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For every person who has ever said, “You don’t have any proof that the BOCS has direct connections with Stirrup and Stewart!” this video is it.

So who will bring Stewart and Stirrup up on charges?

Let the official investigations begin!

DUH I meant HSM, not BOCS! (You don’t want ME typing up the investigation LOL.)

Must be those G words. It sounds like Corey has a real BAD gorilla that needs to be put back in his cage.

Corey can’t have it both ways. Either he supports Greg or he doesn’t! I mean, give me break! Corey sent Greg his fellow supervisors PERSONAL e-mails when they expressed their concern about corey’s rant regarding Chief Deane. That clear connection between Corey and Greg is undeniable now with his actions regarding Chief Deane. I am sure there are lots of interesting facts that will come out with the FOIA.

No one is asking Corey to stop the blog or the internet! We are asking him to show some leadership regarding the hate that is growing within our community and to identify WHY it is growing. Let’s not forget his reaction to the open letter from the reverends and priests. He told them to mind their own business and stay out of politics. Since when did worrying about our fellow human beings become strictly a political issue.

Thank you Eric and Annabel for a great video!

Well done clip. Maybe too well done since it doesn’t hint at the scale of the problem this represents. Have a look at the SPLC web cite and check out the characterization of Greg LT. I looked at several of the other Nativists on their list and I have to say that while none of them appeal to me our local boy comes off (to my mind) as particularly sinister. The fact that he is observably intertwined with Chairman Stewart — have they really been seen texting each other during BOCS meetings? — makes all of this even more disgusting.

Regardless of all else there is nothing in any of this that might hint at a willingness to consider easing up, moving toward understanding, attempting any sort of reconcilliation or even considering a cooling off period.

Love the footage of M. Caddigan! When I read my bit before the board I thought I observed her subtle affirmation and buy-in. I’m now convinced I was reading the signals accurately. She is not happy about the direction any of this is taking. Too bad we don’t also have the footage with the ICE Officials telling the Board this is not what they agreed to do, that the current action far exceeds what they anticipated.

So, bottom line. A really frigthening wake up call for the county and the region at large. Well done 9500. Spread this one as widely as you can!

John Stirrup is equally as dangerous as Corey Stewart, just much smater. He pushes Corey’s buttons and then hides behind him until the shouting is over.

Greg is a huge racist and Elena is to be commended for calling Corey Stewart on the carpet.

I WAS VERY OFFENDED WHEN COREY-STIRRUP AND LETIECQ HELD A JOINT PRESS CONFERENCE A FEW DAYS AFTER THE INITIAL RESOLUTION WAS PASSED. IT IS CLEAR THEY ARE CONNECTED……PUPPETS!! I HAVE ALSO HEARDS THAT COREY HASS HELD AN OFFICIAL POSITION WITH HSM….LIKE V.P.

Kenneth,
I am not sure about that. I know John Stirrup is a member, but I don’t think that Corey is actually “officially” anything of HSM.

Billybob Fencemender, this is the clip with ICE stating that they over committed themselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbvLH1n8YlM

Welcome Billyboy and thank you!

I had several conversations with Corey, way back, when this immigration fiasco was exploding, I was honest with him, our conversations were really good, I thought he was listening…..each time. But after we would talk, he would be quoted in the newspapers, ratcheting up the rhetoric, the exact behavior I had strongly urged him to stop doing. The sad thing is, I like Corey, I don’t believe he actually buys this immigration hysteria, it is just a convienent political tool for him to exploit. I supported him in his first bid for Chairman, had a sign the size of billboard on my property for him. I had great hopes he would be on the right side of stopping over development, on the right side of land conservation. The second time he ran I did not support him, I wrote two opinion letters coming out very strongly against the resolution and specifically against Corey and John S for their active participation in the process of the resolution.

Welcome Billybob fencemender too! Thought you and billyboy were the same until I read a litte more closely

Billybob Fencemender said: “Too bad we don’t also have the footage with the ICE Officials telling the Board this is not what they agreed to do, that the current action far exceeds what they anticipated.”

I think we do have that footage, tell me if this video contains what you were talking about.

You said you spoke at Citizens’ Time. Have we posted your remarks? Would you like us to?

Corey Stewart chose poor political allies.

So Corey Stewart and that weird looking Greg guy worked together toward a common goal. BFD

“Corey can’t have it both ways. Either he supports Greg or he doesn’t! I mean, give me break!”

Or the Manassas City Council or Jackson Miller for that matter… Those elected officials who haven’t actively supported or befriended Greg are labeled corrupt and harassed in his postings. This is evidenced by his diatribes against every elected official in Manassas Park.

Corey Stewart may not be able to control free speech or what is posted on the BVBL or the Anti-BVBL Blogs but he can certainly disassociate himself from Greg L and HSM. In my opinion HSM and Greg L are very, very dangerous. I would call for all members of the BOCS and the City of Manassas Council who are connected to or have membership in HSM to resign membership in HSM and to disassociate themselves from that group.

Thank you Eric and Annabel. Thank you Alanna and thank you Elena. I applaud each of you for your stand and for your courage.

Two things I learned from reading comments here:

1. Ice complained to the BOCS.
2. Stirrup is actually a member of HSM.

Now, someone tell me why these two are still on the BOCS?

I wanted to vote for Stewart in the first election because I thought he would stop development. Well, he sure has done that. He’s wrecked our businesses and any race relations we might have had with immigrants.

Anyone know how to press charges against these two and bring them into court?

It’s about time the judicial system and the legislative system did some work instead of just sicking enforcement on everyone (via the executive branch). Don’t we have three branches of government to maintain checks and balances in this country?

I agree Marie, if the head of a group is labeled a Nativist by a very credible hate watch group like SPLC, any elected official should officially distance themselves from such a group and such a person. I guess suggesting people are dog food doesn’t bother them enough to end their relationship.

I don’t recall Corey denouncing HSM members supporting his re-election.

A lot has changed since then. Apparently, he is trying to distance himself from both. But at the same time he is trying to deflect some of the criticism by blaming the ‘internet’ or ‘anonymous posters’.

Mr. Stewart has chosen to simply disagree with SPLC. I recall he stated something to the effect that “if GL was, I would not associate with him”. That is a bit arrogant. It’s not what Mr. Stewart thinks!!!

And correct Ruby, he hasn’t and won’t.

As stated earlier, this is Mr Stewarts moment to make a decision about where he stands. Let’s hope he’s seen the light. The persistance in not acknowledging these errors will be the downfall not the fact that errors in judgement or assocation were made.

