clones alike.
WHWN, I’m really against Jingoism and being a diest Muslim, I really don’t like bantering the”Big T” about idley, but in this case I feel it needed to be used. Albeit, PWC currently is not a hotbed of violent activity, but if Greg is left unchecked, and in essance becomes a Hamas type organization with an “allegedly” unconnected political and militant arm; This not only spells trouble for PWC, but for all of the Commonwealth. I’ve messed around on BVBL a little and I see that “The Rule Of Law” is being treated almost as a devine proclomation, and those who do not swear by it as a litnus test are quick to be portrait as the subversive enemy, reguardless of their stand on Illegal Immigration.
As with Afganistan under the Taliban, those who did not suscribe to the teaching of Wahab, were seen as the enemy, labled as being against Islam and the Prophet, bullied to submit to the Taliban rule and ulitmatly persecuted and killed. Many people who’s hearts and minds were not into the Taliban’s mandates, pledged allegence to them anyway out of fear for their lives.
How long will it be before business’ in PWC begin to suspect the Greg makes the laws and begin to support him monitarily to ensure their economic future, or from fear of boycott?
Greg may have a small army of hearts and minds now, what will happen if he gains a huge cash warchest? I don’t picture him running for any office, but he is the type who can buy lesser men and women to be in power to excercise his will.
It is the nature of evil to never commit any crimes by it’s own hands but through the hands of others, that way more innocent people can pay the penalty.
I back 9500 Liberty because they are giving scorching exposure of Greg’s true nature. People are begining to see the local tyrant for what he is. If anything, we all must unite to ensure his tyranny remains petty enough that his lost servents eventually turn on themselves.
As Pete Seeger’s banjo had written upon it…
“This machine surrounds hate and forces it to surrender”
On BVBL this morning Advocator had this to say “The time for talking, writing, and pleading with our elected leaders to do the right thing on this issue is rapidly coming to an end.” The issue, of course, is illegal immigration. What does he mean?
Yesterday Greg threatened the BOCS. Those who have the mindset of Advocator and Greg L. will not stop at anything to get what they want.
rod2155 said it well and eloquently.
Marie, I’ve begun to take screenshots of Advocator’s posts.
Rob2155, you are right about the use of the term “Rule of Law!” No wonder it’s always given me the creeps when elected officials use those same three words. It’s like a code that validates Help Save Manassas and their cult-like beliefs. As Gospel Greg’s power grew, they even changed the name of the Resolution from “Immigration” to “Rule of Law” … this was obviously intended to disguise the anti-immigrant genesis and intent of the Resolution (too late), but perhaps it was also to acknowledge the organization that wrote, backed, and demanded full funding of the legislation as well.
If public officials don’t stand up to them now, the rest of your worst-case scenario is possible. I have a feeling they will stand up, however, before we get to Taliban rule. This may be the South, but it’s not the 1950’s.
This could happen faster if only there was a tradition in this country to study history and learn from the past. If only it was a tradition in this COUNTY to study best practices and learn from CURRENT situations around the world where the same patterns have emerged. Someone has to say no to these people before they hurt someone or hurt themselves. But if not the Board of Supervisors, then who?
Funny, as I watched this “Send in the Clowns” came to mind…
Censoredbybvbl, Smart of you to get screen shots. Never know when you might need them.
WhereHereWhyNow, This may not be the 1950’s but I grew up in the 1950’s and I will tell you the sentiments are quite the same as they were then, just a different people group. I feel like I have gone back in time. I do hope you are right that we have public officials today will will stand up before we get the Taliban rule.
Turn PW,
thanks for the laugh! “send in the clowns…….. send in the clowns”
I just cant imagine that Greg has any other minions to do this kind of initmidation besides Robert Duecaster.
WhyHereWhyNow Says:
May 21st, 2008 at 10:05 am
Interesting, isn’t it.
“Riddle me this: what do you do with all those solicitations from the RNC asking for your hard-earned money? That’s the question that Joe over at NOVATownHall asked in his contest posted last evening, which I won on my first try. I win some free beverages and two hundred rounds of ammunition, which I will enjoy in quite obviously separate celebrations.”
What the hell does this mean? Greg has a post entitled “I Won”. Above is the first paragraph. What does “I win some free beverages and two hundred rounds of ammunition, which I will enjoy in quite obviously separate celebrations”
To get the post you have to check out novatownhallblog, where Joe B who is alarmingly fond of AK-47’s has posted a riddle competition which Greg won on hsi first try proving that mentally disturbed ego-maniacs think alike.
