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Help Save Manassas(HSM) meeting Wednesday 2/27/08

February 25th, 2008 admin

First of all, the name of the organization ‘Help Save Manassas’ along with ‘Help Save Virginia’ names & mission are extremely similar to ‘Save Our State’, a California organization which has ‘white nationalist’ ties.  More information found here.  Ironically, he’s no longer on the payroll for Federation for American Immigration Reform presumably because of his associations to neo-Nazi groups.  Ironically, they have yet to distance themselves from founder and current board member John Tanton who has equally disturbing ties.

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  1. Bring it On
    February 25th, 2008 at 16:16 | #1

    Did everyone read this article – http://www.examiner.com/printa-1089121~Pr._William_group_to_take_protest_of_illegals_statewide.html? Someone from the Help Save Virginia organization makes accusations that he’s more ‘interested in personal gain’ than in the movement. Then it has a quote from Letiecq – “It’s hard to save the world if you can’t pay the rent,”.

  2. Admin
    February 25th, 2008 at 16:19 | #2

    That’s ironic I was just talking to moon-howler about that!

  3. Guadalupe Hildago
    February 25th, 2008 at 17:06 | #3

    Greg is a Nazi? If you have proof, please send it to us at Mexicans without Borders. This would be good information to have to discredit Greg.

  4. Gainesville Resident
    February 25th, 2008 at 18:04 | #4

    Save the world from who? That’s his thing, he believes he’s saving the United States from some impending doom. Well, there are a million other issues of greater consequence than this one. In fact, it will all be for waste because it appears that the Federal government will put them on a path to legalization. I mean look at our national political future, we have McCain & Obama or Clinton. So… why can’t he just move on?

  5. February 26th, 2008 at 10:31 | #5

    I don’t know that Greg is a Nazi, but his obsession with this who thing, his general demeanor, his control-freakishness and yes…his open affilitation with the military (sorry to say and no offense to any good soldier) mark the signs of a madman. I am telling you, this guy is just plain SCARY….the kind of guy who keeps bombs in the basement or wigs out in a tower somewhere. He can say I’m a moonbat or whatever he likes, but at least I’m not a threat to society. His poor wife and child….I think about them a lot.

  6. Guadalupe
    February 26th, 2008 at 18:39 | #6

    kgothardt,

    Yes, he is like a Nazi but his Lieutenant is worse. Do you know him? His name is Thomas. He was a Marine and runs their operations. More military. Very scary. He was at our rally in july and our documentary makers from 9500 Liberty caught him on film spying on us. He has been on the news and he is on the 9500 Liberty films playing german music. If Greg is like Hitler, then Thomas is Himmler. We have been trying to find out about him since last summer. If you know anything about him please email me.

  7. Juturna
    February 26th, 2008 at 19:42 | #7

    Nazi’s had jobs.

  8. February 26th, 2008 at 20:17 | #8

    Isn’t the whole Help Save thing related to FAIR which IS a hate group? Doesn’t HSM have skinheads and KKK members either officially or on the fringes? I think so, even if BVBL and company aren’t admitting it.

  9. Firedancer
    February 26th, 2008 at 22:14 | #9

    I also wonder about Greg’s family. You absolutely cannot be a loving husband and father and spend so much time spewing hate. I wonder about most of the regular hatemongers on that blog. I suspect there are a few abusers among them.

  10. admin
    February 26th, 2008 at 22:57 | #10

    kgotthardt,
    Other than the Help Save Our State being either a regional director or board member of FAIR, I’m not sure of any ‘official’ connection. It’s been odd this relationship where the Help Save Manassas Group both acknowledges and denies the connection.

    In terms of skinheads and KKK members, do you think the police have any reports or files on current activity that we could obtain?

  11. independent thinker
    February 27th, 2008 at 00:45 | #11

    GH,
    O.K. you are full of it. Mexicans without Borders is NOT associated with 9500 Liberty, and if you really knew the film makers, you would know that. Please, how gullible do you think we are here!

  12. Guadalupe Hidalgo
    February 27th, 2008 at 12:43 | #12

    They are telling the story of our struggle. I have seen the films on the internet. They are our friends. They are showing the world the injustice and racist actions of HSM and the board. The man spoke to the human rights council in our favor.

  13. February 27th, 2008 at 13:17 | #13

    Of course the police don’t have anything on file. Remember the Jackson Miller/BVBL connection (”in which the protagonist, Jackson Miller, knew who owned BVBL and wouldn’t come forward with that information”).

    Hey trolls and moles, we can spot you a mile away. No one believes you’re real.

  14. Juturna
    February 27th, 2008 at 14:51 | #14

    The February HSM Front Page or whatever their newsletter is has a very nutty article written by Thomas. It begins on page 3 and ends on page 7. Of particular interest is the boot camp he is sponsoring for ‘operators’. Shades of rolled barbed wire and a compound come to mind. Check it out. Talk about scary.

  15. independent thinker
    February 27th, 2008 at 15:46 | #15

    I’ll check it out J. Talk about Neo-Nazi/KKK like behavior. What the heck is an “operator”?

  16. BVBL Reject
    February 27th, 2008 at 15:50 | #16

    Here is where he lives: Steve Thomas, **** ***** Court
    Is the the same guy who has worked as Vice Chairman of the Manassas GOP?

    Note: I removed this address.

  17. Guadalupe Hidalgo
    February 27th, 2008 at 18:26 | #17

    I went to the page and couldnt see the article written by Thomas. I could see other months but it said “not found” when I hit February. Maybe Greg or someone took it down? What did it say?

  18. Juturna
    February 27th, 2008 at 19:43 | #18

    GH –

    Go to HSM – Select Newsletter from the Main Menu on the right side of the page under the HSM Dot.