Alanna,
There has been dramatic change I would say. “The Blame Game” is definately being played here. I think Corey has a chance to turn the public opinion of him around provided he stays focused on the good of the ENTIRE COUNTY and not just those beating the same ole drums. Or should I say beating their chests.(staying with the gorilla theme)

Juturna,
It takes a BIG PERSON to admit the error of the ways. I too hope he has seen the light. Then maybe we can move forword in PWC!
I didn’t see your post before I posted.

He needs to drop the persistance.

I don’t even demand Mr. Stewart admit he made a mistake. I just want him to STOP making the same mistakes. I have seen no indication that is going to happen. In fact, I agree with Alanna. He wants to somehow blame internet use and anonymous posters on a situation that could easily be controlled by someone he has chosen to align himself with.

That dog won’t hunt anymore. He has been called out over the company he keeps.

Little did we know all the obfuscation involved with THE Resolution was really just a case of good and bad Gorillas in the Mist.

Correction: good and bad 800 pound gorillas in the mist.

Elena wrote: “I had several conversations with Corey, way back, when this immigration fiasco was exploding, I was honest with him, our conversations were really good, I thought he was listening…..each time. But after we would talk, he would be quoted in the newspapers, ratcheting up the rhetoric, the exact behavior I had strongly urged him to stop doing. The sad thing is, I like Corey, I don’t believe he actually buys this immigration hysteria, it is just a convienent political tool for him to exploit.”

I too agree that Corey isn’t motivated, like some in HSM, by a seething anger born out of bigotry. He is as you said, a political opportunist. And in some ways, this is just as immoral. Who is more immoral…the bigot or those who profit by him? the slave master who thinks blacks are subhuman or those who profit by the slave trade and don’t care if an injustice is done as long as they get paid? One of the fundamental aspects of our legal system is that when a murder is committed, not only is the murderer guilty, but so are those who furnished the weapon and knew it would be used in a crime. What is Corey Stewart if not a willing weapon in the hands of the bigots of HSM? (and I don’t think they’re all bigots) What a disgrace that this man would sell the honor of his office, and to a degree the honor of our county, in exchange for some cheap votes and a shot at higher office. In the name of justice we should destroy this man’s political career (ditto for Stirrup).

I want to thank you for your speech and your candidness at the recent BOCS meeting. I was impressed at how you openly admitted close association and support for Corey Stewart…and then you proceeded to eviscerate him . Bravo! Democracy is a high maintenance form of government and we all need to come down from the fence and start getting involved.

Here is a clip from an excellent movie that I’ve always loved. At the end of his testimony, the main character highlights how differing individuals can acquiesce in the persecution of minorities for completely different reasons. One of the individuals he highlights was motivated by profit.

…just as Corey is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0XwsjPkHqw

I just realized that at the end of the clip I linked to above, the main character describes someone like Corey Stewart, then someone like John Stirrup, then someone like Greg Letiecq…

Funny post from raisingkaine concerning this video:

Reap the whirlwind (0.00 / 0)

He who sups with the devil needs a long spoon, Mr. Stewart. You plugged yourself into this KKK, skin-head element in your County, hoping to achieve political advantage. You have now discovered, seemingly to your surprise, that you cannot control this element. As a result, you are justly covered in the slime and vomit of that element. It is prudent of you to try to distance yourself from them, but you obviously still hanker after using them to promote yourself. Fair enough, but you cannot have it both ways. Are you agin ‘em after you were for ‘em, or not, sir?

I guess there’s a conspiracy in everything! Kgotthardt needs to stick to teaching mexicans how to speak. what is it with democrats thinking something mysterious lurks behind every corner?

viva las vegas!! elvis lives!!

I am sorry but I don’t trust anyone to edit a video except to show their own point of view. So I look at the source of the video and know where things are.

I will just as easily criticise things on the other board. I, as a former journalist, know how things work and how you have to discern whether it is fact or opinion. One can even take “fact” and present it in a way that is “opinion.”

Sorry to be a downer in the crucify people movement.

If you all actually think that bashing others actually works, look througout history.

Viva, there is no doubt in my mind that the way the resolution was passed was underhanded. Why? Because the people didn’t get to vote on it. Because only a certain faction was listened to. Because Corey Stewart and John Stirrup text GL and HSM members. Because their ties to HSM and others are more than just immoral….they are shady.

I can guarantee if the Feds go looking into this, they WILL find something.

If there’s one thing I’ve learned how to do, it’s how to sniff out a rat. And this one REALLY STINKS!

BTW, I’m an independent. I don’t “do” parties.

Yes, Anon you are correct. If someone does not agree with Greg L or his approach, he levels the most absurd accusations at them. He has dished out terrible treatment to the Mayor of Manassas Park and the Manassas Park City council. But those he likes on the Manassas City council, such as Aveeni and Harrover; and Jackson Miller (who attended HSM meetings and who Greg supported in both of his elections), Greg treats them very well. Greg has even made appeals to the membership of HSM for campaign donations. But rumor has it that some have backed away from Greg and HSM. They were so “in bed with him” so to speak.
As I indicate, I am a disillusioned Republican. I supported several of the above, but since then the scales have fallen from my eyes. Pandering to Greg and HSM was simply for what they could get during the election season. Their actions were certainly motivated by craven self interest. I am a Christian, and as I said before, I am disappointed.

Their are hatefull people on both sides of the issue, i would hope that the law and fairness are upheld. If the law is being broken then the consequences follow. Since the passing of the Resolution my opinion of certain Republicans on the BOCS has dropped, notably Nohe. Supports the Resolution then turns around and attempts to cut funding to it, of course with the business he was part of hiring felons and probably illegals is this no surprise? If this message is edited or deleted then i will realize that this is just another mouthpiece of a shrill vocal minority that panders to illegals.

SPLC is hardly fair or evenhanded when it determines people and or groups it determines to be racist or not racist. Lest he be the one to judge, sayeth the Lord. Let he without sin be the first to cast stones.

chris c,
on what basis do you presume to say that the SPLC in “hardly fair or evenhanded”? I guess their 30 some years as a well respected hate watch group isn’t enough for you?

A PW County Resident said on 13 Apr 2008 at 7:48 pm:
If you all actually think that bashing others actually works, look througout history.

You are making my point PW, bashing the most vulnerable among us has usually worked throughout history, until the people on the side of moral fairness stand up and start speaking, those injustices continue to happen. If you are suggesting that Corey and John are “vulnerable to such bashing” you are way off. I do not believe they had the best interest of PWC when this immigration fiasco first became a “crisis” in this county. They weren’t leaders, they were followers, led by Greg, led by FAIR, led by IRLI, and who knows who else. Knowing both of them personally, this entire process has been extremely disappointing and disallusioning for me.

Viva_Las_Vegas!! wrote:

what is it with democrats thinking something mysterious lurks behind every corner?