Joe B, in addition to widely being known as an ego-maniac and a lush, is also the head of Help Save Loudoun and the Honest Business Network there, which has about 5 businesses signed up.
Just what we need, armed and drunk Help Saves.
He’s a raving lunatic and who can figure what he’s talking about half the time?
Holy crap! Will someone PLEASE take this man in before it’s too late? Ever hear of VA TECH?
Lucky said: “Those with papers will work in a legal environment where the work is consistent as opposed to waiting in a parking lot for ever diminishing piece work that may not come.” Actually, I’ve heard that the 7/11’s have become regular places to pick up workers in general, legal and not. It’s easier and cheaper than going through temp agencies.
WHWN said: “We are so quick to judge people with mental disorders, but the truth is they are in many ways no more to blame than a person with a physical ailment for which they have not sought treatment either because they don’t see the dangers or they can’t afford it.” Problem too is that if someone doesn’t know to say, “Hey! You’re acting weird!” and bring them in for treatment, too many people don’t get it, or they get the wrong treatment. Then there are those who DO just refuse treatment which is dangerous.
Rod said: “I don’t picture him running for any office” I do! And THAT is SCARY!
@KG
“Rod said: “I don’t picture him running for any office” I do! And THAT is SCARY!”
Well, if he did run, he would alienate a fair amount of voters with his website alone. You don’t publicize/publish the nonsense he does and expect to win an election…especially after he has been named a Nativist.
There is plenty he has done that would prohibit him from holding office.
Now, if the voters come election time could be reminded of how some of our “delegates” are so closely linked to that @sshat GL, we may even get a change in office - and yes, I do have in mind Jackson Miller. Never was I SO RIGHT in asking him to leave my property a few years ago when he came campaigning.
Balance what, exactly? Do you not realize that Eric let Greg L’s words stand for themselves? That video showed his oratory in its entirety. No editing, no splicing, other than real-time inserts of Corey and Maureen listening. If you don’t like how Greg was “portrayed,” well, seems to me your issue is really with Greg and Eric was only the messenger. Heck, cable channel 23 has him saying the same thing.
The only balance possible would be a psychiatric defense: not guilty by reason of insanity.
And I’ll suggest that the silly HSM sticker has magically morphed into Greg’s cloak of invincibility. Or maybe he’s just adopted a new “lovie” at the mid-point of his life.
He must have cases of those stickers in his basement. Just another reminder of the $14,000 in personal debt he claims to have run up during this crusade, and that Help Save Virginia refuses to reimburse.
I don’t know what is worse,someone who advocate vigilantism in front of the BOCS or Corey Stewart endorsing it’s thru his silence. Like I stated before the voter need to recall Corey Stewart or barring that, let the rest of the board know that vigilante justice needs to condemn in the strongest of terms.
CA,
I stated the ‘balance’ right in the post. A video of the day labor sites. I mean just stand back and video the activities for 10 minutes. No interviews, no close ups, just observe the happenings for all to view and make their own opinions. I’m not making an opinion on the video, but you could see that Eric was hoping for some expression from Corey that he could capture and use to his advantage. I mean, why all the zooms on Corey? He says little during Citizens Time anyway. In other words, it’s a setup! Face it, if I created a list of just the derogatory quotes from the posts here, then you folks would also seem mentally unbalanced.
Good for you Not Me, Bubba. I had to ask him to leave as well. He is a Gregolite.
SA, you might see a LOT of things here, but you never see people endorsing violence.
You can be crazy and innocuous. You can also be crazy and dangerous. IMHO, GL is in that second category.
@ SecondAlamo
21. May 2008, 14:48
“”I’m not making an opinion on the video, but you could see that Eric was hoping for some expression from Corey that he could capture and use to his advantage.”"
1:26-1:32 Corey (knowing exchange of glances)
@ Marie:
What I found most distasteful about his doorstep campaign was his immediate launch into the “illegals” problem. Now, as many here have read, I am not entirely opposed to the resolution and I do not favor amnesty for the illegals. However, his immediate launch into the “illegals” problem rubbed me the wrong way - especially since we happened to be living on a street with quite a few Hispanic families. I knew he wasn’t going to their doors and pitching the same spiel. I felt as if he was hoping to garner votes from a white family who didn’t like “other” people. I didn’t want that crap on my front porch, and certainly NOT in my living room.