    Click on “Our Current Issue” (February, 2008) at the TOP of the newsletter page.

  19. Guadalupe Hidalgo
    February 28th, 2008 at 07:05 | #19

    Juturna,

    Thank you.

  20. Juturna
    February 28th, 2008 at 18:15 | #20

    How many folks showed up at HSM last night??? GH, do you know? You seemed ‘tuned in”.

  21. Mrs. Steve Thomas
    February 28th, 2008 at 18:53 | #21

    To the Administrator of this site – I would like to thank you for removing our home address that was posted by BVBL reject. I truly appreciate your respect for our privacy and consideration of adverse action being taken against my family.
    To BVBL reject – Please refrain from posting our address on any public forum. I do my best to keep our address private from certain parties due to my employment. You may not agree with my husband or his views but he does not break any laws and he certainly respects other’s right to privacy. If you know my husband, then you know he will pursue legal action if warranted with great vigor and enthusiasm.

  22. Guadalupe Hidalgo
    February 29th, 2008 at 08:32 | #22

    I do not know how many went to the meeting. I wouldnt go there and hear all of that hate. I rather stay home and take care of my sons. You know teenagers!

  23. BVBL Reject
    February 29th, 2008 at 08:46 | #23

    I don’t know why you deleted Steve Thomas address. If you google him, you will find that while he participated and talked against immigration issues in some of the county or city discussions, he listed his address. It is part of the public record that he listed his residence.
    You have just done he same thing that BVBL does when something they don’t like is deleted.

  24. Juturna
    February 29th, 2008 at 10:30 | #24

    GH…. Hmmmmm

  25. Admin
    February 29th, 2008 at 11:03 | #25

    BVBL Reject – nice try but it’s not the same.

    The comments will not be censored for subject matter which is what we have all experienced at the other site. Removing someone’s personal information doesn’t qualify as subject matter, the jist of the message remains intact.

    Thanks for your expressing your concerns.

  26. BVBL Reject
    February 29th, 2008 at 11:22 | #26

    That’s id fine. I guess that people can find it if needed. i understand

  27. Juturna
    February 29th, 2008 at 11:36 | #27

    Nice to see someone in PWC supporting the first amendment. Thank you Admin for supporting this important right. You have done the people of PWC a great service through your efforts here reminding us that there are rational, thinking, charitable people living in PWC. I was beginning think that BVBL was larger than it actually is. So glad I bailed. I was ocassionaly blocked or put into “mediation”. That was enough for me. So I quit them first!!! Folks here and those visiting please know that lots of people voluntarily dumped BVBL and HSM. That is important!

  28. BVBL Reject
    February 29th, 2008 at 14:51 | #28

    Mrs Steve Thomas,
    I didn’t force your husband to get in the public eye. he choose too. I won’t post the address again but you should talk with the city of Manassas to remove his address. If you google steve Thomas and Manassas you will find many links. One of them:http://www.manassascity.org/ ( I am ommitting the actual URL so I cannot be seen as someone not following the rules)You can read about his support for Maureen Wood. I am pretty sure that if people want to find his address they will. I am not a private investigator. There are pictures of him too 9assuming he is involved with the Manassas GOP).
    With all my respect Mrs. Thomas, I am not the one organizing “Ops camps”. having your address puiblicly available is almost nothing when you read about what your husband writes about

  29. BVBL Reject
    February 29th, 2008 at 14:56 | #29

    “Please refrain from posting our address on any public forum. I do my best to keep our address private from certain parties due to my employment”
    I just read more about it. So your husband can freely spit hate and don’t be accountable for. Not thinking about the family should be a discussion the two of you need to have.
    In another post in this blog, you can see how Greg justifies slavery and you think that the type of discourse he is getting involved won’t have an effect on his family.
    I think both of them believe in something and they defend it but it comes with consequences. Yor job one of them.

  30. BVBL Reject
    February 29th, 2008 at 15:43 | #30

    I found another nugget Mrs Thomas. Unles your husband is harboring illegal aliens at home, your name is in the city archives too. If you go by the initials CO, then you participated in the same meeting and favored some initiaves there. The address is listed again under that name.
    My advice is not to get involved in public discourse if you want to protect your identity.

  31. Juturna
    February 29th, 2008 at 16:07 | #31

    So where exactly do you work Mrs. Steve Thomas??? Hmmm, maybe we should try to find out. Think I have some ideas on where to start.

    Agree with BVBL Reject, perhaps if your employment is sensitive, it would have been more thoughtful of your husband to take that into consideration before he became the architect of a compound with rolled barbed wire around it….

  32. Steve Thomas
    February 29th, 2008 at 17:36 | #32

    Bvbl Reject and Juturna and anyone else out there in this “We hate Greg” club:

    My wife respectfully asked that you not post our address. That is all. You show a lot of class by making veiled threats regarding her employment. If you were to spend your time digging, you would find that my wife is a state advocate for crime victims. You know, abused wives, molested children, rape victims. Her concern is less for hers or my safety. It is for the victims.

    You anonymous cowards can disagree with my views. That is fine. You can say ridiculous things using images of the holocost about me. You are entitled to express your views. However, you offer little in the way of substance to support your arguments or even your wild assertions.

    One thing that I would never do is threaten someone’s family. For the record, my wife’s initials are not “C.O.”. My wife is not a public figure, and don’t even think for a moment that her post constitutes entry into the public debate.

    I would also warn you that when you threaten a man’s family, you have crossed the line. So I am going to ask you to stop. Say whatever your little twisted minds want to about me. Please leave my family out of this. This is the last time I will ask this.

  33. redawn
    April 7th, 2008 at 20:26 | #33
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