Yeah, that’s what we democrats always do. What the hell does that even mean? Honestly, viva, your taunts are incredibly childish. I mean, if you love Greg L so much why don’t you just marry him?

Welcome Mackie!

Thanks for including the video clip of one of my favorite movies, that and 12 angry men, two classics I love. I can’t stress this enough, I was taught, my whole life, that the holocaust happened because no one stood up soon enough, no one said this is wrong, soon enough. I understand that there is an immigration dilema that many people have concerns about, but there is a cancer growing, not just in PWC, but all over the country and latiino’s are the ones being targeted right now. Hate groups like the KKK and the Neo-Nazi’s are using the immigration issue as means to their end, of growing hate towards many groups, not just latino’s. It is a moral imperative that we all speak out against this hate that has clearly been given a voice through the passage of the resolution.

In my opinion Corey is a pure opportunist. He tacks whichever way the wind blows. He will have a ‘conversion’ and sink the resolution if it begins to become a stone that starts to pull his political career underwater.

John Stirrup is a much tougher opponent because he truly believes in the resolution. He does not doubt that it is the right thing to do…even at the expense of breaking up families. He’s the type that would say ‘It’s ultimately the fault of the parents for coming here illegally, I’m just enforcing the law’. The negative aspects of illegal immigration are so reprehensible and repulsive to him that he thinks they justify abusive resolutions like this one.

I don’t believe Stirrup is led by Greg. It’s a relationship of mutual benefit and mutual purpose.

Corey follows no one because he’s not capable of following. In order to follow someone or something, you have to be willing to submit…sincerely. The only thing Stewart submits to is his own political star.

Yes there is definitely a cancer spreading through our countries’ culture…people are being seduced into believing

Adding to the theme of the virtue of anger in the face of injustice, I wanted to share links to a speech I cherish. Its in 6 parts. It was delivered by Ray McGovern, a 27 year veteran analyst of the CIA and one of the founding members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chy3HyBrS0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QeVHjNCWo0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q9tJLWezBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mD4bJ_RzqY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OaqBseGWkQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otmpYxJ9HYo

…it’s up to us.

I would hardly call Greg Letieq a racist since he is a recent immigrant himself. I would hardly call Corey Stewart a racist considering his wife is a recent immigrant herself. I deplore illegal immigrants and their apologists with their careless use of the term racist. If the SPLC is so fair and even handed then why haven’t they branded the Black Panthers a hate group? For they may do good things, however they also espouse violence against other racial groups. SPLC is unfair because they cast anti illegal immigrant groups as hate groups. FAIR for example doesn’t fall in this category and neither does HSM, HSC or any of the many anti illegal immigrant groups. These groups will continue to grow until the borders are secure and workplace laws are enforced. Why should my mother a recent immigrant herself have to pay her fees for the last 40+ years and everyone else gets a free pass? Is their any justice with this double standard?

Has anyone seen this? Another blogger has reoved BVBL from the blogroll. GL has his panties in a bunch.

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2008/04/bvbl-removed-fr.html

“I deplore illegal immigrants” And THAT is the problem, Chris. Those people you “deplore” are PEOPLE. You and others discriminate based on a citizen status that indicated foreigner.

Janning’s speech is powerful. However, I do not believe it was as powerful as the speech given by Elena on 4/1 at the BOCS meeting. I still get chills when I listen to it.

Is there a Manassas Peace Prize? If so, she would get it and Alanna would get it for sponsoring this blog.

Both of these ladies have finally brought the dirty little secret out into the light of day, where our elected officials have to look it square in the eye, and decide where they are going to stand.

Kgotthardt i realize they are “people” will you be branding me a racist now because i don’t agree with the double standard in treatment of illegals? Why can’t they follow the rules and laws like the rest of us legal immigrants? Why are only 50% of illegals paying income taxes in VA.? According to a recent Virginia Commonwealth Institute study of course. Another recent report also said illegal immigrants cost the US economy $346 billion in 2007 as per a recent article on Yahoo.

Incidentally as per signage rules the hate sign on Liberty Street is against the rules for size and description of signage. Has to be in line with the architectual standards of the area as well, which it is not.

Chris C,

What if I am a visitor from..oh say Canada. I come here on a visa to see my dear friend Moon-howler. I am a great person, I meet you while I am here, and we like each other. I have such a great time visiting with you and MH I overstay my visa. That makes me a …dreaded…..ILLEGAL.

Do you hate me the day after my visa expires? Does 1 day make me less of a person? If I didn’t tell you would you even know that I was now…an …ILLEGAL?

I found that putting a face on the subject of illegal immigrants really makes a big difference in how I view them. I highly suggest getting to know just 1.

This is unbelievable. American citizens are wrong and people who ignore the laws are wonderful. LOL. I have been on this blog offering solutions and the people that don’t want solutions are those that dominate this blog. Powerful? Give me a break. Whenever I have tried to have an intelligent conversation, it has been changed to something else. There is no interest in finding any solution, it is just bash the h*ll out of anyone that disagrees with you. Typical.

chris,
And I have credible research entity’s that will say the exact opposite.

The reality is that there are opposing views, each has their “facts”. I will then choose the facts that support the more humane and reasonable approach. You may choose yours, its a free country.

KG,
I LOVE IT!!!!!! As soon as I saw that dog post I said to myself, “thank you for the gift Greg, now we know who YOU REALLY are” I hope that others will take follow suit.

Chris C,

I think you probably need to hang out for a few. You will see that we do not all agree on that sign. I seriously don’t think you will find that many folks to fight with you about the fence. If I lived in the city I might be more vocal.

What we are really about is people being able to discuss issues without being sworn at, belittled, ridiculed, called names or censored for not hating all ‘illegals.’

Spirited debate is fine, by the way. We don’t have a party line here. It is very liberating. By the way, weloome, if this is your first time here. If I overlooked seeing you before, welcome anyway.

fence = sign sleep deprivation over here.

Moon howler it does not matter, illegal is illegal by the law. My mom was a visitor from Canada when she first came here but has always been legal as per the law. Why would you espouse breaking the law even if only foe one day? I do not want anything but the law to be enforced for illegals. We also need to curtail immigration to more more manageable levels so people can learn the language, customs and laws of America. No disrespect intended but this is not South America this is the USA a land of many immigrants, not willing to follow the rules and laws is that a hard concept to accept?

Moon-howler,

Moon-howler said on 13 Apr 2008 at 10:39 pm:

You are so right, how does a simple word change the status of being a human being?

And thank you for your very very kind words, I really respect you so your praise means alot to me

I know we can’t all agree on everything, for their is no true utopia in this world.

We are all human beings looking for a better life in this world, but we must and should follow the rules of the sovereign nation that we reside in even if we don’t agree with them.