So I let him know what I thought of his campaign fliers with their grotesque displays of religion, mysogyny and basic contempt for people who don’t toe the modern Republican line. I think I also told him to try his “illegal” campaign pitch at every home in the neighborhood. He got a little snotty and asked me if I voted for the party, not the person and I replied to him that I saw very little difference from what he put out in his “fliers” and the current extremist conservatism that has dammaged and divided this country.
Amazingly enough he came back to our home last year before the elections. I refused to answer the door. And for his sake, he should be glad as well, for I would have gone off on him yet again. But I can see why GL and his gang think so highly of Saint Miller. They answered to all of his dog whistle calls.
FYI, there are two other videos posted on 9500Liberty to provide some balance. Together, the three videos pretty much sum up what went on vis a vis the Resolution.
Not Me Bubba,
I had a similar conversation with Mr. Miller. He was a City Councilman before he was elected to the House of Delegates. I worked for the City at the time and so I knew him and his politics. He was instrumental, along with Greg L., in drafting the “Definition of Family Resolution” in the City which landed the City in a lot of hot water for unfair housing practices. Actually, a class action law suit was filed and was in the courts for about 3 years. Unfortunatley or fortunately how ever you look at it, many of the Hispanics targeted for having legitmate relatives living with them were either citizens or legal residents. In addtion, they were not in overcrowded situations. I think the suit has been dismissed but there will be many civil suits. It always amazes me that some like Greg and Mr. Miller want more laws and resolutions rather than having the ordinances and laws on the books enforced.
Mr. Miller is cut from the same piece of cloth as Greg L. and they have a long history. I have heard when he is in town he attends the HSM meetings, but of course that is hearsay. I do not know if he is a member.
I am not entirely opposed to the resolution either but the ADC already has a 287(g) agreement and has been checking status of anyone detained. If here without papers then there is an ICE detainer applied. I do not want police officers to be ICE agents. I would prefer them to do their job and let the ADC take care of the ICE issues.
This is such a complicated issue. I wish I knew the answers. I just know that people are people and should be treated with dignity and respect. I get very concerned when I hear some of the things Greg or his sidekick R. Duecaster have to say.
As long as we have a country, we will have folks like Greg.
He has his chance to rant, and he will be judged on what his rant is.
Right now, I think its the 2008 equivalent of the KKK burning crosses in churchyards
I just listened carefully to the video once again. At NO time does Greg mention anything about any action other than documenting the existence of day labor sites, and forwarding the info to authorities. Wether I’m for or against Greg, where in the heck did you hear any proposal for the use of violence by members of HSM or anyone else? Please quote the section from the video, and if I’m wrong I’ll never post here again! You folks have post after post about violence, and it’s obviously all of your making. Please listen again and tell me, don’t add you words, but tell me exactly what was so terrible unless the word document strikes fear in your hearts.
Marie-”I had a similar conversation with Mr. Miller. He was a City Councilman before he was elected to the House of Delegates. I worked for the City at the time and so I knew him and his politics. He was instrumental, along with Greg L., in drafting the “Definition of Family Resolution””
Please tell everyone where you got your facts from.
” Unfortunatley or fortunately how ever you look at it, many of the Hispanics targeted for having legitmate relatives living with them were either citizens or legal residents.”
And how are you privey to this info?
SA, my personal reference to violence doesn’t have to do with this video. It was just a general statement contrasting the language used here (how ever annoying some people might find it) with the launguage of warfare and threats used by GL and company. Just wanted to clear that up in case your comment was directed towards me.
Red Dawn - a song comes to mind watching this video “Slip Slidin’ Away”
SA - you are correct there are no overt references to violence. He only states that the police are “unwilling” to enforce the law and if government fails him/us it fall on citizens to document and such…..
He should go for it. Go photograph, go report - why does he have to wait for ‘government to fail him’??? I say he should just do it. He should put on his cammo’s and march on and make phone calls.
I would imagine the IRS would be delighted to speak with him!
@Anon-100
Well it was all public information regarding the issues of the families who filed the suits against the City. Mr. Miller went into great detail about “Definition of Family Issue” when he was a City Councilman. Greg spoke at many Council Meetings during Citizen Time. Everything I know came from public hearings, public meetings and newspapers. These are not secrets.
Marie, So how do you know that the people who filed suit are LEGAL? You can’t tell by looking at someone and I don’t ever recall seeing anywhere the legal status of the folks who filed suit. Also you made a specific comment on how “Greg” was instrumental in drafting the “Definition of Family Resolution”
No love feast here for G.L., but when you make a statement like this one, you should be able to back it up.
This is an excellent opportunity for a disagreement about immigration to evolve into (gasp) a discussion with factual basis.
Anon-100 theories that no one in Manassas or PWC who lives under crowded conditions is a legal citizens, resident alien, or otherwise documented individual.
Marie claims that there are records proving the opposite.
Someone must have the facts on their side. There must be a way to find out.
Since the Immigration Resolution first introduced in June 2006 was based on assumptions such as the one that Anon-100 is making, perhaps we could ask the County government to (gasp) research it.
Better late than never.
Oops, I mean June 2007.
Jackson Miller’s anti-family ordinance was 2006.
rod2155, 21. May 2008, 8:46
Where exactly does he do this in the video? I know I’m tired tonight, but unless I slept through it, I did not hear him say any such thing. There is not even a hint of talk of violence (”brute force” as you put it). You certainly have a vivid imagination, but could you have possibly mixed any more metaphors here?
I repeatedly see attempts in this forum to make it sound like Greg and HSM are for violence. It is nothing more than an attempt to put fear into everyone’s minds. I am no supporter of Greg, but every week or so there are posts making it sound like violence is imminent, just to try and whip everyone up into some kind of frenzy! One could indeed string together all these posts, and it would make some people sound truly paranoid or at least have extremely active imaginations. All I got from that video was that the day laborer sites would be monitored and reported to authorities. I didn’t see any reference to potential attacks on those sites - all I saw was monitoring and reporting. This blog is at times just as extreme (but in the opposite direction) as Greg’s. These attempts to stir up fear of some imminent violence - it makes one wonder what some people’s agendas are to try and do something like that.
Just when I think there’s meaningful discussion happening on here, it goes back to these kinds of posts trying to instill fear and paranoia in everyone’s minds.
Vigilantism is frightening, especially when it is motivated by hate or resentment toward a particular race or class of people. This cannot be argued. I’m sorry, but it cannot. As many have rightly pointed out, we are just not that evolved as a people to hear citizens threaten public officials that they will “take the law into their own hands” without expressing some concern. If you have no regard for the potential targets of this “operation,” there are some in this community who do. And, if you have no regard for those of us who do, you can at least come to terms with the fact that historically, vigilante groups have added little to our society, and cost us much.
The only question here, is how seriously should we take these threats?
I for one, don’t take them that seriously. Army uniform and threats to bring guns to labor sites notwithstanding, let’s not forget that these people were political activists before they were hate-mongers. And it simply would not serve their interests to do something against the law.
For my two cents, they are simply expressing their frustration and trying to intimidate the Board, knowing that the ship has sailed and there is little else they can do.
But there is nothing wrong with being cautious, and taking these threats seriously. I’m sure that local and federal law enforcement is doing so, as well they should.
I’m still not seeing where the “threats” lie. The power many here are ascribing to Greg L. is making him seem almost legendary. He is being built up into some huge bogeyman with enormous mind-control powers. Unless Eric Byler can catch Greg on film peforming a Vulcan mind-meld, I think I’ll just see Greg as a very vocal citizen with strong opinions and some influential friends.
Honestly, I find the three Presidential candidates much scarier than Greg and his supposed “vigilante group.” You’re making him larger than life, and he must be loving it.
Emma,
Exactly right on the “larger than life” comment. Why feed his ego? Let’s move on.
I’m not sure if it’s doing Gospel Greg’s ego any good to be psychoanalyzed along with the usual ridicule (of which I have been no small contributor). If you’re not concerned, as I said, it is your right. For a long time many Americans didn’t worry about global warming very much. Some doubted the science since the oil companies also had their science, etc. You are certainly free to accept without questioning anything that supports your belief system and discount anything that challenges it. There may be some who celebrate Greg’s threats … and yes they are threats … because they discredit him politically. But others are genuinely concerned. I might be in the former category, except for the fact that I’m beginning to wonder if he does indeed have some type of personality or mental disorder, in which case we need to deal with him more cautiously.
I don’t understand why Greg and Duecaster are talking about acts of vigilantism. Perhaps they are trying to stay relevant. But truth be told, they deserve to be relevant. After all, they DID hijack our government for the better part of a year.
Also, they are relevant because Gospel Greg is planning a Crusade through the rest of Virginia and into Maryland. If the Duecaster Disaster tags along, they could easily destroy the economy, the reputation, and the social environment in some other unsuspecting town … one that doesn’t already think of them as liars and hate-mongers.