Viva_Las_Vegas!! said on 13 Apr 2008 at 7:44 pm:
I guess there’s a conspiracy in everything! Kgotthardt needs to stick to teaching mexicans how to speak. what is it with democrats thinking something mysterious lurks behind every corner?
viva las vegas!! elvis lives!!

KENNETH

THERE IS SOMETHING LURKING BEHIND EVERY CORNER VIVA!!!!

Chris C, I’m glad you’ve decided to post here. You have some interesting viewpoints.

No matter what you may think of illegals, I think your anger is displaced. They are sensibly responding to economic forces. They wouldn’t be here if there were no jobs to do.

We are the united states of america, the greatest economic and military power the world has ever known. Don’t you think we could create an immigration system that could issue enough visas to meet the job needs in the country? Of course we could. All the power is in our hands, none of the power is in the hands of the illegals. They are here because we allow them to be here. It’s pretty silly to get angry with them when they don’t even have the power to vote.

But there are those who do seethe with anger towards these people who have no power in our society. There are those who constantly and vociferously scapegoat these powerless people for whatever societal ill that they can tie to them. There are those who insist on constantly focusing on nonsense like ‘pressing 1 for english’ or insist on arrogantly insisting that grown men and women, who have to work all day to put food on the table, that they ‘have to learn english or else’.

I think it’s bigotry that gives birth to this irrational anger.

chris c said on 13 Apr 2008 at 10:34 pm:
Kgotthardt i realize they are “people” will you be branding me a racist now because i don’t agree with the double standard in treatment of illegals? Why can’t they follow the rules and laws like the rest of us legal immigrants? Why are only 50% of illegals paying income taxes in VA.? According to a recent Virginia Commonwealth Institute study of course. Another recent report also said illegal immigrants cost the US economy $346 billion in 2007 as per a recent article on Yahoo.

AND VA INSTITUTE ON PUBLIC POLICY AND THE PRESIDENT’S COUNCIL ON ECONOMIC ADVISERS CAME TO THE EXACT OPPOSITE CONCLUSIONS IN THEIR 1/08 AND 6/07 STUDIES

A PW County Resident said on 13 Apr 2008 at 10:45 pm:
This is unbelievable. American citizens are wrong and people who ignore the laws are wonderful. LOL. I have been on this blog offering solutions and the people that don’t want solutions are those that dominate this blog. Powerful? Give me a break. Whenever I have tried to have an intelligent conversation, it has been changed to something else. There is no interest in finding any solution, it is just bash the h*ll out of anyone that disagrees with you. Typical.

I MUST HAVE MISSED YOUR POSTS AND WILL WATCH FOR THEM IF YOU HAVENT RETIRED……BUT I HAVE YET TO HEAR ANY INTELLIGENT OR RATINOLA SOLUTIONS…..I DONT CONSIDER WHAT COREY ET AL HAVE DONE AS RATIONAL…IT IS AT BEST SELF-SERVING AND AT WORST RACIST AND IDIOTIC

Illegals are here to work of course i understand that, where will they go when their is no work? If people would just have patience and come here legally, illegal immigration would not be the major economic problem it is. FAIR also reports that illegals are more of an economic burden and not a boon. We can trade many studies back and forth Ken Reynolds, but most of us agree that illegal immigration is a big problem. Enforcement of the border, rules and the laws would more than likely serious reduce the problem. Amnesty by the way does not work ala 1986 amnesty by Reagan and Congress = only 50% applied for amnesty. The only rational solution is to secure the border and enforce workplace laws.

If you believe the President and these groups then i have a Brooklyn Bridge to sell you Ken. LOL

Mackie said on 13 Apr 2008 at 11:06 pm:
Chris C, I’m glad you’ve decided to post here. You have some interesting viewpoints.
No matter what you may think of illegals, I think your anger is displaced. They are sensibly responding to economic forces. They wouldn’t be here if there were no jobs to do.
We are the united states of america, the greatest economic and military power the world has ever known. Don’t you think we could create an immigration system that could issue enough visas to meet the job needs in the country? Of course we could. All the power is in our hands, none of the power is in the hands of the illegals. They are here because we allow them to be here. It’s pretty silly to get angry with them when they don’t even have the power to vote.
But there are those who do seethe with anger towards these people who have no power in our society. There are those who constantly and vociferously scapegoat these powerless people for whatever societal ill that they can tie to them. There are those who insist on constantly focusing on nonsense like ‘pressing 1 for english’ or insist on arrogantly insisting that grown men and women, who have to work all day to put food on the table, that they ‘have to learn english or else’.
I think it’s bigotry that gives birth to this irrational anger.

g\KENNETH

GREAT MESSAGE MACKIE!!

Chris C,

When there is no work, they will go to where they can find work.
Any studies from FAIR are highly suspect. Those people have a clear agenda to (like i said before) blame these powerless people for every societal ill that they can even remotely pin upon them. FAIR is trying to get everyone to feel that illegals are stealing from them. Most people hate the idea of being robbed. Human nature is to resent those who rob from you. This very powerful human emotional reflex is exactly what FAIR is counting on to manipulate people into doing their bidding.
Once again, we have all the power, the illegal immigrants have none.

This is known in military parlance as psychological operations. Son Tzu said ‘War is deception’. FAIR very wisely is waging war through deception. And the easiest people to deceive are those who want to be deceived…because they resent having to live around people who unapologetically speak a different language, unapologetically listen to strange music, unapologetically live their lives the way they want to.

The only rational solution is to issue enough visas to meet the demand for workers.

chris c said on 13 Apr 2008 at 11:36 pm:
Illegals are here to work of course i understand that, where will they go when their is no work? If people would just have patience and come here legally, illegal immigration would not be the major economic problem it is. FAIR also reports that illegals are more of an economic burden and not a boon. We can trade many studies back and forth Ken Reynolds, but most of us agree that illegal immigration is a big problem. Enforcement of the border, rules and the laws would more than likely serious reduce the problem. Amnesty by the way does not work ala 1986 amnesty by Reagan and Congress = only 50% applied for amnesty. The only rational solution is to secure the border and enforce workplace laws.