I can only think of one strategic advantage to calling for shovels, pitchforks, military uniforms, cameras, and guns:
They are interested in provoking a conflict with someone, anyone, who happens to be Hispanic, preferably someone they can argue is probably undocumented (allowing, for the sake of argument, that there is a distinction in their minds). If they can snap a photo in which a Hispanic looking person gives them the finger or spits at them or shoves them or punches them, they think they will have a publicity opportunity to… I don’t know, demand another Resolution, this one about day laborers.
This agenda is evidenced by the fact that, last winter, when they tried such an exercise and no such act was committed, one of the female clones apparently decided to make something up. (She told so many conflicting tall tales to the police that they had no difficulty believing her, but that didn’t stop her from slandering some imaginary “illegal” at Citizens’ Time).
Of course if anything really does happen, Gospel Greg and the Duecaster Disaster will have provided mountains of evidence on line and in person that they set out to provoke just such an event.
So, it’s a bonehead play. But they are angry and desperate, and, it’s all they have. Given the rapidly accelerating evaporation of what ever credibility they might have had left, even with their fellow extremists who formerly respected them, they don’t have anything much to lose.
Not me Bubba,
Some woman appeared before the BOCS a number of months ago and ‘claimed’ that her car was jostled at one of the Woodbridge Day Labor 7-11s. She also claimed someone exposed himself to her. I do not think anyone believed her.
It sounds to me like he is putting the BOCS on notice that he is preparing to ready his troops to go out and stir up crap at Coverstone or Route 1 7-11 in the very near future. I sincerely hope he gets arrested.
I agree with you about anti-choice tactics. Same group different issue is my thoughts on the matter. We should talk some time.
WHWN, don’t be so quick to declare Corey innocent. I believe he knew all about GG’s presentation to the board before it happened. Did you watch his face carefully? He should never play poker. It is all contrived.
I also wouldn’t call GG a Mr. Mom. A Mr. Mom has a working wife and is involved with his kids. I seriously doubt he does his fair share.
Elena, of course he has other minions to do the dirty work. Some are behind the scenes people and some are not. Don’t forget the special training classes.
SA and anon: inferences. One would be remiss not to notice certain inferences. GG is too smart to make explicit statements, I think. Go check out the target practice remarks by GG. Again, inferences.
Junkyard dog,
As far as declaring Corey innocent, I’m not sure where I did that on this thread. Tell me if you have a specific beef and I’ll be glad to engage you. I did defend him last fall and during the first few months of this year. But recently I have been very critical of him, starting with the Chief Deane attack which, for me, was the last straw. I think he’s finished as a politician.
I was very confused by the “7 to 1″ promise Corey made on Monday. My predictions and interpretations that night and the next morning were all over the place, I’ll admit. But one of them was that Corey knew he didn’t have the votes, but he was just making a show to appease Gospel Greg, to make it look like he did his best.
With this interpretation in mind, I watched this video and it really looked to me like Corey was wishing Greg would move to some other town and bully some other Chairman. He looked like he was going to throw up.
Maybe I am wrong to feel like I can read Corey. But I do know him, and I knew him when he was, believe it or not, a humble person and a moderate. My honest interpretation of Corey’s emotions in the video is that he’s afraid of what Gospel Greg might do. I’m not saying he’s afraid for some noble reason like wanting to protect the community (even though, if anyone knows the depths of Greg’s dementia, it’s got to be Corey).
No, I think he’s afraid of what Greg might do because he knows he has been irrevocable tied to him in the eyes of voters, the media, his colleagues, the world, etc. The more infamous Gospel Greg becomes, the more damaging he is to Corey’s reputation, to his pride, and to his future prospects as a public servant.
I mean look, I could fully condemn Corey like everyone else, but then again, it’s already being said by everyone else, so why repeat it? The only semi-credible person who comes on here to defend Corey is Tom Kopko … the only man on earth who deserves as much blame for what happened to Corey as Gospel Greg, but that’s another story.
Oh, and what did you mean by target practice remarks?
Question for 9500Liberty: What happened to the day laborers’ incident video in which Greg shows up wearing army fatigues to 7-11 and then later threatens to return with a gun? That video will help illuminate why this citizens’ time is so ominous.
Actually, it’s a combination of details in addition to this video that disturb me: it’s the day laborers’ video, his association with the Robert “we’re going to repel this invasion one way or another” Duecaster, his battle cry in Richmond in which he compares HSM to an army, and his association with the Virginia Citizens Defense League, the nutty gun lobby group to the right of the NRA. Greg really sounds like a militia guy. He tried lobbying for legislation and when that weapon achieve the desired outcome, he’s going to revert to what he knows from the past: militant action.
What troubles me is that not only does Corery Stewart bully his resolution thru but he than sit back and said nothing when someone said that he will take the law in his own hands Even the dullest of person say easily figure within second that this resolution not only bankrupt the count but simply will not work Afterall, who believes that anyone deported as a result of this will not cross the borders agian because they know that there will a job waiting for him/her once they make it back to the county.
Has anyone ever heard the term ‘citizen’s arrest’? Citizens are allowed to take certain actions when law enforcement is no where to be found. After the tragedy of 9-11 anyone in this country illegally should be scrutinized. The Potomac News just printed a story in the Police Briefs section of three American flags being burned in Manassas Park while attached to peoples homes. I’m not saying illegals did it, but it does raise concerns. The person or persons that did this were obviously anti-American, and that is concerning.
“The only question here, is how seriously should we take these threats?”
Um, I take them VERY sersiouly when they are directed at ME?
From GL’s email to me:
“My first inclination in these cases is usually to hit back hard,”
“all it took for me to set aside my natural tendencies to be combative,”
“We raise the level of the debate before it risks going into some potentially disturbing territory,”
“It took me several days of reflection and prayer to arrive at this as perhaps the best means of resolving this problem.”
“He can tell you from personal experience what it’s like to try this tack with me”
Since I’ve never MET GL (and have no desire to do so) and he contacted me TWICE personally (when I have NEVER contacted him) I consider this a threat and did report it to the police.
I’ve known enough mentally ill people who are indeed dangerous to spot the warning signs. At least those negative experiences amount now to some good.
This man needs to be taken seriously.
Second Alamo, are you talking about citizens enforcing federal immigration law? Or loitering laws? If loitering laws, a person who tries to make that arrest may find himself/herself on the other end of a lawsuit if the property owner doesn’t care if someone loiters. I hope you’re not talking about GG actually trying to detain an individual.
As for the flag burnings, it seems a perfect ploy by some anti-illegal immigrant nutball to stir up the masses. I certainly don’t rule that out.
@Anon-101
I said “Unfortunatley or fortunately how ever you look at it, MANY of the Hispanics targeted for having legitmate relatives living with them were either citizens or legal residents.” I never said ALL. Bottom line unfair housing practices took place. HUD thought so and turned it over to the Justice Dept. It matters not whether many or all were legal or documented. What matters is what happened. There were articles in the Manassas Journal Messenger about the issue. So none of this is top secret information.
Both PWC and Manassas City need to be careful regarding the policies/resolutions that are enacted. Both localities need to quit listening to Greg L. He has had far too much influence on the decisions of both governing bodies. Now he has threatened the BOCS. What will be next? After reading his “I Win” post again this morning there is even a more disturbing post by him in a reply to Nick. He may be joking but I do not take those jokes lightly. He is dangerous.
This is what Greg wrote recently:
“I win some free beverages and two hundred rounds of ammunition, which I will enjoy in quite obviously separate celebrations”
He was asked to specify what he meant by that and this is what he responded:
Greg L said on 21 May 2008 at 8:07 pm:
Nick,
Oh, the possibilities… Maybe some hydra-shocks in .45? nah, I’ll be nice and settle for four boxes of UMC, in .45 hardball of course, since you practice with what you carry.
Oh, and for all you anti-gunners out there, the reason I’m looking forward to some free target practice is that it helps me maintain a proficiency in putting .45 caliber slugs consistently in an area approximating someone’s forehead at a distance of twenty yards with my UGLY looking Kimber Pro-Carry 1911 Model. That pistol even has night sights powered by Trituim gas, so not only is it an UGLY BLACK DEATH-DEALING MACHINE DESIGNED FOR MILITARY USE, BUT IT’S FRIGGIN NUCLEAR, BABY.
Hopefully, that popping sound you hear are liberal’s heads exploding as they read this.
Who do you think they were talking when this was posted:
# Tyler Durden said on 21 May 2008 at 11:16 pm:
Lemme know when you go pop caps, Greg. I’ll bring some silhouettes of the fat broads.
# Greg L said on 21 May 2008 at 11:35 pm:
Nah, that wouldn’t be nice. The standard black silhouettes are what I use.
I don’t know about you guys but these people are crazy
TH
You are correct. They are crazy.
I can only assume he is talking about the admin’s of this blog. They have been referred to in other posts as the “fat broads”. Of course, they are beautiful and voluptous women.
I am conducting a text mining analysis of the BVBL website and whenever they talk about the two ladies helping with this website, the BVBL people refer to them as the fat broads.
I worry when people talk about using guns and make references to pictures of Alanna and Elena
They are shameful, just like our BOS with the kids and seniors!