CHRIS …..YES IMMIGRATION IS A BIG PROBLEM ALTHOUGH I PERSONALLY THINK IT IS BLOWN WAY OUT OF PROPORTION (E.G., LOOK A THE WAR IN IRAQ GOING ON….MANY FEEL THAT IS SENSELESS AND ITS COSTS PALE IN COMPARISON TO IMMIGRATION…..YES….BOTH SIDES HAVE STUDIES ALTHOUGH THE LEAST CREDIBLE SOURCE IS FAIR…..BTW WASNT ONE IT S BOD MEMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH RACISTS ORGS? I BELIEVE THAT ENFORCEMENT OF BORDERS IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE….ALSO, THERE ARE TOO MANY ECONOMIC FORCES AT WORK HERE////AG, CONST, SVE INDUSTRIES DEPEND ON UNDOCUMENTED RESIDENTS AND WILL STAND IN THE WAY OF A LOT OF THE LEGISLATION..I THINK FENCES ARE ALSO NONSENSE….A RESPONSIBLE WORK PERMIT PROCESS WOULD WORK BEST IN MY OPINION…ONE THAT IDENTIFIES EVERYONE…..IF THEY WORK, THEY ARE NEEDED……ITWILL BE A LONG TIME BEFORE THE NATION CAN COME TOGETHER ON THIS HOWEVER

chris c said on 13 Apr 2008 at 11:37 pm:
If you believe the President and these groups then i have a Brooklyn Bridge to sell you Ken. LOL

KENNETH

YOU THINK THE OTHER STUDIES ARE CREDIBLE????

In the past, I’ve refused to blame Corey Stewart any more than I blame the other Supervisors.

In the past, I’ve argued with friends, insisting that Corey became bellicose and defensive ONLY in reaction to vociferous, often unfair criticism.

But I didn’t know about the official emails he shared with Greg Letiecq. That really made me do a double take. I’m afraid Corey has been somehow irreversibly corrupted by Greg. I’m afraid he’s come to believe that the world of politics is somehow separate and exempt from the morality of real life. Because in real life, as I’ve maintained all along, Corey is a good person.

I’m encouraged that he so strongly criticized the racism and other disgusting tactics on Greg’s blog. Please let this be a sign he is coming to his senses.

Corey, if you’re reading this: You should not be working with this man in public or in secret. It’s not just bad for your future career, it’s bad for our government, and bad for us…the people who elected you. It’s not too late! Don’t make me a fool for defending you.

WhyHereWhyNow,

Have you forgotten that Corey tried to sacrifice Chief Deane for his political gain? He only backed off after most of the rest of the board had a near mutiny. Any possibility for rehabilitation for Corey died when stabbed Chief Deane in the back. What a betrayal.

Corey, if you’re reading this, I have two words I’d like to say to you…it’s a phrase we’re all familiar with…and it’s not ‘Happy Birthday’

kgotthardt:
You made my night! Oh, I would love to see the hissy fit being thrown on the other side of the internet.
Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy. Yes, that’s from SpongeBob.

It doesn’t matter who the puppet master is, Corey or Greg, because the truth is that they led the lynch mob together holding hands. They have been in bed together for too long. It’s time for a formal separation. Corey needs to take another vow to serve the people of Prince William County, not a small extremist group. The real irony of this whole fiasco is that the “Rule of Law Resolution” does not respect that immigration is part of federal law. To use the local government to do solve a federal problem is sheer vigilantism. The extremists have infiltrated our local government and we must toss them out. Corey, if you are reading this: Get out of Greg’s bed. You’re being disloyal to the public.

What is suspect about FAIR’s numbers? They are right on the money. What’s the big deal, so Corey knows Greg. Why should the Chief of Police be meeting with the Mexican consul in the first place? Illegal immigrants cost us $346 billion in 2007 according to a recent study AP i think or some such. Iraq in contrast is right around 500 billion and thats for 5 years, even a blind man can see the big disparity there. While i don’t agree with us being there because the reasons are suspect. Big business has always screwed the legal immigrants of this wonderful country and turns around and hires illegals for chickenfeed, where are the rights of a worker, is anybody concerned about the rights of workers here? Yeah sure Corey is coming to his senses he won’t rescind this Resolution, for if he does he will lose the next election and everyone else who votes to rescind it as well. Count on it. By the way Mexicanos Sin Fronteras is a racist org. as well, i wonder why SPLC paints all groups that don’t espouse their opinions with such a broad brush, although i do applaud that on their list of hate groups they do have the Nation of Islam, KKK, and The New Black Panther Party listed. All levels of government must work on the immigration issue, because it involves us all and affects us all. $9000 a year affects all legal citizens every year to pay for illegals from another article in the Potomac News or Washington Post or on Yahoo. Google your research, you will find major studies and reports on the effects of illegals to the US economy and it isn’t as rosy as portrayed in those studies purported to be by Ken Reynolds. Mackie it is not about power when it comes to illegal immigration, it is about breaking the law whether by forged documents or stolen identities like at the Cement plant in Manassas or the Landsdowne Resort In Loudon county. This is happening all across America, these are not isolated incidents. Is your identity secure? Will you be able to find a job or is some illegal doing it for less, working under the table, not paying taxes and 50% of illegals in Virginia are not paying taxes. This is not right, it is not fair, and flat out is discriminatory to the legal immigrants of this beautiful country. That is a true definition of racism as i have ever heard. If the “Rule of Law Resolution” or the “Illegal Resolution” as most of us call it is unconstitutional then why was the lawsuit thrown out? Other then the plaintiffs having no merit or right in regards to the issue. More people support HSM then MWB anyway.

I hear what you’re saying Mackie. But he is going to be our Chairman for the next three years and change unless he decides to resign. There’s no such thing as a recall. So why not hope and expect him to rise above the anti-immigrant hate? Would you be disappointed if he did?

Also, someone made a point about vigilantism. That’s precisely what has happened here. FAIR and their bogus numbers and misleading and hateful talking points inspired a mob to over-run our local government. If local governments can try to do what the federal government is supposed to do, what’s to stop citizens from trying to do the same?

Scary.

I don’t worry if people are hateful. I don’t worry if people are misinformed.

I worry when hateful and misinformed people try to take over our government.

Chris, I think many, many people, myself included, believe we need better border control. If we don’t stop the influx, we will never be able to handle the problem we have now. I also think we don’t have enough military protection on/near our own turf, where we need it. And I also believe violent criminals, gang leaders and drug lords don’t belong here, no matter what country they are from.

My big problem is the way we treat the people who ARE here now. We can’t just dismiss them like they are non-people, and that’s what lumping them all into the “illegal” category has done. It’s also brought out the worst in people—the haters, the racists, the bigots, the psychos, you name it. You can’t tell me we are incapable of finding a viable solution that helps the economy, that helps the undocumented, and that raises the quality of everyone’s lives.

Mackie says it best: “We are the united states of america, the greatest economic and military power the world has ever known. Don’t you think we could create an immigration system that could issue enough visas to meet the job needs in the country? Of course we could. All the power is in our hands, none of the power is in the hands of the illegals. They are here because we allow them to be here. It’s pretty silly to get angry with them when they don’t even have the power to vote.”

Illegal Immigration is a symptom. You cannot treat the symptom and expect to have results. You need to treat the disease, and the symptom will clear itself up.