Hey TH,
We are not anti gun in my home.
It is disturbing, but I am not worried that anyone would act on it. Doesn’t scare me, I am perfectly capable of responding in like to anyone that would threaten me or my family
Marie,
Thank you! XXXOOO
OK, just to keep you posted!
Oh boy is he ever needy, baby. Someone commit that man….
The criminally insane are far more dangerous than just the criminal. SA, I would think that although there are no overt statements of violence, the majority of people agree he is borderline crazy. Add that together with veiled comments and you have your really dangerous situations.
Let him go do something, hope it explodes, pray no one is hurt and it will be over finally. He can spend some time at the ADC - they will run him through 287(g) as well. Wonder if they would have to provide him extra protection from the other inmates????
Regarding the comments about the women, just remember any therapist would tell you those statements are more reflective of the speaker’s state of mind than the intended recipient.
We are not anti gun in our home either.
TH -
Only really stupid firearm owners brag about their arsenal online - especially when the one bragging is a well-known public figure.
Either that or he is trying desperately to compensate for something he …um…lacks.
Thanks for me keeping me posted TH!
I apologize to KGott and to everyone here for not taking Gospel Greg’s threats as seriously as I should have. I’m stunned by what I’ve read above about ammunition and target practice. Really sad for the whole county. I’ll be sharing this information with proper authorities.
Let’s not forget his menacing minions!
DHS (as much as a joke as it is with dealing with international terrorist’s) has tried to compensate by going after the Home Growns. DHS has no love for these HELP SAVES and would sure appreciate any evidence to give them a reason to bust up the orginazations nationally.
I kind of think Greg L is just baiting all of you and intentionally making comments about firing rounds of ammunition at targets on his blog. You are all falling to the bait, and he must be having a good laugh at your expense. Again, I’m no supporter of him, but I find some of the comments here and in other threads bordering on extreme paranoia. It is funny when there are discussions of mental illness on here, as I think some people here need a reality check when they start saying things about armies being formed, and people with guns and so on. While I will agree if Greg is joking some of it is not funny, i think he is doing it on purpose knowing you read his blog and enjoying then seeing the comments that you post on here. So you should all think of that. Again, nothing in what he said at the BOCS meeting appeared to me to be other than monitoring and reporting. How is that different than 9500 Liberty videotaping? Wait - I forgot, they won’t videotape a day laborer site to show the mess that it is, that would be too much fair and balanced reporting!
Give me an address of a laborer center and I will take a camera. I don’t live in the area so i need something that I can find in Google maps.
Only someone named “anon” would come on here to defend Gospel Greg and diminish cause for concern of those who have been directly threatened. That’s rather low of you anon, low class and despicable. The fact that there are people out there who think like you, by the way, does not speak well for Gospel Greg. On the contrary, it reveals just how dangerous and damaging he can be, because there are others among us who will follow any person, propagate any lie, and allow for any tactic that helps achieve a political end.
“Anon” if you are a real person and not yet another apparition of Gospel Greg’s self-generated following on BVBL, then you must be able to recognize that he’s sunk to the low of threatening and encouraging confrontations if not violence among his disciples.
The fact that you, “anon,” if you are a real person, are willing to defend vigilantism and threats of gun violence, makes the situation look worse, not better, for Gospel Greg. And, it hurts the cause of supporting the Immigration Resolution. Unless you have other reason to throw in with Greg, I suggest you stop trying to “help” him.
I already said I am no supporter of him. I have reasons for not identifying myself given the problems I’m having in my current neighborhood. Actually, I have found you very willing to be “on the attack” to anyone who seems to have any support for the resolution. Quite frankly, the negative tone of your comments above, with words like low class and despicable, is in and of itself extremely low class and despicable! I never said I was willing to defend the things you accuse me of. In the past you accused me of posting on BVBL - I’ve never posted there. Your posts are full of baseless accusations, and come across very harsh and mean. I am not trying to “help him” and even stated that I don’t agree with him and don’t defend him, in my above post. But you read past that and made a bunch of baseless accusations, and called me low class and despicable! This is not the first time you’ve attacked me here, and I’m finally saying I’ve had enough of it. In fact, fine, I’m leaving this board. If you lived next to what lives next to me - you would be supportive of the resolution. In fact the night after the police arrested the alleged rapist, several people moved out, and now several new people moved in during the middle of the night. Anyway, I don’t care any more I’m moving out - and I guess I should stop posting here as it won’t be my problem if as the result of things here - neighborhoods like mine go even more to hell.