What is the disease – pure American Greed. Our appetitite for living beyond our means, wanting ‘it’ now, and desire for cheap labor (cheaper products). Business’s want cheaper labor so that they can make more money – they compete by paying substandard wages.

The credit mess we are in – same disease. People wanting houses they could not afford – or worse, taking out the equity to pay off the credit cards – bad move. But we, as parents, do not teach our children to save, we teach them – whip out the Visa….as in charge-it.

Fairness and the law are what inspired the people, not some website quoting numbers. Ooops sorry about the unintended pun. Hatred, racism and psychos are on a two way street, if you can’t enforce the law for everyone then you are basically calling for anarchy, we have enough chaos in the world without asking for more trouble. These people who don’t have the power to vote are stealing identities, forging documents, working under the table, not paying taxes, etc.. Some are actually voting as well with these forged and stolen identities, don’t kid yourself.

Chris,

Stop with the hype that Latino’s are stealing people’s identities. They use forged documents with fake SS’s to get jobs (a perfect reason to allow them to apply for work authorizations) that may or may not belong to a live person, but they do not steal the names and addresses of people to get a job. There are no Mildred Anderson’s working as a dishwasher at Lansdowne…it could be Hilda Alvarez with Mildred’s SS number, though. Give me a break. Also, offer me some proof of “some are actually voting as well with these forged and stolen identities, don’t kid yourself”. If this was the case, charges would be brought up. Where is your proof that “some are actually voting?” You don’t have any.

Chris C,

If people were inspired by the law, then they are misinformed (and deliberately misled by orgs like FAIR). Our immigration system is completely out of touch with the demands of our economy. Until it’s overhauled to work in synergy with the demands of our economy, this problem will continue. Building a fence, worksite enforcement, abusive resolutions, etc. are treating the symptoms and not the disease. And NO the disease is not greed. The disease is a stupid immigration system that is not in sync with the economy.

However, I want to add that we do need to build a border fence, and I mean one that is highly effective. It should be on both borders and it should have nothing to do with keeping people out who just want to work (although that will likely be a byproduct that will be exploited by the race baiters). The only purpose of this fence would be to protect the country from the very real threat of people who want to come here to kill Americans. We ignore this threat at our own peril. And both sides of the illegal immigration debate are ignoring it.

Twinad they are allowed to vote in MD. in some municipal elections as reported in the newspapers i believe it was in Takoma Park or Mt. Rainier, one of the “Sanctuary Cities”. Using someone’s Social Security number for anything is identity theft of which some were charged at Landsdowne Resort. It’s kind of hard to charge someone with voter fraud when all you need for most polls is a driver’s license. Twinad where is your proof that illegals are benefiting the US economy of course you don’t have any, i have sited many statistics and you haven’t sited any. How are accurate numbers by FAIR misinformation? Yes the immigration system needs an overhaul, they need to cut the number from a million a year to about a quarter of that as well as build the fence real and virtual and strictly enforce the workplace laws already on the books. We need to better assimilate the immigrants we have. Teach them english, explain the rules and laws and no one does not have to lose one’s nationality in order to do this. What is so hard to understand about following the rules and laws. My mom has been a legal alien for 40+ years. Where is the fairness in that if somebody gets a free pass and isn’t paying income taxes? The answer is is it is not fair and not just. In fact it is downright discriminatory and racist.

How many illegal immigrants do you actually know? I have stated on this blog that I personally know at least 100 and every single one of them has a JOB that pays them a paycheck that has taxes taken out of it, just like everyone else who has a job in America. Yes, there is a small fraction of the illegal population that works as Daylaborers, but it is just that, a fraction. Also, there are studies that show this generation is assimilating faster than any generation to come before them! It’s just not fast enough for those that don’t want to be bothered to press one for English.

THE LAWSUIT WAS THROWN OUT CHRIS C BECAUSE WE COULD NOT SHOW SPECIFIC HARM CAUSED BY THE RESOLUTION SINCE THE RESOLUTION WAS RECENTLY ENACTD. AS SOON AS SOMEONE CAN POINT TO HARM (E.G., THE MISTAKEN ARRESTS IN MARCH|) THEN A CASE FOR RACIAL PROFILING CAN BE MADE. IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE A SUIT IS BROUGHT AGAIN…..AS I UNDERSTAND THE CASE LAW THE FEDERAL COURTS HAVE KICKED THE LOCALITIES OUT…..THAT IS WHY ALTOONA AND THE REST OF THEM ARE NOW OUT OF THE OFFICIAL BIGOTRY BUSINESS|!! COMPREHENDE SENOR CHRIS?|

TWINAD said on 14 Apr 2008 at 5:05 pm:
How many illegal immigrants do you actually know? I have stated on this blog that I personally know at least 100 and every single one of them has a JOB that pays them a paycheck that has taxes taken out of it, just like everyone else who has a job in America. Yes, there is a small fraction of the illegal population that works as Daylaborers, but it is just that, a fraction. Also, there are studies that show this generation is assimilating faster than any generation to come before them! It’s just not fast enough for those that don’t want to be bothered to press one for English.

KENNETH

YOU ARE SO RIGHT TWINAD…ALL G\\\\\\\\\IMMIGRANT CULTURE TAKE ONE GENERATION TO ASSIMILATE LANGUAGES…YET WE KNOW, OR AT LEAST THE KNOWLEDGEABLE AMONG US….THAT MOST CULTURES STILL MAINTAIN POCKETS OF THE OLD COUNTRY….THE JEWS, ITALIANS, POLISH, AND ON AND ON….MAYBE ITS TIME WE NEED TO RUN THEM OUT..I MEAN IT IS 10 GENERAtions and the ones who cant assimi\late need to get their asses out of of beautiful patriotic laden nation!!

Traffic: As population growth put more traffic on the roads, the average commute for Louisiana residents increased 15 percent during the 1990s, from 22 minutes to 26 minutes in 2000.7/, 8/ 29 percent of Louisiana’s major urban roads are congested. 54 percent of Louisiana’s major roads are in poor or mediocre condition. Vehicle travel on Louisiana’s highways increased 17 percent from 1990 to 2003.Driving on roads in need of repair costs Louisiana motorists $1.3 billion a year in extra vehicle repairs and operating costs — $425 per motorist. Congestion in the New Orleans metropolitan area costs commuters $299 per person per year in excess fuel and lost time. 9/

kenneth
chris – the above is a dir\ect quote from one of FAIR’S STUDIES….NOW LOOK AT ALL THE CONJECTURE….THEY BLAME EVERYTHING ON THE LATINOS BY IMPLICATION…..THEY TAKE SOME INFORMATION FROM THE U.S. CENSUS AND THEN TWIST IT TO FIT THEIR GOALS. IN MY OPINION MOST OF THE INFO IN FAIR’S REPORTS FALLS INTO THIS CATEGORY. NOW WHO SHOULD YOU BELIEVE…FAIR OR THE PRESIDENT’S COUNCIL OF ECONOMC ADVISERS THAT WORKED EXCLUSIVELY WITH CENSUS DATA. YOU KEEP READING AND GETTING INDOCTRINATED AND BRAINWASHED AND CAN NO LONGER THINK STRAIGHT. YOU NEED REHAB…MAYBE GO TO SOME OF THE UPCOMING PARTIES AND SEE IF THEY CAN STRAIGTHEN YOU OUT!!!PEACE AMIGO!! THEIR USE IT NO FRMR

Chris – i think your fence is the dumbest thing in the whole discussion…have you ever heard of tunnels and ladders? how long would it take a good group of mexicans to dig a long long tunnel? about one week maybe? and it might even have bedrooms and baths and meeting rooms!!! and how much do we pay to go thru all that private property and break all of our own trespass laws? now what kind of ‘rule of law’ is that (hohoo)

WhyHereWhyNow said on 14 Apr 2008 at 6:30 am:
I hear what you’re saying Mackie. But he is going to be our Chairman for the next three years and change unless he decides to resign. There’s no such thing as a recall. So why not hope and expect him to rise above the anti-immigrant hate? Would you be disappointed if he did?

The voters of Prince William County elected Corey Stewart on a wave of anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment. The majority spoke, and he was elected. Right or wrong, there are no surprises here.

George Lopez said they’ll be able to get all the permits to build the fence but they won’t be able to find anyone to do the work.

Please nobody get their underwear in a twist it’s just a joke.

I was under the impression that there is a recall provision and Corey would be a good test case. You say”majority spoke”? But only 30 percent of County voters came out…..technically he won……but, he only got 16% of the entire County voters – not exactly a mandate!!

Emma, I’m not so sure that you can say with any certainty that Stewart was elected on a wave of anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment. The Republicans that I know voted for him based on his stand on development. Most of them never even followed the immigration debate. Of course, they’re mid-county residents who are basically unaffected by over-crowded housing…at least not over-crowding by Hispanics.

So many “facts” are being put forward. LOL. I think it may be better called soundbites.

Twinad 50% of Virginia illegals aren’t paying taxes according to the Virginia Commonwealth Institute study and it is probably pretty much the same elsewhere where illegal immigration is a problem. Look at the major problem with the ballooning out of control budget in California for example. Twinad i do not care to know any illegal aliens, for they are nothing but common thieves stealing social services, taxpayer benefits, sending their anchor babies to legal immigrants schools, stealing identities, forged documents, stolen legal documents, all felonies i believe. Keneth how do facts blame one race according to that very accurate study by FAIR. In all fairness you need to be less judgmental towards the facts as they are. With this recent surge in legal and illegal immigrants has come more congestion on the roads , more crowding of emergency rooms in hospitals being used by illegals for basic care etc. etc. How can you say the Presidents Council is correct when most people agree the Census was flawed with undercounting, especially with undercounting of illegals who don’t want to be counted. The government says there are 12 million illegals in the country. Most other sources are saying 20 million or higher. Ken i do agree with one thing about the fence it is only a deterrent, and won’t stop everyone. The government knows about the tunnels too, we have been blowing those up as soon as they are found, they periodically do ground sweeps for them, you know ground penetrating radar. Can i go to one of the parties, i will be the one protesting. 30% of voters came out and he won by about 10% extrapolate that out by 100% turnout and he still wins by a similar margin. LOL, incidentally i voted for him on his stance on development as well as his stance on illegal immigration. After all who wants to end up like Maryland paying high taxes and getting higher every year to support some illegals family as well as the ancillary services that go with supporting this great injustice. You just don’t understand the level of resentment coming from the legal population do you. You will.

Chris C.,

I am trying to understand your postion. I think you think this blog represents an organization or a club. That is not the case. I also think you believe you have landed on the MWB blog. This is not the case either. We are just every day people, some of us liberal, moderate and conservative. We have different opinions about illegal immigration and its impact on the county.

I believe what sets us apart is the philosophy that these ideas need to be discussed in a productive manner without name calling, threats and intimidation. I would say we meet our goals 95% of the time. That’s not too shabby.

May I ask you a question….do you know illegal immigrants personally? You sound like you don’t. Once you attack a face to the illegal immigrant, the picture changes quite a bit.

attack = attach. No attacking please. LOL

Like i have said previously i do not want to know any crooks no matter where they are from, the discussion here is there is no fairness when an illegal gets a slap on the wrist for crimes legal citizens have to pay for and i have not called anyone a name, nor will i threaten or intimidate. Although i feel that this illegal occupation must end. Incidentally i will not attack a face to the illegal immigrant. that is wrong. The picture has not changed for me any bit and people have told me i have worked with illegals before, albeit unintentionally, i think they are nothing but common criminals skirting US law for all the freebies they can get<i.e. California’s budget crisis, Texas, problems in all the border states as well as elsewhere. Are you aware that over 50000 legal immigrants and citizens have been murdered or killed by illegals since 9/11 in accidents or just plain murder even more than that other notorious group Al Qaeda did to the US. Do you realize the potential of 50000 citizens lives extinguished by individuals that should not be here it is unfathomable to think that anyone would support this kind of behavior. It is disturbing and disgusting to say the least.

I believe the majority has spoken on the issue and even if it was a ballot issue the whole county would still vote for the Resolution.

Chris c said:

“30% of voters came out and he won by about 10% extrapolate that out by 100% turnout and he still wins by a similar margin.”

You can’t predict that. You have no idea why the non-voters stayed home.

Chris, stop speaking for the whole county. I’m part of the whole county and you are about the LAST person I’d want speaking for ME.

“But he is going to be our Chairman for the next three years and change unless he decides to resign.” With what Stewart has pulled, anyone with inegrity would resign. But we already know Stewart has no integrity. If he did, he would have followed democratic process.

chris,
I find myself going over the speed limit a few times, especially on 66, O.K. maybe more than just a few times, I guess you wouldn’t want to “know me” either.

It must be difficult to be so perfect, all the time, do find yourself feeling alone alot, since you can’t associate with people that are not perfect?

Geez, I just read you entire post now, are serious Chris? Now we have to fear from undocumented workers the same as from Al Quada. That line of thinking is illogical to say the least. Did you get those numbers from FAIR also. No one here supports people who commit feloneous crimes Chris,no one. We could also stop the majority of serial killers if we deported all well educated white males between the ages of 26 and 35.