And I did say if he was joking I didn’t find it particularly funny either - but you accuse me of defending that! I’m done arguing with you - you didn’t even read what I said carefully and jumped all over me and made a bunch of baseless accusations that I support Greg, which I don’t - I find much of what is on his blog disgusting. I came over here hoping to find a balanced, reasonable discussion, but instead anyone who has just a hint of supporting the resolution, is jumped all over on. In fact, on my first post here I was told to “crawl back to my sumhole” when all I did was say I supported the resolution due to the problems in my neighborhood, which I’ve discussed in great length here.
Well, guess you got your wish (although it wasn’t you that made that post but someone equally shrill on here who thinks they can call people names and things like that) - so that’s where I’m going.
So don’t worry - you won’t see any other posts by “anon”! In fact, I hope when I move out of my neighborhood, it goes real downhill. I already had a thief and a rapist (alleged) living next to me. The thief clearly was an illegal, as he had no ID to show to the police, and fled the scene (moved out in the middle of the night) before I could return home and identify stolen property. Why the police didn’t take him in when another neighbor identified him as runinng from my house, I have no clue.
So I am justifyably angered, and I bet if this happened to you, you would be angry too.
Well, I’ve said everything I wanted to say here, and since you have jumped on me before, and did it again, and someone else here did on my very first post - you all are getting your wishes. Why don’t you move into my townhouse and see if you can educate the fine folks next to me about how stealing from a neighbor’s house is not such a nice thing to do. It is more than likely that others in that house were involved, but the neighbor could only positively ID one of them.
Anon, there are so many “anon’s” here that I honestly don’t know where you live or where you stand. I don’t think it’s fair to expect anyone to recall which anon you are and which anon you aren’t. I’m sorry I offended you but, remember, YOU are the only person who knows who you are. The rest of us are just responding to your words, which, at least on this thread, seem to be dumping on people who have been directly threatened while supporting the one who is doing the threatening. Perhaps I’m reading in to you “anon,” but that doesn’t sound like a thinker with sound priorities. I don’t care what side of the issue you are on.
Well, I’m sorry anon. I hope you’ll come back with a new name. I think the issues you are dealing with are serious problems. I don’t think Greg Letiecq is the answer to those problems. That’s my only quarrel with you.
OK, fair enough. But I never ever said Greg L is the answer to my problems. While I support most aspects of the resolution, I do not in any way support a lot of what Greg L says or does.
okay. sorry again.
The gun issue is as big a hot button as is immigration. The open carry crowd has been vocal locally including the stupidly (IMO) staged show at Tony’s Pizza, a family restaurant. To be an effective leader for the Immigration Resolution Greg really should be careful of what else he says or supports publically whether on BVBL , at the BOCS meetings, or at HSM. He makes it hard to tease out which opinions are his and which are the organization he represents. He’s showing little sense in what he’s willing to say publically.
Although I don’t think he’s planning on visiting the 7-11s with violence in mind, he has the type of personality that would allow a bad situation easily to escalate. I saw the video where the day laborers said that he returned to the 7-11 in camo or military fatigues. What was that all about if not to intimidate? Was the next step returning with a gun? If so, that’s stupid even if he has a permit to carry one. All it takes is some stupid blunder during some confrontation to allow an accident to happen. Add more stupid people to the scenario and it increases the chances.
Anon - seems to be standard procedure for WhyHereWhyNow, I stopped posting here weeks ago because I was called a racist (not by WHWN) for supporting the resolution. My first post in weeks WhyHereWhyNow called me a clone, a minion, and some other things. This is why many people are turned off to this site, any difference of opinion and your automatically a racist, a member of HSM, a BVBL supporter, Greg, a clone of Greg, or what ever else they can think of.
Anon, you don’t “bait” by threatening people.
And ELENA FAT?????? Or even BIG???? Come on. Elena, I would lOVE to have your figure! What’s he talking about?
But okay. Let’s get back to the real scary thing.
Personally, I don’t feel like being shot at and there’s no doubt in my mind he will do it at some point to someone. Someone should arrest him just on the basis of his postings.
BTW, I’m fat but I’m not violent. That gives me (and a hell of a lot of other people) a one-up on GL and his buds.
kgotthardt - So there is no such thing as free speech now? I’m not defending him in any way (Ill also add that what he said was wrong an I don’t agree with any of it). However, in the US we do have something called free speech, no matter how much your or I dislike what was said arresting him because of it isn’t very “American”. I doubt that Greg is going to go out and start shooting people, let get serious.