Censored typically CNN or FOX will call a winner and extrapolate out to 100% when you have such a wide margin. Kgotthardt you speak for relatively few in this county so your opinion is about as worthy. What did Chairman Stewart do that would force him to resign??? FAIR’s numbers are culled from state reports and news stories, are you calling the states and the news media liars Elena? Blacks and Hispanics are serial killers too, even if it goes by the moniker of gang killings same thing. Anybody who kills more than 1 person is a serial killer. Certain communities romanticize murder as if it is an honorable thing to do. In the US, i will repeat illegal immigrants have killed far more people than Al Qaeda has, 50000 since 9/11. All kinds of statistics to back that up. Don’t try to whitewash the facts Elena. Incidentally i consider it reprehensible that Greg would allow that classified ad to run in his blog. However i don’t think Corey Stewart should be blamed for what anonymous posters post on some webblog. If thats the case Jimmy Carter should be arrested and charged with treason for consorting with a known terrorist leader.

Quite simply put it was an anonymous poster who posted in the classified section of that blog, it is ridiculous to blame someone else with guilt by association. Which is what this is. Corey Stewart also agreed that what this poster did was wrong, but he also said people have the right to free speech. Whatever Mr. Letieq condones on his webblog is up to him not me or Corey Stewart. It is also the right of the blogger here to edit out anything he or she doesn’t like. Although i don’t agree with censorship i also don’t agree with racism. Unfortunately these are two animals that are alive and well across the nation and practiced by all races. A truely colorblind society is what MLK espoused, however if you give a certain group of people preferential treatment then you are only exacerbating the problem.

Chris,
You are wrong, this IS a FACT!

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Free to a good home. Excellent Guard Dog.
Owner cannot afford to feed him anymore, as there are no more illegal alien thieves, murderers, or molesters left in the neighborhood for him to eat.
Most of them knew him as ‘Mierda Santa!’”

Being that people refer to all people who are here illegally as criminals, parasites, or various other words, this post speaks directly to people as dog food. GREG posted it, his words, his hateful intent, HIS propoganda.

By Greg only censoring comments that differ with his ideology, by allowing other hateful speech, he is condoning those points of view. If Greg had been smart, he would have left the alternate points of view on his blog,so as to “appear” unbiased for his blog content, thus he would have been able to cry that he just puts the forum up, and people post whatever they want.

As far as FAIR goes, why don’t you just start quoting statistics from the KKK and Neo-Nazi groups, they are hate groups, would you TRUST their numbers?

Chris, I don’t need to “white”wash anything, these “white” supremacist groups do a fine enough job espousing their hate towards non-whites, catholics, and jews. You just keep being brainwashed by your false reality:

Plato’s Allegory of The Cave

In the allegory, Plato likens people untutored in the Theory of Forms to prisoners chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire. Between the fire and the prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers, who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by objects that they do not see. Such prisoners would mistake appearance for reality. They would think the things they see on the wall (the shadows) were real; they would know nothing of the real causes of the shadows.

My mistake i thought it was a classified, i don’t condone his racist comment but be that as it may be, FAIR’s statistics are on the money, and i don’t understand how they can be labeled a racist group? Would you label the Pew Hispanic Center racist? If thats the case then MWB, La RazA, and Meche are no better. As i have said before, KKK and Neo Nazis are racist no better then La Raza, Meche, and MWB. Just look at their condoning of illegals being in the country, by the way it is against the law as well to hire them also. Stolen identities, forged documents, murder, mayhem, is that what the legal immigrants of the US deserve? If i was illegal in Mexico and owned property my property would be seized and i would be thrown in jail, that is just fact. Since i respect the laws of other countries i wouldn’t do this. Even if i don’t agree with the laws of a country i will not break the law. Why do 12 million + do so in the US, most say many more.

enjoy your dark cave Chris, I think it is where you feel most comfortable. If you are wrong about that “truth” regarding the dog post, you were so sure about it though, just maybe, just maybe, your others truths are false also. Just a thought.

Sorry from her portrayal of the post it looked like a classified especially when projected on the screen i did not know it was part of the humor and satire section, all in it was just a joke, and has every right to be posted its no worse than Carlos Mencia’s joke about the fence. My other truths were right on the money though, google illegal immigration kills and you will learn the folly of your ways through higher taxes, poor medical care, higher insurance costs, etc. etc. Mayhem and murder and no taxes the ways of the illegal immigrant.

Chris,

“Mayhem and murder and no taxes the ways of the illegal immigrant.”

I will not have a conversation with you anymore. You are a racist. On this blog, I will not allow such hateful comments to go unchallenged. Go back to BVBL, you don’t belong here Chris, really, you don’t.

I just want to make sure that it is clear, I am quoting from your statement :

chris c said on 15 Apr 2008 at 11:51 pm:
Sorry from her portrayal of the post it looked like a classified especially when projected on the screen i did not know it was part of the humor and satire section, all in it was just a joke, and has every right to be posted its no worse than Carlos Mencia’s joke about the fence. My other truths were right on the money though, google illegal immigration kills and you will learn the folly of your ways through higher taxes, poor medical care, higher insurance costs, etc. etc. Mayhem and murder and no taxes the ways of the illegal immigrant.

Chris,

I understand that your family purports to be a Christian family. Do I have you confused with someone else?

I cannot see where you have spoken any truths. Does the expression ‘getting right with God’ have meaning for you? If it does, perhaps you need to heed it.

Sorry Elena i fail to see the racism in my statements, only the truth through statistics. Coddling illegal immigrants is discriminatory and racist against all legal immigrants and affects us all. Sorry Moon-howler my family is not Christian and truely if yours was it would believe in following the rules and laws like any good Christian does. You have no right to judge me before God or whether i am Christian or not. That is a deep seeded intolerance of religion you have there. May i suggest you go to church instead. Elena one more time if i was a racist would i associate with my mother whose boyfriend was black or my sisters who have had black boyfriends and biracial children, personally Elena you can shove your racist comment.

The topis is, Does Corey have a Greg problem? Apparently so if you look around the various blogs, Greg has built quite a reputation for himself with that old scorched earth policy he is so well known for.

It almost makes me wonder if Greg isn’t disposable. Is someone using him as a junk yard dog to do those things no one else wants to do?

That would be a darn shame because Greg is a talented person. Too bad that talent is so often used for negative things rather than to improve and uplift the human condition.

I agree admin the comment was indefensible if it was actually from a serious point other than being from a humorous and satirical point of view. You are right admin it does change nothing, illegal is still illegal.

Admin Remember Nohe was for the Resolution before he was against it, besides he needs felons and illegals to work in his businesses. Got to have that cheap labor. LOL

Jeesh, Chris, just let it go. You’re not here for any kind of meaningful dialogue. You’re trolling, and we’re falling for it. Ignore him, and he’ll got back to that echo chamber from whenst he came.